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Post by defmaybe00 on May 28, 2013 11:43:50 GMT -5
I love the "I'm gonna take the tiger outside for a ride" what are you talking about? I've said it before,I think Noel's better,but not because I'm a Noel fangirl or something like that,just because he's a genius of songwriting,his melodies are better and also his lyrics are (IIHAG is amazing lyrically,TDOYAM,WAL,RM and EOTR have some amazing lines,BA is another great song),you know,is just that he's a fucking genius in his own style,BE aren't (but they're good),however I can enjoy BE without compare them to Noel all the time,I don't care about the lyrics when they're bad,just when they're beautiful ahah,this album seems to be good,so I don't care if they aren't like Noel,I'll surely enjoy Noel next album whenever it will come out
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Post by psj3809 on May 28, 2013 11:46:54 GMT -5
But I think trolls invade here because it's easy. It's easy to be painted as a hater and given attention. It's easy to get under the skin of fans, especially when some already feel as if there has been "unfair" criticism of Beady Eye. There is an environment where trolling is made simple in the BDI section, that's not as apparent in the Noel section and I think some of it is because of the above reasons. One reason we have loads of trolls is that the mods dont seem bothered by them. Most forums you would just delete them/block their IP address and that'll be the end of that. Do like this site but its ruined by the amount of idiots just posting crap to get a reaction, nothing happens, no wonder they stay.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 11:47:21 GMT -5
Beady Eye don't need Noel Gallagher really, he wasn't part of that band after all. They're both good numbers on their own.
"Success" is another thing that bores me round here. Are we enjoying the music or enjoying economical/fame status?
And you know this band is not familiarized with marketable art, so what do they do? just simple art...that has been their approach since forever I believe.
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Post by Bruno on May 28, 2013 11:47:54 GMT -5
I love the "I'm gonna take the tiger outside for a ride" what are you talking about? I've said it before,I think Noel's better,but not because I'm a Noel fangirl or something like that,just because he's a genius of songwriting,his melodies are better and also his lyrics are (IIHAG is amazing lyrically,TDOYAM,WAL,RM and EOTR have some amazing lines,BA is another great song),you know,is just that he's a fucking genius in his own style,BE aren't (but they're good),however I can enjoy BE without compare them to Noel all the time,I don't care about the lyrics when they're bad,just when they're beautiful ahah,this album seems to be good,so I don't care if they aren't like Noel,I'll surely enjoy Noel next album whenever it will come out I never said it was bad on the contrary it's one of my favourites. People complain about BE's lyrics and those are pretty bad when it comes to lyrics. I love the song too, just trying to prove the point that there are double standards when it comes to criticizing Noel and Beady Eye.
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Post by spaneli on May 28, 2013 11:49:27 GMT -5
The difference between criticisms of Noel and Beady Eye is that Noel's criticism is on legitimate points by fans, whereas people who don't like BE at all find the need to constantly point out what a 'shit' band they are. Go through any of the threads on Beady Eye, I'm sure you'll see what I'm talking about. Again, using one of your posts as a jumping off point I would say that's a separation between people who are trolling and not. And it goes back to the overall environment of the Beady Eye section. When threads pop up of Noel is shit in the Noel section they don't get many responses, but if a thread popped up right now of Beady Eye is shit, then just about every Beady Eye fan would be there. Instead of just accepting it's a troll and one shouldn't respond. Some wounds on Beady Eye fans are self inflicted in my opinion and make it easier for those type of opinions to appear. Trolls will never completely disappear, but there would be less if the section weren't seen as an easy target.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 11:54:02 GMT -5
There are plenty of criticisms on the Noel threads, they just don't turn into clusterfucks like they do here.
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Post by psj3809 on May 28, 2013 11:55:40 GMT -5
Instead of just accepting it's a troll and one shouldn't respond. Some wounds on Beady Eye fans are self inflicted in my opinion and make it easier for those type of opinions to appear. Trolls will never completely disappear, but there would be less if the section weren't seen as an easy target. That never works, the 'ignore the troll'. Thats what they tell you at school when some bullys hitting you, you dont ignore them, you twat them back and they'll stop. Sadly we cant do that here but what we can do is get the mods to get rid of them. For now they'll keep posting whatever. Its the job of the mods to get rid of the trolls. The trolls dont add anything to the threads, just delete and nuke em.
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Post by Bruno on May 28, 2013 11:56:25 GMT -5
I would say that's a separation between people who are trolling and not. And it goes back to the overall environment of the Beady Eye section. When threads pop up of Noel is shit they don't get many responses in that section, but if a thread popped up right now of Beady Eye is shit, then just about every Beady Eye fan would be there. Instead of just accepting it's a troll and one shouldn't respond. Some wounds on Beady Eye fans are self inflicted in my opinion and make it easier for those type of opinions to appear. I have never seen a Noel is shit thread to be honest. But the thread about Noel not being a good guitar player got a load of responses, so its not a Team Noel or Team BE attitude problem. Beady Eye are a soft target. The quality of their music is debatable, many people have varied opinions on their music. I personally really like it but I'm in a minority there. So I guess it is a soft target for trolls. Noel on the other hand is always consistent so even if a Noel is shit thread does come up no one will bother because no one here holds that view, or else they wouldn't be Oasis fans.
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Post by spaneli on May 28, 2013 11:57:27 GMT -5
Instead of just accepting it's a troll and one shouldn't respond. Some wounds on Beady Eye fans are self inflicted in my opinion and make it easier for those type of opinions to appear. Trolls will never completely disappear, but there would be less if the section weren't seen as an easy target. That never works, the 'ignore the troll'. Thats what they tell you at school when some bullys hitting you, you dont ignore them, you twat them back and they'll stop. Sadly we cant do that here but what we can do is get the mods to get rid of them. For now they'll keep posting whatever. Its the job of the mods to get rid of the trolls. The trolls dont add anything to the threads, just delete and nuke em. There is no IP ban here. Those trolls will continue to return and they have. Even with banning, if everyday members don't help out the mods, then it doesn't matter what they do.
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Post by spaneli on May 28, 2013 11:58:47 GMT -5
I would say that's a separation between people who are trolling and not. And it goes back to the overall environment of the Beady Eye section. When threads pop up of Noel is shit they don't get many responses in that section, but if a thread popped up right now of Beady Eye is shit, then just about every Beady Eye fan would be there. Instead of just accepting it's a troll and one shouldn't respond. Some wounds on Beady Eye fans are self inflicted in my opinion and make it easier for those type of opinions to appear. I have never seen a Noel is shit thread to be honest. But the thread about Noel not being a good guitar player got a load of responses, so its not a Team Noel or Team BE attitude problem. Beady Eye are a soft target. The quality of their music is debatable, many people have varied opinions on their music. I personally really like it but I'm in a minority there. So I guess it is a soft target for trolls. Noel on the other hand is always consistent so even if a Noel is shit thread does come up no one will bother because no one here holds that view, or else they wouldn't be Oasis fans. The thread on Noel being a good guitarist is nearly 5 years old and only 6 pages. Not exactly a hot bed of responses
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 12:00:28 GMT -5
I have never seen a Noel is shit thread to be honest. But the thread about Noel not being a good guitar player got a load of responses, so its not a Team Noel or Team BE attitude problem. Beady Eye are a soft target. The quality of their music is debatable, many people have varied opinions on their music. I personally really like it but I'm in a minority there. So I guess it is a soft target for trolls. Noel on the other hand is always consistent so even if a Noel is shit thread does come up no one will bother because no one here holds that view, or else they wouldn't be Oasis fans. The thread on Noel being a good guitarist is nearly 5 years old and only 6 pages. Not exactly a hot bed of responses Maybe too exquisite for a proper debate.
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Post by Bruno on May 28, 2013 12:02:31 GMT -5
I have never seen a Noel is shit thread to be honest. But the thread about Noel not being a good guitar player got a load of responses, so its not a Team Noel or Team BE attitude problem. Beady Eye are a soft target. The quality of their music is debatable, many people have varied opinions on their music. I personally really like it but I'm in a minority there. So I guess it is a soft target for trolls. Noel on the other hand is always consistent so even if a Noel is shit thread does come up no one will bother because no one here holds that view, or else they wouldn't be Oasis fans. The thread on Noel being a good guitarist is nearly 5 years old and only 6 pages. Not exactly a hot bed of responses Alright, my point being there are no Noel is shit threads as you said so I picked the only closest one I could remember and it turned out to be 5 years old. Just goes to show you what a soft target BE really are.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 28, 2013 12:07:22 GMT -5
One thing people get hung up are all the humorous little gimmicks in songs like Second Bite of The Apple: 'Shake my tree' [...]. Even in Don't Bother Me: 'take my hand, be a man' is quite funny in this context.
'She's got one in the oven' [...]': I think that's something, I'm missing on later Oasis records.
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Post by Ash & Debris on May 28, 2013 12:23:38 GMT -5
[/span]- I'm German by the way.[/quote] Well that explains why you like this album. You're used to atrocities. (No offense)
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Post by thomaslivesforever on May 28, 2013 12:24:25 GMT -5
That never works, the 'ignore the troll'. Thats what they tell you at school when some bullys hitting you, you dont ignore them, you twat them back and they'll stop. Sadly we cant do that here but what we can do is get the mods to get rid of them. For now they'll keep posting whatever. Its the job of the mods to get rid of the trolls. The trolls dont add anything to the threads, just delete and nuke em. There is no IP ban here. Those trolls will continue to return and they have. Even with banning, if everyday members don't help out the mods, then it doesn't matter what they do. Its basically fans of BE who are the problem then? Is that the idea of what you have been saying? There are a number of people who target this section and nothing is done, nothing at all. To ignore the fact is plain stupid.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on May 28, 2013 12:25:03 GMT -5
[/span]- I'm German by the way.[/quote] Well that explains why you like this album. You're used to atrocities. (No offense) [/quote] ........See my point?
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 28, 2013 12:29:38 GMT -5
[/span]- I'm German by the way.[/quote] Well that explains why you like this album. You're used to atrocities. (No offense) [/quote] Yeah, very funny!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 12:36:25 GMT -5
Well that explains why you like this album. You're used to atrocities. (No offense) Yeah, very funny! Scorpions. Nuff said.
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Post by batfink30 on May 28, 2013 12:41:29 GMT -5
Fact is, it's just not a very good album. It won't be remembered in a few months, won't sell much and will probably finish BE. No matter how much you dress it up, Noel was and still is a natural song writer who can pull melodies out of his arse. There's no shame in it, that's just how it is.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on May 28, 2013 12:48:17 GMT -5
Fact is, it's just not a very good album. It won't be remembered in a few months, won't sell much and will probably finish BE. No matter how much you dress it up, Noel was and still is a natural song writer who can pull melodies out of his arse. There's no shame in it, that's just how it is. Nothing wrong with what i've heard so far.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 28, 2013 12:50:05 GMT -5
when do people learn, that not everybody has to think, that this album is poor, just because they think so, after they have heard some bad quality leaks, which are horrible to judge a band for
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Post by psj3809 on May 28, 2013 12:56:51 GMT -5
Fact is, it's just not a very good album. It won't be remembered in a few months, won't sell much and will probably finish BE. No matter how much you dress it up, Noel was and still is a natural song writer who can pull melodies out of his arse. There's no shame in it, that's just how it is. What a load of crap. A really bad leak has appeared for not even a day and suddenly from the bad quality of the rip you seem to know everything about the album and that'll it'll finish Beady Eye etc, a load of rubbish. And to be fair I would say the same if someone was saying its the best album ever. ANY album needs a fair few plays, few days/weeks and the FINAL version to be listened to before making a decent opinion.
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Post by oneeye on May 28, 2013 13:25:28 GMT -5
Fact is, it's just not a very good album. It won't be remembered in a few months, won't sell much and will probably finish BE. No matter how much you dress it up, Noel was and still is a natural song writer who can pull melodies out of his arse. There's no shame in it, that's just how it is. 1. To say it's a nit very good album this early, it just rediculous and shows your approach to music. 2. I suggest you listen to Noels Demo tape from '89 and you will realise how shit Noels lyrics were. Noel worked for years before he got near even writing Luve Forever etc Compare that to Liam, who is still in his infancy in terms of writing songs. That's why we get these simple rhyming lyrics. Who knows where Liam will be with his songs in 5 years time?
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Post by oneeye on May 28, 2013 13:26:23 GMT -5
I mean LIVE Forever of course lol
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 28, 2013 13:37:12 GMT -5
Liam is not really a songwriter at the end,but what about Andy and Gem? they can do truly better I think About Noel he wasn't good before he wrote Live Forever,he'll never be a poet,but he has his fucking style,he had something special,whatever it is,and I can't find this special thing in BE songwriting
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