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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 3, 2015 13:02:02 GMT -5
^ THAT is the best post in this thread, carlober . It makes sense and you get to maintain an opinion without having to be afraid to offend anyone.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 3, 2015 15:42:42 GMT -5
You are equating quality with sales? There are enough examples to the contrary which put into doubt your 'facts'. Quality V Sales? It's the fact that the BE albums aside from a few decent tunes were poor, be it the songs from Bell, Archer or LGx. In terms of public perception, LG has pretty much ruined his own public image by fathering kids he doesn't want to know etc,its hard to defend him given his actions. He's not a kid anymore either, he's a 40odd year old man. Is Noel a vagina to fans? probably at times, but he certainly in general comes off as being way more intelligent and a family man compared to LGx which people like him for. You do understand that because something sells a lot it doesn't mean its good and vice versa? They do meet sometimes of course but had Beady Eye done something more commercially viable doesn't mean it would have translated to big sales. A group of men in there 40's in a changed musical landscape were never going pull up many tree's whether they were in Oasis or not. I don't know why you are telling me about a man we both don't know. I'm not trying to defend him, he can be a dick and he can also be kind and generous like a lot of people. I've said it before, I find it hard to believe that the people here so quick to judge him are whiter than white but then a lot of the people here probably judge Liam by a different set of standards than they judge themselves.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 3, 2015 15:46:32 GMT -5
When I get in to a conversation with people about the Gallagher's it 9/10 goes something like this People: Which one do you prefer? Me: I'm more of a Liam fan myself People: He's the one that's a dick isn't he? Me: Sigh Noel has been as big of an idiot as Liam has since the split but because Noel is all witty with it and knows how to play the press he always comes out looking the best. I wish people saw how Liam is with his fans, one of the most down to earth celebrities you could meet. When I got a chance to meet him that night, he kept on coming to me asking if I was alright and making a fuss, what other celebrity would care what some competition winner is up to when he's on the piss with all his best mates? Try to put yourself into the mind of a casual listener: what does he know about Oasis, Liam and Noel? He probably knows that Noel wrote most of the tunes while Liam sang on most of them. And he probably knows that the two brothers split after a big fight in 2009. He might think that they were both huge dickheads in the 90s, but if he reads tabloids (fuck them, toilet paper is more worthy) he might also know that while Noel has been making music and has set himself in a normal family, Liam's musical project has failed and in recent years too many pages have been written about his fucked-up private life. This casual listener has probably heard many times a couple of HFB hits on TV (adverts, football, etc), but has heard of a band called Beady Eye only when they split. Judging by these facts (however manipulated and maybe distorted by the media), which are probably 90% of what he knows about the Gallaghers, what could he think of Noel and Liam? I guess that he could say that "Liam's the one that's a dick" and he may even like Noel a little bit. The truth might be different, but he doesn't know enough... I agree with that. Although I would say what has been distorted by the media has been largely aimed at Liam. They embrace Noel and he courts it where Liam has never seemed that bothered about playing the game. In saying that, your conclusion is spot on. Its sad in this country that so many use the tabloids as there source of information.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 3, 2015 16:04:20 GMT -5
Try to put yourself into the mind of a casual listener: what does he know about Oasis, Liam and Noel? He probably knows that Noel wrote most of the tunes while Liam sang on most of them. And he probably knows that the two brothers split after a big fight in 2009. He might think that they were both huge dickheads in the 90s, but if he reads tabloids (fuck them, toilet paper is more worthy) he might also know that while Noel has been making music and has set himself in a normal family, Liam's musical project has failed and in recent years too many pages have been written about his fucked-up private life. This casual listener has probably heard many times a couple of HFB hits on TV (adverts, football, etc), but has heard of a band called Beady Eye only when they split. Judging by these facts (however manipulated and maybe distorted by the media), which are probably 90% of what he knows about the Gallaghers, what could he think of Noel and Liam? I guess that he could say that "Liam's the one that's a dick" and he may even like Noel a little bit. The truth might be different, but he doesn't know enough... I agree with that. Although I would say what has been distorted by the media has been largely aimed at Liam. They embrace Noel and he courts it where Liam has never seemed that bothered about playing the game. In saying that, your conclusion is spot on. Its sad in this country that so many use the tabloids as there source of information. this is completely of topic as such but I'm not sure how much that casual influence is carrying anymore. Both DGSS and HFB did well being Gallagher 'debut' releases obv HFB bird did really Round 2 saw a massive drop off BE ended up about a 1/3rd of sales of DGSS and right now CY looking like the same 1/3rd fate (obv a higher level) Im sure once xmas kicks in and CY in the bargain bin / sales it'll grow legs but HFB lowered price took it form 4-500k to 800k where this cycle puts it him at getting platinum. Im sure album sales aren't the same (which same is true from DGSS to BE ) but there are artist out there smashing million, 2 million and in xmas time probably 3 million. Noel has lost at lot of causal fans this cycle. I just hope that this pushes noel to try something different instead of regressing even more to what he thinks the oasis fan base want.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 3, 2015 17:31:09 GMT -5
I agree with that. Although I would say what has been distorted by the media has been largely aimed at Liam. They embrace Noel and he courts it where Liam has never seemed that bothered about playing the game. In saying that, your conclusion is spot on. Its sad in this country that so many use the tabloids as there source of information. this is completely of topic as such but I'm not sure how much that casual influence is carrying anymore. Both DGSS and HFB did well being Gallagher 'debut' releases obv HFB bird did really Round 2 saw a massive drop off BE ended up about a 1/3rd of sales of DGSS and right now CY looking like the same 1/3rd fate (obv a higher level) Im sure once xmas kicks in and CY in the bargain bin / sales it'll grow legs but HFB lowered price took it form 4-500k to 800k where this cycle puts it him at getting platinum. Im sure album sales aren't the same (which same is true from DGSS to BE ) but there are artist out there smashing million, 2 million and in xmas time probably 3 million. Noel has lost at lot of causal fans this cycle. I just hope that this pushes noel to try something different instead of regressing even more to what he thinks the oasis fan base want. Yeah but the people smashing millions are Ed Sheeran,George Ezra,Sam Smith and basically that's it...honestly,thanks God Noel doesn't attract that kind of fanbase (and I'm saying that as a George Ezra fan myself)
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Post by Flying Potato on Aug 3, 2015 17:37:20 GMT -5
When I get in to a conversation with people about the Gallagher's it 9/10 goes something like this People: Which one do you prefer? Me: I'm more of a Liam fan myself People: He's the one that's a dick isn't he? Me: Sigh Noel has been as big of an idiot as Liam has since the split but because Noel is all witty with it and knows how to play the press he always comes out looking the best. I wish people saw how Liam is with his fans, one of the most down to earth celebrities you could meet. When I got a chance to meet him that night, he kept on coming to me asking if I was alright and making a fuss, what other celebrity would care what some competition winner is up to when he's on the piss with all his best mates? Try to put yourself into the mind of a casual listener: what does he know about Oasis, Liam and Noel? He probably knows that Noel wrote most of the tunes while Liam sang on most of them. And he probably knows that the two brothers split after a big fight in 2009. He might think that they were both huge dickheads in the 90s, but if he reads tabloids (fuck them, toilet paper is more worthy) he might also know that while Noel has been making music and has set himself in a normal family, Liam's musical project has failed and in recent years too many pages have been written about his fucked-up private life. This casual listener has probably heard many times a couple of HFB hits on TV (adverts, football, etc), but has heard of a band called Beady Eye only when they split. Judging by these facts (however manipulated and maybe distorted by the media), which are probably 90% of what he knows about the Gallaghers, what could he think of Noel and Liam? I guess that he could say that "Liam's the one that's a dick" and he may even like Noel a little bit. The truth might be different, but he doesn't know enough... Actually most people I meet don't even know there were brothers in Oasis let alone who wrote the songs and who sang them
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 3, 2015 17:38:37 GMT -5
I saw footage of George Ezra at Pinkpop when that was on and My God, was he boring or what.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 3, 2015 17:39:31 GMT -5
I saw footage of George Ezra at Pinkpop when that was on and My God, was he boring or what.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 3, 2015 17:50:18 GMT -5
this is completely of topic as such but I'm not sure how much that casual influence is carrying anymore. Both DGSS and HFB did well being Gallagher 'debut' releases obv HFB bird did really Round 2 saw a massive drop off BE ended up about a 1/3rd of sales of DGSS and right now CY looking like the same 1/3rd fate (obv a higher level) Im sure once xmas kicks in and CY in the bargain bin / sales it'll grow legs but HFB lowered price took it form 4-500k to 800k where this cycle puts it him at getting platinum. Im sure album sales aren't the same (which same is true from DGSS to BE ) but there are artist out there smashing million, 2 million and in xmas time probably 3 million. Noel has lost at lot of causal fans this cycle. I just hope that this pushes noel to try something different instead of regressing even more to what he thinks the oasis fan base want. Yeah but the people smashing millions are Ed Sheeran,George Ezra,Sam Smith and basically that's it...honestly,thanks God Noel doesn't attract that kind of fanbase (and I'm saying that as a George Ezra fan myself) I dont understand the point? can you explain whats wrong with that sort of fanbase?
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 3, 2015 17:52:09 GMT -5
I saw footage of George Ezra at Pinkpop when that was on and My God, was he boring or what. I'm sure that the fact the mystical festival season a lot people here said would do well for noel tho did nothing for his sales so a lot of people thought the same for him? different people have different opinions on what they think is good / relevant music?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 3, 2015 17:52:30 GMT -5
Yeah but the people smashing millions are Ed Sheeran,George Ezra,Sam Smith and basically that's it...honestly,thanks God Noel doesn't attract that kind of fanbase (and I'm saying that as a George Ezra fan myself) I dont understand the point? can you explain whats wrong with that sort of fanbase? That I hate casuals.
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 3, 2015 18:00:03 GMT -5
I dont understand the point? can you explain whats wrong with that sort of fanbase? That I hate casuals. Ok I'm sure their million of fans are casuals. Not sure how you come to that conclusion Sheeran selling millions and selling out wembley but I'm sure he doesnt have anything but casual fanbase. Sam smith the biggest selling artist both sides of atlantic but again must just be casuals cos you don't like their music
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 3, 2015 18:03:52 GMT -5
Ok I'm sure their million of fans are casuals. Not sure how you come to that conclusion Sheeran selling millions and selling out wembley but I'm sure he doesnt have anything but casual fanbase. Sam smith the biggest selling artist both sides of atlantic but again must just be casuals cos you don't like their music I never said all their fans are casuals And even if I did (I didn't),I put Ezra in there as well and I'm a fan of his music,so obviously that's not the reason...
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 3, 2015 18:10:05 GMT -5
Ok I'm sure their million of fans are casuals. Not sure how you come to that conclusion Sheeran selling millions and selling out wembley but I'm sure he doesnt have anything but casual fanbase. Sam smith the biggest selling artist both sides of atlantic but again must just be casuals cos you don't like their music I never said all their fans are casuals And even if I did (I didn't),I put Ezra in there as well and I'm a fan of his music,so obviously that's not the reason... sorry you said you hate casuals when i asked what was wrong with their fan base? Noel has a lot of casual fans so i go back to my point I'm not sure what your hating in reference to them
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 3, 2015 18:20:55 GMT -5
I never said all their fans are casuals And even if I did (I didn't),I put Ezra in there as well and I'm a fan of his music,so obviously that's not the reason... sorry you said you hate casuals when i asked what was wrong with their fan base? Noel has a lot of casual fans so i go back to my point I'm not sure what your hating in reference to them Yes I hate casuals and they've got loads in their fanbase,that doesn't mean they don't have dedicated fans 'cause they obviously do,especially Ed Sheeran YOU said Noel's lost casual fans during this album cycle,and well if he's still able to get to platinum and get good sales even if they're lower than the previous record I'm more than happy with that (he probably isn't though ) What I also meant with my first post is that the drop in sales is normal and was expected (this cycle is far from over btw),as there's very few people who are able to shift millions nowadays
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Aug 3, 2015 18:23:00 GMT -5
sorry you said you hate casuals when i asked what was wrong with their fan base? Noel has a lot of casual fans so i go back to my point I'm not sure what your hating in reference to them Yes I hate casuals and they've got loads in their fanbase,that doesn't mean they don't have dedicated fans 'cause they obviously do,especially Ed Sheeran YOU said Noel's lost casual fans during this album cycle,and well if he's still able to get to platinum and get good sales even if they're lower than the previous record I'm more than happy with that (he probably isn't though ) What I also meant with my first post is that the drop in sales is normal and was expected (this cycle is far from over btw),as there's very few people who are able to shift millions nowadays Also, my hair looks really cute today... God bless.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 3, 2015 18:24:21 GMT -5
Yes I hate casuals and they've got loads in their fanbase,that doesn't mean they don't have dedicated fans 'cause they obviously do,especially Ed Sheeran YOU said Noel's lost casual fans during this album cycle,and well if he's still able to get to platinum and get good sales even if they're lower than the previous record I'm more than happy with that (he probably isn't though ) What I also meant with my first post is that the drop in sales is normal and was expected (this cycle is far from over btw),as there's very few people who are able to shift millions nowadays Also, my hair looks really cute today... God bless. Lucky you,mine looks shit
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 3, 2015 18:38:24 GMT -5
sorry you said you hate casuals when i asked what was wrong with their fan base? Noel has a lot of casual fans so i go back to my point I'm not sure what your hating in reference to them Yes I hate casuals and they've got loads in their fanbase,that doesn't mean they don't have dedicated fans 'cause they obviously do,especially Ed Sheeran YOU said Noel's lost casual fans during this album cycle,and well if he's still able to get to platinum and get good sales even if they're lower than the previous record I'm more than happy with that (he probably isn't though ) What I also meant with my first post is that the drop in sales is normal and was expected (this cycle is far from over btw),as there's very few people who are able to shift millions nowadays i know i said that cos he's realistically gonna sell 350K max this cycle (as sitting on 225-230K max for the golden first 6 month period) vs last cycle of 850k? to date. So he's either lost 1/2miilion fans or 1/2 million casuals? what do YOU think is the answer to that one? I know a drop was expected but this is a huge drop. I know theres few people who shift that many and thats even more impressive in todays climate. The point is popular artist can and do it (thats no slight on noel), tho not many artist 'back in the day' could do it either tbh. Noel's still got lots of casuals in his fan base, i've been to more than enough of his gigs to experience this first hand. I still dont understand why you would hate casual fans for artist (expect ezra) that you don't like?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 4, 2015 3:27:03 GMT -5
Yes I hate casuals and they've got loads in their fanbase,that doesn't mean they don't have dedicated fans 'cause they obviously do,especially Ed Sheeran YOU said Noel's lost casual fans during this album cycle,and well if he's still able to get to platinum and get good sales even if they're lower than the previous record I'm more than happy with that (he probably isn't though ) What I also meant with my first post is that the drop in sales is normal and was expected (this cycle is far from over btw),as there's very few people who are able to shift millions nowadays i know i said that cos he's realistically gonna sell 350K max this cycle (as sitting on 225-230K max for the golden first 6 month period) vs last cycle of 850k? to date. So he's either lost 1/2miilion fans or 1/2 million casuals? what do YOU think is the answer to that one? I know a drop was expected but this is a huge drop. I know theres few people who shift that many and thats even more impressive in todays climate. The point is popular artist can and do it (thats no slight on noel), tho not many artist 'back in the day' could do it either tbh. Noel's still got lots of casuals in his fan base, i've been to more than enough of his gigs to experience this first hand. I still dont understand why you would hate casual fans for artist (expect ezra) that you don't like? No I hate casual fans in general
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Post by shinealight on Aug 4, 2015 4:44:52 GMT -5
Just imagine yourself being in the local, going to toilet and there's Liam with his sausage And if u start to sing Songbird what would he do? No one gives a shit about the sales anymore No fighting this Liam vs Noel. The truth is when they were in Oasis I ' d share my gf withe them but not anymore... just joking
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 4, 2015 4:48:51 GMT -5
i know i said that cos he's realistically gonna sell 350K max this cycle (as sitting on 225-230K max for the golden first 6 month period) vs last cycle of 850k? to date. So he's either lost 1/2miilion fans or 1/2 million casuals? what do YOU think is the answer to that one? I know a drop was expected but this is a huge drop. I know theres few people who shift that many and thats even more impressive in todays climate. The point is popular artist can and do it (thats no slight on noel), tho not many artist 'back in the day' could do it either tbh. Noel's still got lots of casuals in his fan base, i've been to more than enough of his gigs to experience this first hand. I still dont understand why you would hate casual fans for artist (expect ezra) that you don't like? No I hate casual fans in general ha, ii see. It all makes sence now
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Post by underneaththesky on Aug 4, 2015 7:06:49 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS - Music INDUSTRY is DYING.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 4, 2015 7:24:45 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS - Music INDUSTRY is DYING.
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Post by underneaththesky on Aug 4, 2015 7:39:03 GMT -5
fuck man, this sounds like Plastic Ono Band.. Bowie was already fucking FINISHED. Lennon wanna be! God is a concept, yeah? what a surprise!
(thanks man, song of the day for me!)
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 4, 2015 7:51:13 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS - Music INDUSTRY is DYING. Its been dying since the 90's but 15/40 of the best selling albums ever were released in the 00's Just puts the likes of Ed Sheeran et all sales in perspective shifting that many albums in today's declining market.
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