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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 28, 2013 9:34:29 GMT -5
Hello, I've listened to all BE clips including Iz Rite and Ballroom Figured on Youtube. I think they are all pretty decent. I loved them from the first listen. My opinion hasn't changed.
Everyone who knows a little bit about songwriting might agree with me on this: A main criterion is the song structure. There are no half songs on it, such as Beatles and Stones, [GOY]HHL (Oasis). If this would have been released under the name Oasis and all songs would have been written by Noel, it wouldn't make a difference. The songs are very much on the same level of any songs related to the name Noel G. I don't think most of the criticism is actually founded. Most Oasis "fans" decided to go with Noel after the split. NOW I THINK: most of them can't handle that fact that Beady Eye finally made a record which sounds too much like the Noel - Gallagher - Oasis without actually having Noel on it. You (including me) might think Noel owns this certain kind of Oasis sound, his trademark so to say. But Beady Eye are proving they can sound like 90's Oasis and remain still modernistic and forward thinking, developing their own sound. It's exceptional. And it's subconsciously pissing a lot of Noel Gallagher fans of. I'm fan of the music in the first place. So I don't mind who is the head behind it. But I know when I listen to a good record.
You're free to write whatever you like. This is my first post ever on this forum. Hello! - I'm German by the way.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 28, 2013 9:38:25 GMT -5
welcome to the forum! I'm from Austria . i have to say i really like your post, but as many on this threadboard say, the differecne lays in the lyrics. for me lyrics are not that important so a can enjoy Beady Eye much more than Noel and i really think these tunes all have a great structure and i think they will work well as an album! can't wait for it! for me they blew DGSS out the water with the new songs! they sound fresh but not that rushed. great songs!
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 28, 2013 9:44:12 GMT -5
I'm definitely with Noel,probably everybody here has understood that,but I really like what I've heard,BE will be a solid,pretty good album,they seem to have found their dimension now,just think Noel is a better songwriter and musician to me and he could do a lot better with the next album,is it a crime? I don't think so
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Post by WirralRiddler on May 28, 2013 9:50:28 GMT -5
If these songs had 'written by Noel Gallagher' on them I would be seriously worried he had suffered major brain damage to be honest. And i don't mean that as a dig at BE either, but Noel has a unique style to his songwriting IMO, and none of what i've heard so far sound anything like a Noel Gallagher song.
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Post by space75gr on May 28, 2013 9:51:07 GMT -5
Hello, I've listened to all BE clips including Iz Rite and Ballroom Figured on Youtube. I think they are all pretty decent. I loved them from the first listen. My opinion hasn't changed. Everyone who knows a little bit about songwriting might agree with me on this: A main criterion is the song structure. There are no half songs on it, such as Beatles and Stones, [GOY]HHL (Oasis). If this would have been released under the name Oasis and all songs would have been written by Noel, it wouldn't make a difference. The songs are very much on the same level of any songs related to the name Noel G. I don't think most of the criticism is actually founded. Most Oasis "fans" decided to go with Noel after the split. NOW I THINK: most of them can't handle that fact that Beady Eye finally made a record which sounds too much like the Noel - Gallagher - Oasis without actually having Noel on it. You (including me) might think Noel owns this certain kind of Oasis sound, his trademark so to say. But Beady Eye are proving they can sound like 90's Oasis and remain still modernistic and forward thinking, developing their own sound. It's exceptional. And it's subconsciously pissing a lot of Noel Gallagher fans of. I'm fan of the music in the first place. So I don't mind who is the head behind it. But I know when I listen to a good record.
You're free to write whatever you like. This is my first post ever on this forum. Hello!
- I'm German by the way. good point.totally agree with you. welcome to the forum
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 28, 2013 9:52:18 GMT -5
welcome to the forum! I'm from Austria . i have to say i really like your post, but as many on this threadboard say, the differecne lays in the lyrics. for me lyrics are not that important so a can enjoy Beady Eye much more than Noel and i really think these tunes all have a great structure and i think they will work well as an album! can't wait for it! for me they blew DGSS out the water with the new songs! they sound fresh but not that rushed. great songs! Danke! '1234, you and me, 789' But this might work great in Germany or Austria, Easy Listening so to say, very commercially
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 28, 2013 9:53:48 GMT -5
If these songs had 'written by Noel Gallagher' on them I would be seriously worried he had suffered major brain damage to be honest. And i don't mean that as a dig at BE either, but Noel has a unique style to his songwriting IMO, and none of what i've heard so far sound anything like a Noel Gallagher song. and thats a reason more to like Beady Eye i think. they finally found their way without him
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Post by capanb2013 on May 28, 2013 9:54:32 GMT -5
I am sorry but in my case this has nothing to do with Noel vs Liam. I am a fan of both and I want both to do great records. It is simply that I am very dissapointed with what I have heard. No matter all the backslash on recent times, I still think DGSS was a good album. But this is not.
To me, Just Sayin and FOTF are good songs, and Start Anew and Soul Love are ok. The other songs are very dissapointing.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 28, 2013 9:55:02 GMT -5
I'm definitely with Noel,probably everybody here has understood that,but I really like what I've heard,BE will be a solid,pretty good album,they seem to have found their dimension now,just think Noel is a better songwriter and musician to me and he could do a lot better with the next album,is it a crime? I don't think so Noel Gallagher is a genius. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 28, 2013 9:57:55 GMT -5
If these songs had 'written by Noel Gallagher' on them I would be seriously worried he had suffered major brain damage to be honest. And i don't mean that as a dig at BE either, but Noel has a unique style to his songwriting IMO, and none of what i've heard so far sound anything like a Noel Gallagher song. I haven't heard all the songs,so I can't say anything about the first part of the post,but I'm agree with the second,they're not Noel,Noel has his style,that's amazing and,let me say that,probably better than Andy,Gem and Liam songwriting but I'm happy cos they've found their dimension
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 28, 2013 10:01:01 GMT -5
I'm definitely with Noel,probably everybody here has understood that,but I really like what I've heard,BE will be a solid,pretty good album,they seem to have found their dimension now,just think Noel is a better songwriter and musician to me and he could do a lot better with the next album,is it a crime? I don't think so Noel Gallagher is a genius. There's nothing wrong with that. yes,so stop comparing them,BE aren't Noel,nobody is,but if they produce good music I'm happy,they can be good with their own style (not as good as Noel,but that's what I think)
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Post by psj3809 on May 28, 2013 10:07:46 GMT -5
Obviously we all want Liam and Noel to get back together but thats not going to happen.
I must admit i'm enjoying more music from both of them, i've seen Noel live, seen Beady Eye live. Noel has some classic tunes on his album but also a fair bit of filler. Months on and i only really listen to the singles on his album he released.
Beady Eyes songs arent as good as Noels but to me theyre more 'rock n roll' and I enjoy seeing them live and blasting out their tunes. Its a shame but i would have loved Liam to sing everybodys on the run or if i had a gun. Would have been amazing.
But back to Beady Eye, again the lyrics arent stunning but theres some good tunes i've heard so far on this album and i'm looking forward to getting the proper album soon.
But people just seem to want to bitch and moan about lyrics or certain guitar bits or even how Liam says 'man' on one song. I mean come on.
Its good this forum wasnt around in early 90's as i'm sure people would have moaned at the lyrics on DM like anything
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 28, 2013 10:39:25 GMT -5
I also think the quality of the leak plays a huge part on peoples receiption. All this build up and then you end up here with this beneath tape quality leak, you can't resist. Most of us might have envisioned this quite differently.
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Post by oneeye on May 28, 2013 10:41:19 GMT -5
You will find most the critics out there and on this forum, tend to be the ones who think and expect every new song to sound like Wonderwall or Slide Away?
Some people cant comprehend the difference.
That's why Noel had plenty of success with High Flying Birds, there were spngs on there which were instantly likable, catchy lyrics and sound - which the general public and commercials love.
With Beady Eye, a liitle more effort is required to understand it, some parts of BE arent so instant.
Patience is always required to truely judge whether an album is good or not.
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Post by capanb2013 on May 28, 2013 10:48:40 GMT -5
You will find most the critics out there and on this forum, tend to be the ones who think and expect every new song to sound like Wonderwall or Slide Away? Some people cant comprehend the difference. That's why Noel had plenty of success with High Flying Birds, there were spngs on there which were instantly likable, catchy lyrics and sound - which the general public and commercials love. With Beady Eye, a liitle more effort is required to understand it, some parts of BE arent so instant. Patience is always required to truely judge whether an album is good or not. I did not need any effort to like most of DGSS. It is not a problem of being instant or not, it is a problem of having good songs or not having them. This album has too many fillers, that's all
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Post by oneeye on May 28, 2013 10:55:54 GMT -5
You will find most the critics out there and on this forum, tend to be the ones who think and expect every new song to sound like Wonderwall or Slide Away? Some people cant comprehend the difference. That's why Noel had plenty of success with High Flying Birds, there were spngs on there which were instantly likable, catchy lyrics and sound - which the general public and commercials love. With Beady Eye, a liitle more effort is required to understand it, some parts of BE arent so instant. Patience is always required to truely judge whether an album is good or not. I did not need any effort to like most of DGSS. It is not a problem of being instant or not, it is a problem of having good songs or not having them. This album has too many fillers, that's all You missed my point. Noel is more commercial pop. Thats why his music has been used in countless adverts.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 28, 2013 10:58:16 GMT -5
I do prefer Noel be because he is a genius in every regard. But I want BDI to be equally and good and really want to see them succeed.
I think your theory - which is banded around by the die hard BDI fans on here - is unfounded, wrong, and off base.
The thing with BDI is that the band are musically amazing - Gem is fucking brilliant on the guitar (NGHFB's really miss him, desperately), and Liam's vocals, when on form, is top. They have so much energy (NGHFB is an incredible album, but it does plod along) and they are in it for the right reasons - you can see that they are still mad fer it.
And we've seen LAG come out with some good songs for Oasis - BOADC, TUTS, KTDA, SB, etc.
So they are so capable when you take all of the above into consideration but BDI continually fall short. Sonically and musically are fine but we all know they can do much much better with songwriting, because they've done it in Oasis. That is where the frustration lies.
No one on here wants BDI to fail, but it is evidently clear they miss Noel.
But taking a little more time to improve their lyrics and songs in general is all that's needed.
(I have my own theory about why BDI are like how they are and I'll make a thread about that soon)
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Post by dreamweaver on May 28, 2013 11:01:46 GMT -5
All I can say is that I remember the real drop in mood on these boards when Second Bite of the Apple 1st got played, and then the almost euphoric response to the French Radio acoustic session where even SBOTA got a new lease of life. Like Football fans it appears that sometimes we are fickle too, if soul Love sounds epic on XFM tonight and then BDI tear the roof off Jools Hollands studio tomorrow and Liam has a good night vocally then the mood will be right up there again.......... Or we could be in for a 2nd night at Wembley again
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Post by Bruno on May 28, 2013 11:02:06 GMT -5
I love the High Flying Birds album, but I fail to see how the people on this forum who are so relentless in their criticism of Beady Eye's lyrics but they can't see lyrics like, ' I'm gonna take that tiger outside for a ride' or the constant repetitions of ' What A Life...' by Noel. These same people go after Liam and Co. for these same things but when it comes to Noel, nope there's nothing wrong with it. I personally love both Different Gear, Still Speeding and the High Flying Birds album equally but I can't stand people who criticize Beady Eye for one thing and make silly excuses when those same things are done by Noel. There are people on this forum who don't have a single nice thing to say about BE, just constant and unrelenting criticism of the band on things that Noel's also done, but not a word is said against him. Then they say it's an opinion that their voicing, nope sorry you can spin it however you like but in my book that's trolling and nothing less. Obviously Beady Eye aren't as naturally gifted as Noel in terms of their songwriting ability but most people aren't even ready to give them a fair chance, there will always be something that they'll find to criticize like Liam sounds too nasally or Andy has no attitude or that tambourine was to low in the mix, stupid shit is basically what I'm trying to say. But I guess you get used to it after a while, not much that can be done.
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Post by psj3809 on May 28, 2013 11:08:39 GMT -5
This album has too many fillers, that's all But thats a bit ridiculous. We've had the leak for one day and its an awful leak (better than nothing), but we need to be patient, i'm not saying its full of great songs, not saying its full of terrible ones. We've heard some bad mobile phone recordings of the album. You cant make up your mind yet. Lets wait till we get the album in our hands then after a week post about if we still think its the same etc. Cant believe people are judging so much on these poor recordings.
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Post by capanb2013 on May 28, 2013 11:26:00 GMT -5
This album has too many fillers, that's all But thats a bit ridiculous. We've had the leak for one day and its an awful leak (better than nothing), but we need to be patient, i'm not saying its full of great songs, not saying its full of terrible ones. We've heard some bad mobile phone recordings of the album. You cant make up your mind yet. Lets wait till we get the album in our hands then after a week post about if we still think its the same etc. Cant believe people are judging so much on these poor recordings. Well, I hope you are right. But my impression right now is that a good recording will not change much.
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Post by spaneli on May 28, 2013 11:34:01 GMT -5
I love the High Flying Birds album, but I fail to see how the people on this forum who are so relentless in their criticism of Beady Eye's lyrics but they can't see lyrics like, ' I'm gonna take that tiger outside for a ride' or the constant repetitions of ' What A Life...' by Noel. These same people go after Liam and Co. for these same things but when it comes to Noel, nope there's nothing wrong with it. I personally love both Different Gear, Still Speeding and the High Flying Birds album equally but I can't stand people who criticize Beady Eye for one thing and make silly excuses when those same things are done by Noel. There are people on this forum who don't have a single nice thing to say about BE, just constant and unrelenting criticism of the band on things that Noel's also done, but not a word is said against him. Then they say it's an opinion that their voicing, nope sorry you can spin it however you like but in my book that's trolling and nothing less. Obviously Beady Eye aren't as naturally gifted as Noel in terms of their songwriting ability but most people aren't even ready to give them a fair chance, there will always be something that they'll find to criticize like Liam sounds too nasally or Andy has no attitude or that tambourine was to low in the mix, stupid shit is basically what I'm trying to say. But I guess you get used to it after a while, not much that can be done. To be honest, WAL's lyrics are extremely repetitive. It's especially apparent in the AA mix. I do love the lines: "Over the sunset on the horizon, maybe you dream, but it tastes like poison" and "Someday you might find your hero. Some say, you might lose you mind". And I believe many complained about the overly cliche lyrics on IIHAG. Most of the complaints of certain members complaining about Liam in one particular area, but not Noel are unfounded in my opinion. If you actually go and look in the Noel section, every thread isn't filled with people worshiping him. There are plenty with fans complaining about production, Liam sounding better on particular songs, tracklisting, the songs plodding nature ect. I think the main issue is the board and fans are better equipped to criticize Noel because there is nearly two decades worth of his work (there's plenty to love, there's plenty to hate, there are plenty of instances where people complain about his poor lyrics, but plenty of great lyrics). But if you look at the sample size of LAG with album tracks and b-sides it's literally only two albums worth (if you're only counting Oasis era). And their songs from Oasis never received as much scrutiny and were at least half of the time at a very good quality. It's only been recently that fans have taken a harder line on Beady Eye because they aren't just providing b-sides or hopefully solid album tracks to back-up Noel's songs, but they are the main attraction. So obviously there will be more analyzing of them and more criticism. People criticize Noel's musical decisions all the time on here, but they don't receive as much fan fare. Whereas it seems every criticism of Beady Eye is almost always seen as people hating on Beady Eye or not giving them a chance and some of the criticism of them is legitimate. People are used to criticizing Noel's tracklisting decisions, quotes, lyrics, and song quality. For some there's near tow decades worth of experience in that. I just think in the end, the board is still not used to criticizing LAG as artists because it used to be that whatever they provided was an extra treat or gravy on already great singles. It's not as used to it as it is toward criticizing Noel. And I think that's why some of the complaints seem like attacks when they are legitimate complaints. But I think trolls invade here because it's easy. It's easy to be painted as a hater and given attention. It's easy to get under the skin of fans, especially when some already feel as if there has been "unfair" criticism of Beady Eye. There is an environment where trolling is made simple in the BDI section, that's not as apparent in the Noel section and I think some of it is because of the above reasons. Again, using one of your posts as a jumping off point
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Post by Mr. Sifter on May 28, 2013 11:37:22 GMT -5
I like most of what I've heard so far, but I'm gonna hold off on saying it's great or horrible before hearing a good rip. All I know is I liked most of DGSS when it got released but I didn't start loving a lot of the songs until we got to hear them live. I have a feeling it will be the same with this release. There's just something with LGs vocals live and the band as a whole, I don't know.. I just like it better. I mean I probably listen to wigwam (DGSS version) once for every 30 times I listen to a live recording of it. Same with most songs on DGSS, and oasis too tbf.
But the fave so far is definitely Soul Love for me, I can't wait to listen to the deluxe album in full
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Post by psj3809 on May 28, 2013 11:41:30 GMT -5
I like most of what I've heard so far, but I'm gonna hold off on saying it's great or horrible before hearing a good rip. All I know is I liked most of DGSS when it got released but I didn't start loving a lot of the songs until we got to hear them live. I have a feeling it will be the same with this release. There's just something with LGs vocals live and the band as a whole, I don't know.. I just like it better. I mean I probably listen to wigwam (DGSS version) once for every 30 times I listen to a live recording of it. Same with most songs on DGSS, and oasis too tbf. But the fave so far is definitely Soul Love for me, I can't wait to listen to the deluxe album in full Great point. Saw Beady Eye 4 times and like you say its totally different hearing the songs live, you get to like some others you werent keen on before. Going to see Beady Eye in Manchester in a fortnight, cant wait to hear the songs then
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Post by Bruno on May 28, 2013 11:43:46 GMT -5
I love the High Flying Birds album, but I fail to see how the people on this forum who are so relentless in their criticism of Beady Eye's lyrics but they can't see lyrics like, ' I'm gonna take that tiger outside for a ride' or the constant repetitions of ' What A Life...' by Noel. These same people go after Liam and Co. for these same things but when it comes to Noel, nope there's nothing wrong with it. I personally love both Different Gear, Still Speeding and the High Flying Birds album equally but I can't stand people who criticize Beady Eye for one thing and make silly excuses when those same things are done by Noel. There are people on this forum who don't have a single nice thing to say about BE, just constant and unrelenting criticism of the band on things that Noel's also done, but not a word is said against him. Then they say it's an opinion that their voicing, nope sorry you can spin it however you like but in my book that's trolling and nothing less. Obviously Beady Eye aren't as naturally gifted as Noel in terms of their songwriting ability but most people aren't even ready to give them a fair chance, there will always be something that they'll find to criticize like Liam sounds too nasally or Andy has no attitude or that tambourine was to low in the mix, stupid shit is basically what I'm trying to say. But I guess you get used to it after a while, not much that can be done. To be honest, WAL's lyrics are extremely repetitive. It's especially apparent in the AA mix. I do love the lines: "Over the sunset on the horizon, maybe you dream, but it tastes like poison" and "Someday you might find your hero. Some say, you might lose you mind". And I believe many complained about the overly cliche lyrics on IIHAG. Most of the complaints of certain members complaining about Liam in one particular area, but not Noel are unfounded in my opinion. If you actually go and look in the Noel section, every thread isn't filled with people worshiping him. There are plenty with fans complaining about production, Liam sounding better on particular songs, tracklisting, the songs plodding nature ect. I think the main issue is the board and fans are better equipped to criticize Noel because there is nearly two decades worth of his work (there's plenty to love, there's plenty to hate, there are plenty of instances where people complain about his poor lyrics, but plenty of great lyrics). But if you look at the sample size of LAG with album tracks and b-sides it's literally only two albums worth (if you're only counting Oasis era). And their songs from Oasis never received as much scrutiny and were at least half of the time at a very good quality. It's only been recently that fans have taken a harder line on Beady Eye because they aren't just providing b-sides or hopefully solid album tracks to back-up Noel's songs, but they are the main attraction. So obviously there will be more analyzing of them and more criticism. People criticize Noel's musical decisions all the time on here, but they don't receive as much fan fare. Whereas it seems every criticism of Beady Eye is almost always seen as people hating on Beady Eye or not giving them a chance and some of the criticism of them is legitimate. People are used to criticizing Noel's tracklisting decisions, quotes, lyrics, and song quality. For some there's near tow decades worth of experience in that. I just think in the end, the board is still not used to criticizing LAG as artists because it used to be that whatever they provided was an extra treat or gravy on already great singles. It's not as used to it as it is toward criticizing Noel. And I think that's why some of the complaints seem like attacks when they are legitimate complaints. But I think trolls invade here because it's easy. It's easy to be painted as a hater and given attention. It's easy to get under the skin of fans, especially when some already feel as if there has been "unfair" criticism of Beady Eye. There is an environment where trolling is made simple in the BDI section, that's not as apparent in the Noel section and I think some of it is because of the above reasons. Again, using one of your posts as a jumping off point The difference between criticisms of Noel and Beady Eye is that Noel's criticism is on legitimate points by fans, whereas people who don't like BE at all find the need to constantly point out what a 'shit' band they are. Go through any of the threads on Beady Eye, I'm sure you'll see what I'm talking about. Again, using one of your posts as a jumping off point Haha, no worries mate.
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