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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 3, 2015 18:32:38 GMT -5
People are surprised at how shite Chelsea have been. Remember, though, that they were diabolical for the second half of last season but got lucky with cobbling results together. This is no different to how poorly they were playing last season, the only difference is that their luck has run out.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 4, 2015 10:20:20 GMT -5
I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I''M WATCHING AT THE EMIRATES. UP THE ARSENAL!!!! WOW!!
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Post by Manualex on Oct 4, 2015 11:41:55 GMT -5
I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I''M WATCHING AT THE EMIRATES. UP THE ARSENAL!!!! WOW!! we all know youbwill lose with Munich so enjoy the moment.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 4, 2015 12:43:03 GMT -5
Rodgers sacked, innit.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2015 19:45:19 GMT -5
Looks like Klopp will be the next Liverpool manager, media sources are pretty much certain it's already been decided. Massive coup for them, I'm surprised they didn't try and get Alan Pardew.... Shame about Rodgers, nice guy, always liked him even at Swansea and for a British coach he actually looked like something decent in there. But really damning, I always thought he would succeed Wenger at Arsenal. Plus he's a mad bastard and uber charismatic too, would have loved to see him on the touch line at Emirates but mainly because Wenger has set everything up nicely for him and I really think he would succeed under the structure at Arsenal. But after today's results, I suppose all the WengerOut brigade have been left silent - best result and performance against Man Utd for literally years.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2015 8:49:14 GMT -5
Great to see us owning Chelsea. Looks like we could have a reasonably good season even after losing another group of important players.
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Post by matt on Oct 5, 2015 12:53:39 GMT -5
Great to see us owning Chelsea. Looks like we could have a reasonably good season even after losing another group of important players. You Southampton? Love them - I think they're everyone's second team. The way they run the club, the way they play football. shrewd signings and top class academy products, is the way every club should be run. Mourinho could learn a thing or two from the entire club after that performance...
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2015 13:20:18 GMT -5
Great to see us owning Chelsea. Looks like we could have a reasonably good season even after losing another group of important players. You Southampton? Love them - I think they're everyone's second team. The way they run the club, the way they play football. shrewd signings and top class academy products, is the way every club should be run. Mourinho could learn a thing or two from the entire club after that performance... Yes mate, my Dad is as soon as he showed Matt le Tissier as kid I was sold. Sadly as a child I thought Le Tiss would play forever haha. I thought this would be the year we had a dodgy year because you simply can't keep losing the players we have and carry on doing well but the signs are for this year look ok so far. Been listening to a lot of Liverpool fans going on all day about being a big club again. I don't think they realise that unless you can put in say 75 million per year for say 10 years then it just won't break the top 4. Those days are gone. The rest of us simply have to hope that our teams can get into the Europa league and play some attractive football week in week out.
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Post by RocketMan on Oct 5, 2015 15:15:52 GMT -5
If Klopp is going to liverpool, they'll definitely compete for the Top in the next years if theyll give him time. As a dortmund fan i can say that he will bring a style of football to the premier league that will make the whole league better in terms of football same as he did with the bundesliga and especially bayern, because i asure you - without dortmunds two championsship titles and the 5-2 in the cup final bayern wouldnt have been where they are today. Klopp pushed the aggressive counterattack football to the limit, and this kind of play is not very common in your league.
He made dortmund great again, gave us after very hard years a new identity, he is a perfect match for liverpool.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2015 16:40:58 GMT -5
If Klopp is going to liverpool, they'll definitely compete for the Top in the next years if theyll give him time. As a dortmund fan i can say that he will bring a style of football to the premier league that will make the whole league better in terms of football same as he did with the bundesliga and especially bayern, because i asure you - without dortmunds two championsship titles and the 5-2 in the cup final bayern wouldnt have been where they are today. Klopp pushed the aggressive counterattack football to the limit, and this kind of play is not very common in your league. He made dortmund great again, gave us after very hard years a new identity, he is a perfect match for liverpool. He'll need a hell of a lot of money to. If he doesn't get it they'll have no chance no matter the manager.
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Post by asimarx on Oct 5, 2015 16:59:46 GMT -5
If Klopp is going to liverpool, they'll definitely compete for the Top in the next years if theyll give him time. As a dortmund fan i can say that he will bring a style of football to the premier league that will make the whole league better in terms of football same as he did with the bundesliga and especially bayern, because i asure you - without dortmunds two championsship titles and the 5-2 in the cup final bayern wouldnt have been where they are today. Klopp pushed the aggressive counterattack football to the limit, and this kind of play is not very common in your league. He made dortmund great again, gave us after very hard years a new identity, he is a perfect match for liverpool. He'll need a hell of a lot of money to. If he doesn't get it they'll have no chance no matter the manager. The money thing is the big misunderstanding. Klopp got Dortmund two Bundesliga titles and almost won the Champions League with the budget (is that even an english word? I'm meaning the money that's available to the club within a season) that is reasonably comparable to what a normal League One club can offer nowadays with the new TV contract. The amount of money that is being paid for mediocre players right now in England is just ridiculous. Klopp never needed big amounts of money to have success. And he's produced some great, great players too. Who's world champion, by the way?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 5, 2015 17:18:06 GMT -5
Wonder the money on Rodgers being next for Chelsea?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2015 18:23:16 GMT -5
He'll need a hell of a lot of money to. If he doesn't get it they'll have no chance no matter the manager. The money thing is the big misunderstanding. Klopp got Dortmund two Bundesliga titles and almost won the Champions League with the budget (is that even an english word? I'm meaning the money that's available to the club within a season) that is reasonably comparable to what a normal League One club can offer nowadays with the new TV contract. The amount of money that is being paid for mediocre players right now in England is just ridiculous. Klopp never needed big amounts of money to have success. And he's produced some great, great players too. Who's world champion, by the way? I'm not saying Klopp isn't good, I rate him highly and I'm not saying he can't produce players. But the within the top 4 here each year there is going to be 3 of Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea with the odd different one thrown in. If you can't give the money to buy big players and then have the success and money to keep them then it just won't work in England. Having the power to spend big money year on year without crippling a club financially means you have a very good chance of winning. Sometimes a team just comes together as Rodgers had with Sturidge, Sterling and Suarez but its the exception rather than the rule and Liverpool can't hang on to those players.
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Post by RocketMan on Oct 6, 2015 5:24:05 GMT -5
The money thing is the big misunderstanding. Klopp got Dortmund two Bundesliga titles and almost won the Champions League with the budget (is that even an english word? I'm meaning the money that's available to the club within a season) that is reasonably comparable to what a normal League One club can offer nowadays with the new TV contract. The amount of money that is being paid for mediocre players right now in England is just ridiculous. Klopp never needed big amounts of money to have success. And he's produced some great, great players too. Who's world champion, by the way? I'm not saying Klopp isn't good, I rate him highly and I'm not saying he can't produce players. But the within the top 4 here each year there is going to be 3 of Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea with the odd different one thrown in. If you can't give the money to buy big players and then have the success and money to keep them then it just won't work in England. Having the power to spend big money year on year without crippling a club financially means you have a very good chance of winning. Sometimes a team just comes together as Rodgers had with Sturidge, Sterling and Suarez but its the exception rather than the rule and Liverpool can't hang on to those players. Well but thats not the main problem. You guys spend so much money to buy players that you almost forget to create a team. Klopp doesn't need a bunch of world class players he only needs players to fit his system, if he makes it work he will go after the top, no doubt. He can make players better, he won the bundesliga with the youngest team in history. Lewandowski, götze, kagawa, hummels, gündogan or sahin all players he brought to the highest level.
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Post by matt on Oct 6, 2015 11:23:01 GMT -5
The money thing is the big misunderstanding. Klopp got Dortmund two Bundesliga titles and almost won the Champions League with the budget (is that even an english word? I'm meaning the money that's available to the club within a season) that is reasonably comparable to what a normal League One club can offer nowadays with the new TV contract. The amount of money that is being paid for mediocre players right now in England is just ridiculous. Klopp never needed big amounts of money to have success. And he's produced some great, great players too. Who's world champion, by the way? I'm not saying Klopp isn't good, I rate him highly and I'm not saying he can't produce players. But the within the top 4 here each year there is going to be 3 of Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea with the odd different one thrown in. If you can't give the money to buy big players and then have the success and money to keep them then it just won't work in England. Having the power to spend big money year on year without crippling a club financially means you have a very good chance of winning. Sometimes a team just comes together as Rodgers had with Sturidge, Sterling and Suarez but its the exception rather than the rule and Liverpool can't hang on to those players. It's an interesting one. I've always wondered whether it is possible to 'beat the system' in the Premier League - e.g. jumping other clubs that have higher wage and transfer budgets. Statistically, clubs that have say, the fifth highest wage bill or whatever usually do end up finishing fifth, so for all the crisis or whatever at Liverpool, there is a strong argument that Rodgers - despite all the social media pisstaking about him - was actually performing par to those figures. Simply because higher wage bills means paying better players with better money, and despite paying obscene amounts of money to the likes of Lovren, Markovic, etc, their relatively low wages dictate the quality of player they are and, financially in the long term, recoup the transfer fee spent because Liverpool don't pay high wages. It is obvious why Liverpool are - most likely - getting Klopp because even though they are rich, they are not nearly as rich as the top four clubs and the owners have obviously taken note of Klopp's ability to beat the system in Germany - I think he won two Bundeliga's with a net spend of £0!! In fact, the American model's entire model was based on Dortmund when they bought in 2010. Ironic then that by hiring Rodgers which was seen as hiring 'a British Klopp' they've just gone and got the real thing. It will be fascinating to see. Klopp's a mad bastard and I love his personality but I just wonder whether he knows what he's getting himself in to by trying to do a Dortmund with Liverpool. I sound biased here but I thought he'd be better suited to Arsenal, as I think they are the only club capable of jumping the wealthier three clubs because even though they are further behind in terms of finances, they aren't as far as Liverpool. It's the main reason why I thought Klopp was the ideal successor to Wenger, who himself has beaten the system and is why the club is financially strong compared to when he arrived 19 years ago. Whatever the case, it will take time for Klopp to settle - it took a few years before Dortmund were firing on all cylinders, and the club would be stupid to think he can get them into the top four immediately so they need to give him time.
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Post by matt on Oct 6, 2015 11:32:36 GMT -5
Wonder the money on Rodgers being next for Chelsea? What was it Mourinho said at the weekend when he had his meltdown? Something like 'if they sack me, they sack the best manager Chelsea has ever had'. Erm.... didn't know Ancelotti was still managing them....... I heard somewhere Ancelotti feels he has 'unfinished business' at Chelsea. But how credible that is I have no idea because he slated the club after he left. But Chelsea? Says it all when somebody like Klopp has more interest in low placed Liverpool than a plastic football club like that. Even he senses the hatred towards them!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 6, 2015 16:02:58 GMT -5
I think I'm going to watch this video on replay forever. Shit club, no history.
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Post by matt on Oct 6, 2015 19:48:09 GMT -5
I think I'm going to watch this video on replay forever. Shit club, no history. Those lads have been supporting the club since 2004... Did you hear Alan Davies rant against them (him off QI?). Basically called them massive shithouses. Shithouse fans Shithouse owner Shithouse players Shithouse manager When a corrupt Russian billionaire is probably the most likeable thing about that club, then whoa, we have problems! I think they were rated the most hated club in the Premier League amongst fans. It really is a poll that didn't need to be undertaken.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 6, 2015 23:34:51 GMT -5
I think I'm going to watch this video on replay forever. Shit club, no history. Those lads have been supporting the club since 2004... Did you hear Alan Davies rant against them (him off QI?). Basically called them massive shithouses. Shithouse fans Shithouse owner Shithouse players Shithouse manager When a corrupt Russian billionaire is probably the most likeable thing about that club, then whoa, we have problems! I think they were rated the most hated club in the Premier League amongst fans. It really is a poll that didn't need to be undertaken. No I haven't. But I do know Alan Davies is a Gooner. He's also hilarious on QI. I do not believe this, but playing devils advocate, can't people level the same with Arsenal fans - how they've only been supporting since Wenger's arrival?.....That's not really a good argument though, as most of us grew up (literally) with Arsene. And we do have one hell of a history too. Eh, sorry I'm rambling. Off to bed!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 6, 2015 23:41:11 GMT -5
I think I'm going to watch this video on replay forever. Shit club, no history. When a corrupt Russian billionaire is probably the most likeable thing about that club, then whoa, we have problems! I think they were rated the most hated club in the Premier League amongst fans. It really is a poll that didn't need to be undertaken. I've said this somewhere else, but I think it's worth repeating: Man Utd were hated in the 90s and early 00s. But the hate was with respect, with annoyance of their dominance. But SAF built a dynstaty and turned the club around in the late 80s, and made Utd with money earned by the club. Chelsea, though, are hated for their utter contempt, arrogance, thuggish behavior - and it's systemic that truly runs from the owner, to the manager, and onto the players. Chelsea have been hated for the best part of a decade, and the same type of players come and go - it's a mentality that is so evidently set at Chelsea. I actually think Diego Costa is Chelsea Football Club personified. In summation, what really angers me is the entitlement that surrounds Chelsea. They believe they are morally superior to every other club. They believe they have the right to win the PL every year. So when they fail, I get great enjoyment of them being knocked back to reality, which is that they're utter shite.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 7, 2015 0:21:49 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Oct 7, 2015 10:41:28 GMT -5
When a corrupt Russian billionaire is probably the most likeable thing about that club, then whoa, we have problems! I think they were rated the most hated club in the Premier League amongst fans. It really is a poll that didn't need to be undertaken. I've said this somewhere else, but I think it's worth repeating: Man Utd were hated in the 90s and early 00s. But the hate was with respect, with annoyance of their dominance. But SAF built a dynstaty and turned the club around in the late 80s, and made Utd with money earned by the club. Chelsea, though, are hated for their utter contempt, arrogance, thuggish behavior - and it's systemic that truly runs from the owner, to the manager, and onto the players. Chelsea have been hated for the best part of a decade, and the same type of players come and go - it's a mentality that is so evidently set at Chelsea. I actually think Diego Costa is Chelsea Football Club personified. In summation, what really angers me is the entitlement that surrounds Chelsea. They believe they are morally superior to every other club. They believe they have the right to win the PL every year. So when they fail, I get great enjoyment of them being knocked back to reality, which is that they're utter shite. My hatred of them is only eased by the fact that everyone else hates them. The Mourinho piss taking on social media is hilarious - he's the number one jester this year.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 14, 2015 11:47:41 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 16, 2015 16:36:18 GMT -5
There's no better TV Drama than the English Premier League. With all the subplots, and twists and turns of a title challenge, the race for the top four Champions League places, and the relegation battle, to the managerial merry-go-round, under performing teams, and over achievers punching well above their weight. Not to mention that anyone can beat anyone on any given day. It's the best entertainment around, and I'm glad the International Break is over, and the Premier League can resume once more. No other sport can compare. Up the Arsenal.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 17, 2015 14:29:33 GMT -5
Good win for the Arsenal. Watford did well in the first half, keeping things tight. But Arsenal's quality shone through in the second half. Second place still, bitches. Oh and Chelsea were always going to beat Villa at Home, and they looked diabolical even doing that. Twats.
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