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Post by downer on Jan 2, 2013 20:47:36 GMT -5
So, you mean back to the topic why Liam is not impressed about Noel? :-D I think thats because he hates him. Like the half of us who blame him for ruining OASIS. Oh and i think this forum is not gonna change soon, if the brothers will continue to act like this. There still will be bitter in us for loosing such a band and, with the sugar on top, we have to listen our favourite singer and our favourite songwritter throwing shit on one another:-( i think, this will not get better, not anytime soon. i am sad, like, probably most of us. But we should do something. We should probably hug one another, even Let It Bleed, and try to come up with something, how to stop these fights.
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Post by mistakenidentity on Jan 2, 2013 22:30:51 GMT -5
We all know Noel has sold more albums than Beady Eye and is popular/successful (especially in the UK), but Liam is right when he says Noel has not "lit up the world." It seems like Liam is comparing Noel's achievements to that of Oasis and that's why he is not impressed. It's unfair to do that, but I get what he is saying.
Anyone have the worldwide sales figures for Beady Eye and Noel's albums? Serious question, btw.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 2, 2013 22:55:16 GMT -5
We all know Noel has sold more albums than Beady Eye and is popular/successful (especially in the UK), but Liam is right when he says Noel has not "lit up the world." It seems like Liam is comparing Noel's achievements to that of Oasis and that's why he is not impressed. It's unfair to do that, but I get what he is saying. Anyone have the worldwide sales figures for Beady Eye and Noel's albums? Serious question, btw. DOYS ~ 1.4 million HFB ~ 1.1-1.2 million DGSS ~ 450K Noel has been massive in the UK and Ireland comparable to a post BHN Oasis. In the rest of the world he's roughly comparable to BDI selling about 1/2 of what Oasis did.
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Post by mezmerised on Jan 22, 2013 4:19:49 GMT -5
We all know Noel has sold more albums than Beady Eye and is popular/successful (especially in the UK), but Liam is right when he says Noel has not "lit up the world." It seems like Liam is comparing Noel's achievements to that of Oasis and that's why he is not impressed. It's unfair to do that, but I get what he is saying. Anyone have the worldwide sales figures for Beady Eye and Noel's albums? Serious question, btw. DOYS ~ 1.4 million HFB ~ 1.1-1.2 million DGSS ~ 450K Noel has been massive in the UK and Ireland comparable to a post BHN Oasis. In the rest of the world he's roughly comparable to BDI selling about 1/2 of what Oasis did. Without any facts to back this up I kind of believe that people who bought Noel's solo album but didn't buy Beady Eye's are the same people who also own Coldplay or Snow Patrol albums. I don't even mean that as a diss (I like songs from both bands), it's just a fact that these are bands who sell a lot of records but wouldn't be described as bands who "light up someone's world". When DGSS and NGHFB had just come out I preferred HFB bcause the album was more coherent and had better melodies. But now the only song that still sticks with me is The Death Of You And Me. From DGSS it's Four Letter Word so in that respect they are equal but I'm more disappointed with Noel, since my expectations for his album were higher. I think the main flaw of HFB and the reason that it's not really memorable (at least for me) is that the songs are not really about anything. I never had a problem with Noel's more oblique lyrics before but now I think that what gave them more meaning than what was actually there had a lot to do with the way Liam sang them. IMO Noel hasn't written truly heartfelt lyrics since BHN and if one believes Alan McGee then many songs from DM, MG, TM and the other bsides of that era were already written before Oasis even had a record deal which means that Noel has written most of his really personal songs that turned out to be hits before he got famous. I wish he had the guts to release something more personal now because he used to be so great at it in the early/mid 90s. And his first album as a solo artist would have been a brilliant opportunity for that but apart from maybe TDOYAM I don't really hear it on his album. I think the melody of If I Had A Gun is beautiful but if you compare the lyrics to songs like Slide Away it doesn't hold up well. EOTR sounds big and majestic but it would also fit on a Coldplay album. Broken Arrow is a nice song but it doesn't really mean anything, What A Life is a cool new direction for Noel but how many people will be able to sing along to it in 5 years time? Or even today? ... Also, even though it's useless to speculate about it, I believe songs like Record Machine, EOTR or Stranded... would have sounded much better with Liam as the singer. Because Liam has a talent for turning Noel's average songs into good songs and his great songs into amazing songs. With Beady Eye the problem was that the melodies often sounded a bit unfinished or repetitive and the songs were not super original but at least you could tell what LAG felt like at the time (mainly preoccupied with break-ups and new beginnings, maybe even too much so). Although what annoyed me most about their album was actually Liam's voice or rather the way they recorded it. It sounded way to processed and not really like him anymore. So, as far as I'm concerned the spirit and the "be-true-to-yourself" vibe of Oasis went with Liam and the great melodies, the composing and recording talent went with Noel. Neither of their new bands has "lit up my world" the way Oasis did and Noel's album probably got more praise than it deserved because it is a bad time for rock music and everybody in the industry was glad that at least one rock icon was selling well in the UK.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 22, 2013 11:52:10 GMT -5
I disagree fundamentally in that I always found that Noel singing his own lyrics generally imbued them with more meaning to my ears since he actually knew what he was singing about rather than less. Liam is powerful and unique but generally I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion an meaning to a song that isn't his own. But that's just me Idlers Dream is one of Noel's most heartfelt songs ever and it's post BHN. I don't have an major issue with a lack of personal connect to his HFB lyrics. He's never done anything better that Slide Away IMHO so that's a moot point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 11:56:08 GMT -5
I disagree fundamentally in that I always found that Noel singing his own lyrics generally imbued them with more meaning to my ears since he actually knew what he was singing about rather than less. Liam is powerful and unique but generally I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion to a song. But that's just me Idlers Dream is one of Noel's most heartfelt songs ever and it's post BHN. I don't have an major issue with a lack of personal connect to his HFB lyrics. He's never done anything better that Slide Away IMHO so that's a moot point. I kind of agree with this, on Wonderwall Liam always nailed the vocals but with Noel it always seemed like he poured his heart into it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 11:59:00 GMT -5
I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion an meaning to a song that isn't his own. Liam's version of Don't Go Away is far superior to Noel's acoustic versions imo
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Post by Bruno on Jan 22, 2013 12:08:40 GMT -5
I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion an meaning to a song that isn't his own. Liam's version of Don't Go Away is far superior to Noel's acoustic versions imo I agree...I love that song and especially Liam's original version.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 13:03:45 GMT -5
I think the main flaw of HFB and the reason that it's not really memorable (at least for me) is that the songs are not really about anything. I never had a problem with Noel's more oblique lyrics before but now I think that what gave them more meaning than what was actually there had a lot to do with the way Liam sang them. With Beady Eye the problem was that the melodies often sounded a bit unfinished or repetitive and the songs were not super original but at least you could tell what LAG felt like at the time (mainly preoccupied with break-ups and new beginnings, maybe even too much so). great post, you nailed this. I love Noel, his songs, his lyrics, his voice, it does things to me lol. But I don't feel like they're much of a window to his life, even the ones he wrote for Sara (IIHAG) still have a generic quality. Beady Eye's songs may not compare musically, production-wise, whatever, but Liam gives you a sense of what he's feeling. DGSS is very relevant to the moment, the breakup of Oasis and starting fresh and seeing where it takes them. NGHFB sounds more like polishing up the archives of a brilliant musician, still beautiful but not so relevant to the moment.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jan 22, 2013 14:10:04 GMT -5
mezmerised hit the nail on the head with that post. Agree with everything you said. Imagine Liam singing 'The Wrong Beach' - It would've been the first single off the next Oasis album. Great song but Liam would've propelled it to an amazing song.
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Post by Rolo on Jan 22, 2013 14:18:16 GMT -5
I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion an meaning to a song that isn't his own. Liam's version of Don't Go Away is far superior to Noel's acoustic versions imo Wasn't Liam crying while recording the vocal for this in the studio? I'm sure I read that somewhere. Think that tells you he does have the passion.
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Post by Jim on Jan 22, 2013 14:55:28 GMT -5
I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion an meaning to a song that isn't his own. Am I reading this right? Liam Gallagher doesn't show emotion while singing a song he didn't write......? Did you ever see Oasis or Beady Eye for that matter live? The boy gave it everything he had when singing any song, wither it have been a Noel, Gem, Andy song or any of the covers over the years. Even in the making of Scorpio Rising in the studio video by Death In Vegas he put emotion and passion into it.
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Post by Rolo on Jan 22, 2013 14:59:35 GMT -5
I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion an meaning to a song that isn't his own. Am I reading this right? Liam Gallagher doesn't show emotion while singing a song he didn't write......? Did you ever see Oasis or Beady Eye for that matter live? The boy gave it everything he had when singing any song, wither it have been a Noel, Gem, Andy song or any of the covers over the years. Even in the making of Scorpio Rising in the studio video by Death In Vegas he put emotion and passion into it. This.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 15:59:31 GMT -5
I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion an meaning to a song that isn't his own. Am I reading this right? Liam Gallagher doesn't show emotion while singing a song he didn't write......? Did you ever see Oasis or Beady Eye for that matter live? The boy gave it everything he had when singing any song, wither it have been a Noel, Gem, Andy song or any of the covers over the years. Even in the making of Scorpio Rising in the studio video by Death In Vegas he put emotion and passion into it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 19:19:17 GMT -5
I view one of his shortcomings being in his ability to impart emotion an meaning to a song that isn't his own. Am I reading this right? Liam Gallagher doesn't show emotion while singing a song he didn't write......? Did you ever see Oasis or Beady Eye for that matter live? The boy gave it everything he had when singing any song, wither it have been a Noel, Gem, Andy song or any of the covers over the years. Even in the making of Scorpio Rising in the studio video by Death In Vegas he put emotion and passion into it. Yep, which is why he is still one of the best frontmen out there despite his vocal shortcomings. Now if he could stick that emotion into his own songwriting... That'd be the ticket.
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Post by olesiadudnik on Jan 22, 2013 22:38:25 GMT -5
Ha, you can see where her allegiance lie.
What a transparent little buzzard.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 22:44:11 GMT -5
mezmerised hit the nail on the head with that post. Agree with everything you said. Imagine Liam singing 'The Wrong Beach' - It would've been the first single off the next Oasis album. Great song but Liam would've propelled it to an amazing song. Didn't Noel say in one of his HFB interviews that SOTWB had been kicking around since the time of DOYS but Liam couldn't nail it during rehearsals so they ditched it? I could have sworn I heard him say this in an interview. I could be mistaken.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jan 22, 2013 22:50:24 GMT -5
Liam couldn't hit or hold most of the notes on The HFB's album these days, that's not a slight, it's a fact. he'd sound good on Record Machine, maybe.
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 23:08:44 GMT -5
Liam couldn't hit or hold most of the notes on The HFB's album these days, that's not a slight, it's a fact. he'd sound good on Record Machine, maybe. God bless. i think in the studio (with lots of post-production and trickery), he could. i point to the album version of 'for anyone' and his falsetto on the album version of 'wigwam' as exhibits a & b. aloha!
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Post by olesiadudnik on Jan 22, 2013 23:10:07 GMT -5
...And let's call the whole thing off!!
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jan 22, 2013 23:29:06 GMT -5
Liam couldn't hit or hold most of the notes on The HFB's album these days, that's not a slight, it's a fact. he'd sound good on Record Machine, maybe. God bless. i think in the studio (with lots of post-production and trickery), he could. i point to the album version of 'for anyone' and his falsetto on the album version of 'wigwam' as exhibits a & b. aloha! aloha!
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Post by olesiadudnik on Jan 22, 2013 23:37:07 GMT -5
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 10:20:54 GMT -5
Liam's version of Don't Go Away is far superior to Noel's acoustic versions imo Wasn't Liam crying while recording the vocal for this in the studio? I'm sure I read that somewhere. Think that tells you he does have the passion. Yeh he failed it a few times because he kept crying and then he said he had to get himself together to sing it no doubt because Peggy Gallagher was rushed to hospital around that time with suspected cancer
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 10:22:30 GMT -5
Am I reading this right? Liam Gallagher doesn't show emotion while singing a song he didn't write......? Did you ever see Oasis or Beady Eye for that matter live? The boy gave it everything he had when singing any song, wither it have been a Noel, Gem, Andy song or any of the covers over the years. Even in the making of Scorpio Rising in the studio video by Death In Vegas he put emotion and passion into it. Yep, which is why he is still one of the best frontmen out there despite his vocal shortcomings. Now if he could stick that emotion into his own songwriting... That'd be the ticket.
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Post by vespa on Jan 25, 2013 11:29:46 GMT -5
liam shows more emotion than any other singer i see,just cos hes not dancing round and stuff the passion that he throws into a vocal especially live is partially what knackered his voice abit.noels success shouldve been expected really no matter people think of albums after be here now hes always constantly penned good songs and always wrote 1 or 2 gems for each album,dgss was rushed and you could tell on some of the songs but it was still a solid album.also the opinion of people about liam is way off,you ask people that have met him,or met his family the guy is very mislead in the press,hes a very down to earth and good guy,got passion for what he does,he aint this loud mouth thug people think!him and noel only abuse others in the press as a joke mostly and to wind things up,its called publicity
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