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Post by Jgrp on Feb 24, 2015 14:17:26 GMT -5
I hate that press conference. Find it so fake and made up. Even if it was over pretty green, don't see why he couldn't advertise it. Oh ye and Andy's saying nothing. F off Noel. Will always love him but hate that conference
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Post by Regi on Feb 24, 2015 14:36:29 GMT -5
I lost alot of respect after this shit. And all The people jumping on The train made me sick. Why should Andy bother or choose sides? The Gallagher were often in a conflict i think, so maybe he just thought "not again...." Yeah, seeing half the forum suddenly proclaim their hatred of Andy Bell after Noel made his little comment, was both embarrassing and in a weird way, rather amusing as well Never fails to amuse, the amount of people who parrot everything Noel says. The way he turned on Andy says a lot about him.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 24, 2015 19:41:46 GMT -5
I hate that press conference. Find it so fake and made up. Even if it was over pretty green, don't see why he couldn't advertise it. Oh ye and Andy's saying nothing. F off Noel. Will always love him but hate that conference I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both."
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Post by Jailbird on Feb 24, 2015 19:52:13 GMT -5
I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. I don't think they no longer were working class with millions in their banks.
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 25, 2015 3:04:02 GMT -5
I hate that press conference. Find it so fake and made up. Even if it was over pretty green, don't see why he couldn't advertise it. Oh ye and Andy's saying nothing. F off Noel. Will always love him but hate that conference I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both." Don't think it was anything to do with noel holding on to his working class rootes. He says in the conference 'ok, how much you gonna pay me?' He didn't like that liam would make sales out of it and Noel wouldn't benefit from it. They sell merchandise fine and don't have a problem with it.
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Post by shinealight on Feb 25, 2015 4:11:30 GMT -5
Well, Liam said the advertising was a problem. They are nor working class since 94 they were loaded rockstars with no manners, but not working class... I think Noel & Liam got out of it very well with no serious addictions or anything worse
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 25, 2015 12:55:12 GMT -5
I hate that press conference. Find it so fake and made up. Even if it was over pretty green, don't see why he couldn't advertise it. Oh ye and Andy's saying nothing. F off Noel. Will always love him but hate that conference I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both." Thank you for once again voicing your opinions under the guise of them being fact... "...Second lie: I have never, ever had a conversation with him about Pretty Green. Those words, 'Pretty Green', have never come out of my mouth with Noel Gallagher...ever. So all this shit about him saying I tried get Pretty Green in an advertisement, or Oasis tour programme, is absolute bollocks/bullshit... And him saying it was "the demise of Oasis", I'm not having it, and Oasis fans need to know that he's pulling wool..."
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 25, 2015 13:43:48 GMT -5
I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both." Thank you for once again voicing your opinions under the guise of them being fact... "...Second lie: I have have never, ever had a conversation with him about Pretty Green. Those words, 'Pretty Green', have never come out of my mouth with Noel Gallagher...ever. So all this shit about him saying I tried get Pretty Green in an advertisement, or Oasis tour programme, is absolute bollocks/bullshit... And him saying it was "the demise of Oasis", I'm not having it, and Oasis fans need to know that he's pulling wool..." That press conference was so bullshit. Noel manipulating the media but at the expense of Liam, playing on his clothing label and stereotypical 'violent' behaviour. I'm suprised a load of people didn't walk on with violins as he started saying it. The way he said it to was so rehearsed. Is there a video or audio of liam saying the above? Would like to see/hear it.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 25, 2015 13:46:20 GMT -5
I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both." Don't think it was anything to do with noel holding on to his working class rootes. He says in the conference 'ok, how much you gonna pay me?' He didn't like that liam would make sales out of it and Noel wouldn't benefit from it. They sell merchandise fine and don't have a problem with it. Well...to be fair. Why should Liam be able to advertise for free? I agree with them paying a fee just like any other business would. And if Noel had a business venture he should have had to pay as well. Doubt Liam would have been onboard with Noel advertising something that ONLY financially benefitted Noel. Why wouldn't Pretty Green pay? Who gets promotion for free anyways? Surely it would have been an ideal place to purchase promotion.
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 25, 2015 13:50:42 GMT -5
Don't think it was anything to do with noel holding on to his working class rootes. He says in the conference 'ok, how much you gonna pay me?' He didn't like that liam would make sales out of it and Noel wouldn't benefit from it. They sell merchandise fine and don't have a problem with it. Well...to be fair. Why should Liam be able to advertise for free? I agree with them paying a fee just like any other business would. And if Noel had a business venture he should have had to pay as well. Doubt Liam would have been onboard with Noel advertising something that ONLY financially benefitted Noel. Why wouldn't Pretty Green pay? Who gets promotion for free anyways? Surely it would have been an ideal place to purchase promotion. It's like me having my own business, starting up a 2nd business, and charging myself to advertise through my existing business. Oasis were a business, liam and noel were oasis. No charge needed.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 25, 2015 13:58:11 GMT -5
I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both." Thank you for once again voicing your opinions under the guise of them being fact... "...Second lie: I have have never, ever had a conversation with him about Pretty Green. Those words, 'Pretty Green', have never come out of my mouth with Noel Gallagher...ever. So all this shit about him saying I tried get Pretty Green in an advertisement, or Oasis tour programme, is absolute bollocks/bullshit... And him saying it was "the demise of Oasis", I'm not having it, and Oasis fans need to know that he's pulling wool..." You believe that Liam said the words Pretty Green to Noel at any point? Really? Frankly it would have made sense to advertise there...I doubt no one asked. In a business perspective it would have made sense Judging by Andy's comment around that time saying "I was in that room and it had nothing to do with Pretty Green." I think it seems like at the very least Andy and maybe Liam too misunderstood or where misquoted the Noel comments or never actually watched the press conference. Noel never said that they argued about PG that night. But that they had had a discussion that pissed Liam off before the tour and started a downward spiral in their relationship. Liam bragged during that tour that he had "made Noel cry" so he didn't want to travel with him anymore. Andy's comment makes me thinks that in the quote you refer to Liam is saying that not once in that entire argument did he say anything about PG. Which is probably true
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Post by gdforever on Feb 25, 2015 14:01:11 GMT -5
Well...to be fair. Why should Liam be able to advertise for free? I agree with them paying a fee just like any other business would. And if Noel had a business venture he should have had to pay as well. Doubt Liam would have been onboard with Noel advertising something that ONLY financially benefitted Noel. Why wouldn't Pretty Green pay? Who gets promotion for free anyways? Surely it would have been an ideal place to purchase promotion. It's like me having my own business, starting up a 2nd business, and charging myself to advertise through my existing business. Oasis were a business, liam and noel were oasis. No charge needed. If you had a partner or 3 in the first business you think they wouldn't want at least some financial recompense for using the businesses resources to advertise your solo venture? I think you should try that. Your example only makes sense if Oasis owned PG or Liam was sole owner of Oasis
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 25, 2015 14:26:58 GMT -5
Thank you for once again voicing your opinions under the guise of them being fact... "...Second lie: I have have never, ever had a conversation with him about Pretty Green. Those words, 'Pretty Green', have never come out of my mouth with Noel Gallagher...ever. So all this shit about him saying I tried get Pretty Green in an advertisement, or Oasis tour programme, is absolute bollocks/bullshit... And him saying it was "the demise of Oasis", I'm not having it, and Oasis fans need to know that he's pulling wool..." That press conference was so bullshit. Noel manipulating the media but at the expense of Liam, playing on his clothing label and stereotypical 'violent' behaviour. I'm suprised a load of people didn't walk on with violins as he started saying it. The way he said it to was so rehearsed. Is there a video or audio of liam saying the above? Would like to see/hear it.
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 25, 2015 14:34:49 GMT -5
That press conference was so bullshit. Noel manipulating the media but at the expense of Liam, playing on his clothing label and stereotypical 'violent' behaviour. I'm suprised a load of people didn't walk on with violins as he started saying it. The way he said it to was so rehearsed. Is there a video or audio of liam saying the above? Would like to see/hear it. Thanks! He's spot on! Noel makes himself out to be an Angel but really he's the 2 faced kid I'd hate at school
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 25, 2015 14:36:59 GMT -5
It's like me having my own business, starting up a 2nd business, and charging myself to advertise through my existing business. Oasis were a business, liam and noel were oasis. No charge needed. If you had a partner or 3 in the first business you think they wouldn't want at least some financial recompense for using the businesses resources to advertise your solo venture? I think you should try that. Your example only makes sense if Oasis owned PG or Liam was sole owner of Oasis So does liam get a cut of anything relating to Sour Mash or Proud Mary that was promoted by the oasis days?
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Post by gdforever on Feb 25, 2015 14:39:20 GMT -5
If you had a partner or 3 in the first business you think they wouldn't want at least some financial recompense for using the businesses resources to advertise your solo venture? I think you should try that. Your example only makes sense if Oasis owned PG or Liam was sole owner of Oasis So does liam get a cut of anything relating to Sour Mash or Proud Mary that was promoted by the oasis days? Isn't/wasn't Sour Mash a subsidiary of Big Brother? In which case...yes he would have presumably, being a shareholder in the company.
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 25, 2015 14:46:37 GMT -5
So does liam get a cut of anything relating to Sour Mash or Proud Mary that was promoted by the oasis days? Isn't/wasn't Sour Mash a subsidiary of Big Brother? In which case...yes he would have presumably, being a shareholder in the company. I can't see anything that states liam is anything to do with Sour Mash
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Post by Jim on Feb 25, 2015 14:51:12 GMT -5
Sour Mash is not related to Big Brother. It is Noel's independent record label.
Liam was not and is not involved with it in anyway.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 25, 2015 14:55:43 GMT -5
Isn't/wasn't Sour Mash a subsidiary of Big Brother? In which case...yes he would have presumably, being a shareholder in the company. I can't see anything that states liam is anything to do with Sour Mash Liam and Noel own Big Brother. Big Brother owns Sour Mash. When the company makes a profit the labels make money. The shareholders make money. Liam would have had a stake in them doing well. Don't know how much but at least some. Whereas Pretty Green was a separate venture. No connection to Noel. He has no stake Maybe they did buy space in the program anyways. No one would know unless one of the Gallaghers said. I am assuming you know for certain that Proud Mary was in the tour programs? Liam never rebutted saying Noel didn't.
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Post by Jim on Feb 25, 2015 15:13:52 GMT -5
I can't see anything that states liam is anything to do with Sour Mash Liam and Noel own Big Brother. Big Brother owns Sour Mash. When the company makes a profit the labels make money. The shareholders make money. Liam would have had a stake in them doing well. Don't know how much but at least some. Whereas Pretty Green was a separate venture. No connection to Noel. He has no stake Maybe they did buy space in the program anyways. No one would know unless one of the Gallaghers said. I am assuming you know for certain that Proud Mary was in the tour programs? Liam never rebutted saying Noel didn't. Big Brother does not own Sour Mash. They are both separate labels.
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Post by joladella on Feb 25, 2015 15:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 25, 2015 15:33:57 GMT -5
Says it all.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 25, 2015 16:10:23 GMT -5
I hate that press conference. Find it so fake and made up. Even if it was over pretty green, don't see why he couldn't advertise it. Oh ye and Andy's saying nothing. F off Noel. Will always love him but hate that conference I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both." Oasis weren't a working class band 2009 and they hadn't been for sometime, Pretty Green would have meant nothing in 2009 to Oasis's working class image. It wasn't the 90's. As huge fans we need to take ourselves out of being such big fans because I'm quite certain that a great deal of the crowd going to see them either wouldn't have noticed or wouldn't have cared about an advertisement. I'm not sure I believe either of their version of events entirely but if you are going to give one of your songs to a massive faceless corporation like AT & T then giving your brother a page in the program for a company he is trying to start seems small change to me.
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 25, 2015 16:21:03 GMT -5
I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both." Oasis weren't a working class band 2009 and they hadn't been for sometime, Pretty Green would have meant nothing in 2009 to Oasis's working class image. It wasn't the 90's. As huge fans we need to take ourselves out of being such big fans because I'm quite certain that a great deal of the crowd going to see them either wouldn't have noticed or wouldn't have cared about an advertisement. I'm not sure I believe either of their version of events entirely but if you are going to give one of your songs to a massive faceless corporation like AT & T then giving your brother a page in the program for a company he is trying to start seems small change to me. Exactly. I don't think it was Pretty Green related, but if it was, like you say, small change to put your brother in the programme.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 25, 2015 21:48:04 GMT -5
I'm glad Noel was against advertising Pretty Green. Oasis were a working class band that forgot it was working class. They drifted pretty far away from it by the end. The last nail in the coffin would have been pretty green. Think about in the 90's hearing that Oasis would become a walking advert for a clothing label. It was Liam's right to ask, but it was also Noel's right to say "no." Both of them made it enough of an issue to break-up that band. So, if you're being fair, it could be said, "don't see why he didn't advertise it, don't see why Liam NEEDED him to advertise it. Fuck them both." Oasis weren't a working class band 2009 and they hadn't been for sometime, Pretty Green would have meant nothing in 2009 to Oasis's working class image. It wasn't the 90's. As huge fans we need to take ourselves out of being such big fans because I'm quite certain that a great deal of the crowd going to see them either wouldn't have noticed or wouldn't have cared about an advertisement. I'm not sure I believe either of their version of events entirely but if you are going to give one of your songs to a massive faceless corporation like AT & T then giving your brother a page in the program for a company he is trying to start seems small change to me. Never said they were a working class band in 2009. If fact, I think my post says quite the opposite. They were a working class band that forgot they were working class around Knebworth. For all of Noel speaking about their roots, they forgot their fairly quickly. That was the point I was making. Pretty Green would have been another manifestation of what already became the status quo. Personally, there's a difference between letting someone play your song and then becoming an advert yourself. Plenty of indie artists, even the most indie of the indie have their songs played in commercials by corporations, few of them become a living walking commercial.
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