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Post by You're My van der Waal on Dec 19, 2015 23:59:06 GMT -5
Bill Burr sums it up perfectly I hate gold diggers too, but how is this relevant to this situation? How is Nicole a gold digger? How is she at fault for anything that's gone on here? I know you're a Liam fan but don't be thick.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 5:38:16 GMT -5
Well we are talking about an organisation whose first (and more often than not only) fact in most articles is the valuation of a person's residential property. Be it a murder or rape victim, a politician, a house that is used for asylum seekers or someone who has been declared bankrupt then before piling on the misery for them and their families or stirring up some unfounded hate rest assured The Mail will firstly make sure it's readers are aware how much the house in question is worth... As to Liam with that quote if any of it is true then obviously having the same sort of itinerary and luxuries on a Beady Eye tour as an Oasis tour could prove very costly as the same earnings are not there. With a band tour their are common shared costs before the net income is split, and then from each individual's share personal costs such as assistants, bar bills, flight/hotel/any other upgrades, personal purchases, room service, etc. are deducted. It can leave some band members having much lower tour earnings than people might expect, in some extreme cases making little or even owning money from a tour. I don't think the latter is the case with Liam in the Oasis days but if he continued at that level whilst touring with Beady Eye it is possible he ended up without earnings or even out of pocket. Ronnie Lane of The Small Faces/The Faces nearly bankrupted himself in the 1970s when his band Slim Chance embarked on a UK tour replete with a carnival and barkers, which alongside the album it promoted was a commercial flop. His erstwhile band mate Ronnie Wood came off one 1980s Rolling Stones Tour (before becoming a full partner in 1990) having thoroughly enjoyed a luxury lifestyle on the road to the shock of being handed a cheque for around £1,000 for the entire tour having had his expenses deducted! Becoming hooked on a luxury or indulgent lifestyle can easily deplete a fortune, but to be fair to Liam in this case it is hardly as if he or his ex-wife had driven them to a state of bankruptcy. He may well have taken a personal hit from his own income outside of Beady Eye in order to enjoy a good standard of living on the road, but if he did going on the financial disclosures alone it certainly was not to the point where he could no longer sustain himself or his family financially. As to Liam's net worth again I note that The Daily Mail in their article are primarily regurgitating The Times Rich List and quoting Celebrity Net Worth website, which is hardly the most accurate sources or cutting edge of investigative journalism! I do find it amusing how they have (helpfully!) valued each property separately and provided pictures, as well as twisting the judge's words of the couple having lived "a very good lifestyle" to becoming "a rock n' roll lifestyle" under one of the pictures. It's an article I would expect of the Daily Mail, although they are by no means the only media organisation in the UK guilty of declining journalism standards or reporting half truths, pointless facts or rumours.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Dec 20, 2015 7:20:59 GMT -5
Fuck The Mail. The owner is scum, its writers are scum and I always have doubts if I see someone reading it. That and most of the other tabloid press are one of the worst things about this country. Anyway, so now that is out of the way what are we thinking? New Liam record by march?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 7:44:45 GMT -5
Fuck The Mail. The owner is scum, its writers are scum and I always have doubts if I see someone reading it. That and most of the other tabloid press are one of the worst things about this country. Anyway, so now that is out of the way what are we thinking? New Liam record by march? I'm the same with alot of the mainstream newspapers if I am completely honest- I have yet to see any UK newspaper that isn't agenda driven by it's editors and/or proprietors tbh. To answer the more lighter question raised I would assume either a solo record in the works, or if it's a money raiser an Oasis reunion. I would prefer the former just to see Liam go under his own names with his own songs, probably with co-writer(s) given his Oasis output bar Songbird (and Little James depending on Noel's or Liam's version) had uncredited help from his band mates to flesh them out. I would like to see Liam work with someone like Dave Sitek, who has praised his efforts before but is a bit left field to traditional meat and potatoes rock n' roll, or someone of a similar ilk. As to backing band or co-writing positions it would be refreshing for both Liam and the quality of his music IMO to have a clean break from BE/Oasis collaborators (Sitek perhaps aside) and see him give it his best efforts under his own name. At worst he will have a commercial failure and at best a surprise success, but whichever outcome at least he will have put out his project under his own name, and can say that he has matched Noel in that respect as well as perhaps proving wrong those who have completely written him off as a spent force.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Dec 20, 2015 9:09:25 GMT -5
Fuck The Mail. The owner is scum, its writers are scum and I always have doubts if I see someone reading it. That and most of the other tabloid press are one of the worst things about this country. Anyway, so now that is out of the way what are we thinking? New Liam record by march? I'm the same with alot of the mainstream newspapers if I am completely honest- I have yet to see any UK newspaper that isn't agenda driven by it's editors and/or proprietors tbh. To answer the more lighter question raised I would assume either a solo record in the works, or if it's a money raiser an Oasis reunion. I would prefer the former just to see Liam go under his own names with his own songs, probably with co-writer(s) given his Oasis output bar Songbird (and Little James depending on Noel's or Liam's version) had uncredited help from his band mates to flesh them out. I would like to see Liam work with someone like Dave Sitek, who has praised his efforts before but is a bit left field to traditional meat and potatoes rock n' roll, or someone of a similar ilk. As to backing band or co-writing positions it would be refreshing for both Liam and the quality of his music IMO to have a clean break from BE/Oasis collaborators (Sitek perhaps aside) and see him give it his best efforts under his own name. At worst he will have a commercial failure and at best a surprise success, but whichever outcome at least he will have put out his project under his own name, and can say that he has matched Noel in that respect as well as perhaps proving wrong those who have completely written him off as a spent force. Oh of course. There is bias everywhere but at least at the most basic level the broadsheets provide better information. I for example am more likely to read the The Guardian but I do often check the Telegraph's reporting of the same story to try and get some sort of balance along with lots of other sources. There is no balance in the gutter press and seemingly no requirement for the press these day's. I agree with you on Sitek. Liam needs a producer who is also a multi instrumentalist, someone who can not only make it sound right but also have musical imput. Bit like Daniel Lanois for example. I agree with what you said about BE colaborators although I wouldn't mind a bit of playing from Bell and if he's going to get a drummer in it has to be Sharrock. He's ace.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 20, 2015 9:48:54 GMT -5
Bill Burr sums it up perfectly I hate gold diggers too, but how is this relevant to this situation? How is Nicole a gold digger? How is she at fault for anything that's gone on here? I know you're a Liam fan but don't be thick. Nicole's not a gold digger. The other lass (Liza?) was though. Maybe she's wiped him out and that is why he's only got 11 million left.
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Post by leak4ever on Dec 20, 2015 10:34:04 GMT -5
I hate gold diggers too, but how is this relevant to this situation? How is Nicole a gold digger? How is she at fault for anything that's gone on here? I know you're a Liam fan but don't be thick. Nicole's not a gold digger. The other lass (Liza?) was though. Maybe she's wiped him out and that is why he's only got 11 million left. Is it even clear that the 11 million we're talking about is just Liam's fortune and not the combined assets of Liam and Nicole?
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Post by glider on Dec 20, 2015 10:41:32 GMT -5
Who cares? Liam get back to music again.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 11:01:43 GMT -5
I hate gold diggers too, but how is this relevant to this situation? How is Nicole a gold digger? How is she at fault for anything that's gone on here? I know you're a Liam fan but don't be thick. Nicole's not a gold digger. The other lass (Liza?) was though. Maybe she's wiped him out and that is why he's only got 11 million left. Lisa Moorish you mean? She was a solo singer and fronted Kill City with little success commercially. She has a daughter Molly by Liam who was born in 1998 and a son by Pete Doherty born 2003. IIRC she sang backing vocals on the Warchild version of Help.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 20, 2015 11:06:01 GMT -5
Nicole's not a gold digger. The other lass (Liza?) was though. Maybe she's wiped him out and that is why he's only got 11 million left. Lisa Moorish you mean? She was a solo singer and fronted Kill City with little success commercially. She has a daughter Molly by Liam who was born in 1998 and a son by Pete Doherty born 2003. IIRC she sang backing vocals on the Warchild version of Help. No, Liza Ghorbani, the American (?) journalist Liam cheated with on Nicole a few years ago, who has a daughter by him named Gemma. Although Lisa Moorish doesn't appear to be the brightest crayon in the box either.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 20, 2015 11:07:39 GMT -5
Nicole's not a gold digger. The other lass (Liza?) was though. Maybe she's wiped him out and that is why he's only got 11 million left. Lisa Moorish you mean? She was a solo singer and fronted Kill City with little success commercially. She has a daughter Molly by Liam who was born in 1998 and a son by Pete Doherty born 2003. IIRC she sang backing vocals on the Warchild version of Help. No. The journalist he had his 'lovechild' with the other year, I think her name was Liza Ghorbani or something. They went to court over child support fees; Liam offered her what she originally wanted, and then she hiked up her demands when she knew she could get more. Liam didn't bother going to a load of court hearings after that, dragging it out for ages, no doubt to piss the other party off so that they'd just accept his original offer and get it over and done with. It worked in the end I think, but it did cost him dearly as well, when the judge decided he/she had had enough and started fining him for his lack of attendance.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 11:13:57 GMT -5
Lisa Moorish you mean? She was a solo singer and fronted Kill City with little success commercially. She has a daughter Molly by Liam who was born in 1998 and a son by Pete Doherty born 2003. IIRC she sang backing vocals on the Warchild version of Help. No. The journalist he had his 'lovechild' with the other year, I think her name was Liza Ghorbani or something. They went to court over child support fees; Liam offered her what she originally wanted, and then she hiked up her demands when she knew she could get more. Liam didn't bother going to a load of court hearings after that, dragging it out for ages, no doubt to piss the other party off so that they'd just accept his original offer and get it over and done with. It worked in the end I think, but it did cost him dearly as well, when the judge decided he/she had had enough and started fining him for his lack of attendance. Ah yes forgot about her- IIRC NY State can only enforce those fines if he turns up there, though since he likes NY he probably paid out- could be wrong on that it's been a few years. Had a look in legal notes and a couple of celebrity sources are quoting it as being worth £40,136.00 ($60,000) per annum without a lump sum, so alot less than the circa $3,000,000 she was suing for. She may be a gold digger or not, I don't know the woman, but equally Liam like all men in these sort of circumstances should learn to bag it up or not get it out in the first place as well.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 11:14:32 GMT -5
Lisa Moorish you mean? She was a solo singer and fronted Kill City with little success commercially. She has a daughter Molly by Liam who was born in 1998 and a son by Pete Doherty born 2003. IIRC she sang backing vocals on the Warchild version of Help. No, Liza Ghorbani, the American (?) journalist Liam cheated with on Nicole a few years ago, who has a daughter by him named Gemma. Although Lisa Moorish doesn't appear to be the brightest crayon in the box either. Ah right, thanks
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 11:17:00 GMT -5
No, Liza Ghorbani, the American (?) journalist Liam cheated with on Nicole a few years ago, who has a daughter by him named Gemma. Although Lisa Moorish doesn't appear to be the brightest crayon in the box either. Ah right, thanks She probably isn't, but I still hold men and women equally responsible in these situations. Having said that child maintenance should be exactly that, and not for enhancing the personal lifestyle of the other party, which I have seen in some cases.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 20, 2015 11:22:36 GMT -5
Ah right, thanks She probably isn't, but I still hold men and women equally responsible in these situations. Having said that child maintenance should be exactly that, and not for enhancing the personal lifestyle of the other party, which I have seen in some cases. Yeah, just wanted to type that as well. Both parties have something to say about it and both have multiple options not to get (the other one) pregnant. They both knew the risks. Getting yourself pregnant in order to secure a nice lifestyle for yourself is one of the most selfish and stupidest things to do imo.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 11:26:28 GMT -5
Yeah, just wanted to type that as well. Both parties have something to say about it and both have multiple options not to get (the other one) pregnant. They both knew the risks. Getting yourself pregnant in order to secure a nice lifestyle for yourself is one of the most selfish and stupidest things to do imo. And as Ms Ghorbani has discovered it doesn't always pay off either- according to the court documents her daughter has speech problems and is displaying signs of learning difficulties, which I have experience of with my niece. It can be hard work and require professional educational help, and the final settlement makes her initial claim for millions of dollars with a bodyguard and doorman seem a very poor greed driven affair.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 20, 2015 11:30:08 GMT -5
Yeah, just wanted to type that as well. Both parties have something to say about it and both have multiple options not to get (the other one) pregnant. They both knew the risks. Getting yourself pregnant in order to secure a nice lifestyle for yourself is one of the most selfish and stupidest things to do imo. And as Ms Ghorbani has discovered it doesn't always pay off either- according to the court documents her daughter has speech problems and is displaying signs of learning difficulties, which I have experience of with my niece. It can be hard work and require professional educational help, and the final settlement makes her initial claim for millions of dollars with a bodyguard and doorman seem a very poor greed driven affair. I know, it's quite expensive and such a hassle to get professional help, whether your kid has educational problems, speech problems or even autism. A bodyguard and doorman??!!! What'd she need those for? She's clearly delusional.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 11:46:07 GMT -5
Nicole's not a gold digger. The other lass (Liza?) was though. Maybe she's wiped him out and that is why he's only got 11 million left. Is it even clear that the 11 million we're talking about is just Liam's fortune and not the combined assets of Liam and Nicole? Legally after this ruling it is a joint fortune comprising their combined assets, which is how a judge came to a 50/50 split after legal costs. This does not prove who contributed what over the course of the marriage, but rather defines the law's view on the assets in this particular union.
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 20, 2015 11:49:10 GMT -5
Yeah, just wanted to type that as well. Both parties have something to say about it and both have multiple options not to get (the other one) pregnant. They both knew the risks. Getting yourself pregnant in order to secure a nice lifestyle for yourself is one of the most selfish and stupidest things to do imo. And as Ms Ghorbani has discovered it doesn't always pay off either- according to the court documents her daughter has speech problems and is displaying signs of learning difficulties, which I have experience of with my niece. It can be hard work and require professional educational help, and the final settlement makes her initial claim for millions of dollars with a bodyguard and doorman seem a very poor greed driven affair. I'm sure those difficulties were portrayed in a way that it was caused by liam not being around etc? Idk i cant remember but sure at time it just seemed like it was just another way for her to try and get more money .. (along with the bodyguard etc she wanted) Obv cant really remember tho
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Post by andymorris on Dec 20, 2015 11:49:31 GMT -5
Considering Noel had 50 millions in early 2000s, Liam being the big spender he is (and i include spending his semen in every women on earth), i'm even surprised he has 11 millions left. Loads of Oasis Compilations to come in the near future then
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 20, 2015 11:51:27 GMT -5
Bill Burr sums it up perfectly I hate gold diggers too, but how is this relevant to this situation? How is Nicole a gold digger? How is she at fault for anything that's gone on here? I know you're a Liam fan but don't be thick. Point is i dont like that in any case you split the money after the divorce. I just dont know why that would be a good thing. Its not about liam. Same goes with Heather Mills. She wanted half of pauls money even though he offered her a fair check. Why in the world would she get that. Thats insane
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 11:56:20 GMT -5
And as Ms Ghorbani has discovered it doesn't always pay off either- according to the court documents her daughter has speech problems and is displaying signs of learning difficulties, which I have experience of with my niece. It can be hard work and require professional educational help, and the final settlement makes her initial claim for millions of dollars with a bodyguard and doorman seem a very poor greed driven affair. I'm sure those difficulties were portrayed in a way that it was caused by liam not being around etc? Idk i cant remember but sure at time it just seemed like it was just another way for her to try and get more money .. (along with the bodyguard etc she wanted) Obv cant really remember tho It was given as causing Liza emotional distress with Liam's absence and not wanting to see his daughter. I've done some expensive but not high profile divorces as an accountant, and unfortunately like the solicitors involved you have to professionally speaking be quite cold (amoral has been used as a description before) in order to secure the best settlement for the party paying your fees, even if you don't always agree personally with your client's claims. I'm not saying it's right but that unfortunately is the way of the civil judicial system, and in it's defence it at least treats all parties on equal standing before evidence is presented, unlike some religious and secular courts used in other parts of the world.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 11:59:47 GMT -5
I hate gold diggers too, but how is this relevant to this situation? How is Nicole a gold digger? How is she at fault for anything that's gone on here? I know you're a Liam fan but don't be thick. Point is i dont like that in any case you split the money after the divorce. I just dont know why that would be a good thing. Its not about liam. Same goes with Heather Mills. She wanted half of pauls money even though he offered her a fair check. Why in the world would she get that. Thats insane In fairness most women (and men when divorcing a wealthy woman) by and large don't actually get 50%. The claim is made for a number of reasons, including being offered a derisory settlement initially or trying to up the amount whilst knowing full well it won't be the full amount for which you have made the claim. The higher settlements in the UK at least take into account length of marriage, children, spouse behaviour as defined by reasons for granting a divorce petition, and confidential details such as how if at all the spouse assisted in the generation and maintenance of such fortunes, which as it is confidential cannot be disclosed after a court ruling. The other side as well is that only two people know what goes on in a marriage, and only two people truly know why it breaks down. I accept we hear bits and pieces in the media, just like we do personally when friends or family break up, but the full depth of actions, feelings and the outcome is only known IMO to the married couple themselves.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Dec 20, 2015 14:54:20 GMT -5
The reason this went to another court was because Nicole was unhappy with what Liam was declaring and i think they still are. I find it hard to believe he "only" has 11m worth of assets.
But i also fail to see why in this day and age that we have to give half of all we have to the ex, no matter what the circumstances. I am all for being able to support the kids you have a responsibility for etc but this is too far.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 15:03:39 GMT -5
The reason this went to another court was because Nicole was unhappy with what Liam was declaring and i think they still are. I find it hard to believe he "only" has 11m worth of assets. But i also fail to see why in this day and age that we have to give half of all we have to the ex, no matter what the circumstances. I am all for being able to support the kids you have a responsibility for etc but this is too far. I don't based on his potential earnings from his Oasis and Pretty Green stake minus spending, and given that any "rich lists" invariably overvalue earnings and wealth- besides legally if he has hidden or not disclosed assets and her legal team uncover them they can apply for a cut or even to take possession of the undisclosed assets. The 50/50 is based on alot of circumstances as I previously posted. I haven't been married (no surprise there ) but have assisted financial requests from divorces enough to see the bitter side of it, as well as there being many sides to a marriage story, financial, emotional and outside.
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