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Post by alwaysnow on May 28, 2013 13:38:54 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum! Hope you stick around.
I get what you say and greatly agree but I think we should really stop fueling the Liam vs Noel debate, just enjoy the music for what it is. Comparing is kinda inevitable, but there are other ways to do so. I agree on the rest, I think the leak shows promise, but it's still to early to say either way, the quality is really shit, and I think part of the difference in this album are all the little sounds and nuances provided by Sitek's production, which are hard to hear when all you get is Liam's voice and muffled percussions.
Here's to hope a good leak appears soon, it's no fun having poor quality tracks devaluating the final product.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:44:20 GMT -5
About Noel he wasn't good before he wrote Live Forever,he'll never be a poet,but he has his fucking style,he had something special,whatever it is,and I can't find this special thing in BE songwriting Of course you will not find that in Beady Eye, because they're not Noel Gallagher clones..also Beady Eye can't be really considered an Oasis continuation. Even though people still expect from them to deliver like they did in Oasis... Why can't people accept difference?
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 28, 2013 13:51:00 GMT -5
About Noel he wasn't good before he wrote Live Forever,he'll never be a poet,but he has his fucking style,he had something special,whatever it is,and I can't find this special thing in BE songwriting Of course you will not find that in Beady Eye, because they're not Noel Gallagher clones..also Beady Eye can't be really considered an Oasis continuation. Even though people still expect from them to deliver like they did in Oasis... Why can't people accept difference? Yeah yeah,and I'm happy that they're finding their style and their direction,maybe the next stop would be find that fucking special thing,because I think that they can write a cracking tune,who knows?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:59:35 GMT -5
Of course you will not find that in Beady Eye, because they're not Noel Gallagher clones..also Beady Eye can't be really considered an Oasis continuation. Even though people still expect from them to deliver like they did in Oasis... Why can't people accept difference? Yeah yeah,and I'm happy that they're finding their style and their direction,maybe the next stop would be find that fucking special thing,because I think that they can write a cracking tune,who knows? heh What if for someone they actually have that "fucking special thing"?..And what if for some other they were never special at all? A cracking tune is in the ear of the listener.. ...those things are all relative to musical taste. Is all opinions.
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Post by olesiadudnik on May 28, 2013 14:02:25 GMT -5
The difference between criticisms of Noel and Beady Eye is that Noel's criticism is on legitimate points by fans, whereas people who don't like BE at all find the need to constantly point out what a 'shit' band they are. Go through any of the threads on Beady Eye, I'm sure you'll see what I'm talking about. Again, using one of your posts as a jumping off point I would say that's a separation between people who are trolling and not. And it goes back to the overall environment of the Beady Eye section. When threads pop up of Noel is shit in the Noel section they don't get many responses, but if a thread popped up right now of Beady Eye is shit, then just about every Beady Eye fan would be there. Instead of just accepting it's a troll and one shouldn't respond. Some wounds on Beady Eye fans are self inflicted in my opinion and make it easier for those type of opinions to appear. Trolls will never completely disappear, but there would be less if the section weren't seen as an easy target. LOL, such convention. Okay 'kay, you give me your definition on what is trolling, and I'll give you mine. Go on.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 28, 2013 14:07:34 GMT -5
Yeah yeah,and I'm happy that they're finding their style and their direction,maybe the next stop would be find that fucking special thing,because I think that they can write a cracking tune,who knows? heh What if for someone they actually have that "fucking special thing"?..And what if for some other they were never special at all? A cracking tune is in the ear of the listener.. ...those things are all relative to musical taste. Is all opinions. Of course...I don't know how to say that,even in Italian ahah If you don't like Oasis however you can't argue that Noel has that special thing,d'you know what I mean? that thing that makes the songwriter more,yeah,you know,special and and amazing songwriter and that identifies him,I think that all of them are good,they just miss something,d'you understand? cos I don't really ahah Obviously that's my opinion
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Post by domduv87 on May 28, 2013 14:09:02 GMT -5
Yeah yeah,and I'm happy that they're finding their style and their direction,maybe the next stop would be find that fucking special thing,because I think that they can write a cracking tune,who knows? heh What if for someone they actually have that "fucking special thing"?..And what if for some other they were never special at all? A cracking tune is in the ear of the listener.. ...those things are all relative to musical taste. Is all opinions. Best thing i've EVER read on this forum... ''A cracking tune is in the ear of the listener..'' now enjoy the music!!!!
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Post by spaneli on May 28, 2013 14:24:05 GMT -5
There is no IP ban here. Those trolls will continue to return and they have. Even with banning, if everyday members don't help out the mods, then it doesn't matter what they do. Its basically fans of BE who are the problem then? Is that the idea of what you have been saying? There are a number of people who target this section and nothing is done, nothing at all. To ignore the fact is plain stupid. Well if you want to make that conclusion, okay. I'm just saying it's not ALL the trolls. To not admit that I think is idiotic. That was my only point. Some of the blame is on Beady Eye fans. It's like I'm being attacked by a troll and I keep responding. Part of the responsibility is on me. Unless you want to say it's completely and 100% the trolls. Which I don't think.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 30, 2013 14:03:55 GMT -5
time to face the Kraut!
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Post by Ash & Debris on May 30, 2013 14:15:33 GMT -5
Fact is, it's just not a very good album. It won't be remembered in a few months, won't sell much and will probably finish BE. No matter how much you dress it up, Noel was and still is a natural song writer who can pull melodies out of his arse. There's no shame in it, that's just how it is. 1. To say it's a nit very good album this early, it just rediculous and shows your approach to music. 2. I suggest you listen to Noels Demo tape from '89 and you will realise how shit Noels lyrics were. Noel worked for years before he got near even writing Luve Forever etc Compare that to Liam, who is still in his infancy in terms of writing songs. That's why we get these simple rhyming lyrics. Who knows where Liam will be with his songs in 5 years time? Liam has been writing songs for 13 years+...Noel didn't even start playing guitar till early-mid teens and had written DM and WTSMG within 13 years.... Awful comparison, Noel is intelligent, well read and well versed in his knowledge. And his record collection consists of a lot more than just the Beatles and Stones to boot. Liam will never be 1/10th of the songwriter as Noel.
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Post by nahuel89p on May 30, 2013 14:22:14 GMT -5
I'm definitely with Noel, even though I think DGSS is better than NGHFB.
When it comes to songwriting, BE songs are too simple, and the melodies aren't very clever. The best moment is "shine a light" chorus to me. Catchy.
FFS, I'm listening to "After the Gold Rush" album by Neil Young, and shit, these are proper SONGS, well written, with good structure and melodies.
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Post by jv on May 30, 2013 14:22:59 GMT -5
What is it with this "Noel has a special thing" talk? You're all crazy... HFB is good, but it has no Wonderwall, no Live Forever, no Slide Away, it has nothing special. It's just good.
Same with Beady Eye. There's nothing that special, but it's good. There are certainly some songs there that could be Noel's. In fact, they're much closer to the good old Oasis than Noel's solo, which is pretty much why BE is better than HFB.
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Post by oneeye on May 30, 2013 14:53:52 GMT -5
1. To say it's a nit very good album this early, it just rediculous and shows your approach to music. 2. I suggest you listen to Noels Demo tape from '89 and you will realise how shit Noels lyrics were. Noel worked for years before he got near even writing Luve Forever etc Compare that to Liam, who is still in his infancy in terms of writing songs. That's why we get these simple rhyming lyrics. Who knows where Liam will be with his songs in 5 years time? Liam has been writing songs for 13 years+...Noel didn't even start playing guitar till early-mid teens and had written DM and WTSMG within 13 years.... Awful comparison, Noel is intelligent, well read and well versed in his knowledge. And his record collection consists of a lot more than just the Beatles and Stones to boot. Liam will never be 1/10th of the songwriter as Noel. Its easier to start something at an early age, which Noel did. Liam is late to the writing game, so its gonna be 10x harder for him. Noel is definitely the more intelligent and musically aware, but he was also aware enough to steal and borrow what he could get away with, putting everything he got into his songs , heck even his ex-girlfriend unintentionally ended up helping with the lyrics of Digsy's Dinner. Whatever, Dont Go Away, Shakermaker, She's Electric, Columbia, Hello, Dont Look Back in Anger, Underneath the Sky, Importance of Being Idle. Just some songs highlighting that Noel isn't all high and mighty in the songwriting world. Stealing arguably the key elements of all those songs that Noel "wrote". But, he is intelligent enough to put words to melodies etc So you cant fault him for that and that's why we love him.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 30, 2013 15:36:39 GMT -5
What is it with this "Noel has a special thing" talk? You're all crazy... HFB is good, but it has no Wonderwall, no Live Forever, no Slide Away, it has nothing special. It's just good. Same with Beady Eye. There's nothing that special, but it's good. There are certainly some songs there that could be Noel's. In fact, they're much closer to the good old Oasis than Noel's solo, which is pretty much why BE is better than HFB. Crazy? Noel had that special thing since 1991 and he still has it,maybe he'll never write a song like Wonderwall or Live Forever,but he's an amazing songwriter
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 22:26:53 GMT -5
A cracking tune is in the ear of the listener...
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Post by Regi on May 30, 2013 23:34:46 GMT -5
Fact is, it's just not a very good album. It won't be remembered in a few months, won't sell much and will probably finish BE. No matter how much you dress it up, Noel was and still is a natural song writer who can pull melodies out of his arse. There's no shame in it, that's just how it is. It's not a fact. It is merely an opinion. You cannot have your own facts.
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on May 30, 2013 23:59:39 GMT -5
Noel and Beady Eye are on different levels of expectations... The end.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 31, 2013 6:23:52 GMT -5
eventually we all find our own voice and songs.....
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 6:47:51 GMT -5
About Noel he wasn't good before he wrote Live Forever,he'll never be a poet,but he has his fucking style,he had something special,whatever it is,and I can't find this special thing in BE songwriting Of course you will not find that in Beady Eye, because they're not Noel Gallagher clones..also Beady Eye can't be really considered an Oasis continuation. Even though people still expect from them to deliver like they did in Oasis... Why can't people accept difference?
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Post by Rifles on May 31, 2013 7:04:14 GMT -5
It's really disturbing and pathetic that a lot of people cannot separate the 2 artists. Everything written about BDI is not related to Noel and everything written about Noel is not related to BDI. Comparisons are inevitable given their history, but the insecurity displayed by some BDI fans is laughable. Enjoy the music you think sounds good you idiots.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 7:08:21 GMT -5
Enjoy the music you think sounds good you idiots. No need for that...
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