hugose
Madferrit Fan
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Post by hugose on Aug 23, 2012 6:44:32 GMT -5
I think the main probleme is that there is not a lot of active users around here, and most of them prefer Noel. Then, every time BDI is doing something, they start moaning about Liam's voice, about BDI songwritting, that Noel is God, Noel is Oasis etc, that Andy is a c*unt or whatever. On the other hand, when I've arrived I've seen people including me called retard or stupid , for not liking some crappy live performance of HFB or not liking a commercial decision around Noel, and the minute someone said anything a little negative about Noel, the person get slated. So eventually, the user who prefers Liam have started to fight back at arrogant people like GD or spanelli, that's wat I've done. Then, there is the fact that every Noel's fan isn't acting like an Oasis fan when they slate everything BDI does for no reason. And they're really hypocrite around that. Noel sings bad at a show ? it doesn't matter, he's god. Liam sings bad at a show ? well 9 pages of Kermit the frog Noel doing the x factor? Great exposure, so great news not at all selling out. BDI doing the olympics aka Oasis singer singing Oasis biggest hit? Morally wrong, how could they? And then there's all this "Liam is a twat" nonsense, ignoring that Noel is one two sometimes. And all those "Andy is a tawt" just because Noel doesn't like him when poor Andy has never done anyting wrong. Sorry, the world of Oasis fan you're dreaming will happen if everybody accepts that both side projects have flaws, that we can like some stuff ad critisize some stuff, but that in the end, we don't have to hate one or another because we prefer the other one. BDI is pretty shit though tbf
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Post by RocketMan on Aug 23, 2012 8:19:39 GMT -5
I think the main probleme is that there is not a lot of active users around here, and most of them prefer Noel. Then, every time BDI is doing something, they start moaning about Liam's voice, about BDI songwritting, that Noel is God, Noel is Oasis etc, that Andy is a c*unt or whatever. On the other hand, when I've arrived I've seen people including me called retard or stupid , for not liking some crappy live performance of HFB or not liking a commercial decision around Noel, and the minute someone said anything a little negative about Noel, the person get slated. So eventually, the user who prefers Liam have started to fight back at arrogant people like GD or spanelli, that's wat I've done. Then, there is the fact that every Noel's fan isn't acting like an Oasis fan when they slate everything BDI does for no reason. And they're really hypocrite around that. Noel sings bad at a show ? it doesn't matter, he's god. Liam sings bad at a show ? well 9 pages of Kermit the frog Noel doing the x factor? Great exposure, so great news not at all selling out. BDI doing the olympics aka Oasis singer singing Oasis biggest hit? Morally wrong, how could they? And then there's all this "Liam is a twat" nonsense, ignoring that Noel is one two sometimes. And all those "Andy is a tawt" just because Noel doesn't like him when poor Andy has never done anyting wrong. Sorry, the world of Oasis fan you're dreaming will happen if everybody accepts that both side projects have flaws, that we can like some stuff ad critisize some stuff, but that in the end, we don't have to hate one or another because we prefer the other one. BDI is pretty shit though tbf you pwnd this whole essay ;D
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Post by deasy on Aug 23, 2012 8:19:59 GMT -5
every time BDI is doing something, they start moaning about Liam's voice, about BDI songwritting, that Noel is God, Noel is Oasis etc, that Andy is a c*unt or whatever. On the other hand, when I've arrived I've seen people including me called retard or stupid , for not liking some crappy live performance of HFB or not liking a commercial decision around Noel, and the minute someone said anything a little negative about Noel, the person get slated. So eventually, the user who prefers Liam have started to fight back at arrogant people like GD or spanelli, that's wat I've done. Then, there is the fact that every Noel's fan isn't acting like an Oasis fan when they slate everything BDI does for no reason. And they're really hypocrite around that. Noel sings bad at a show ? it doesn't matter, he's god. Liam sings bad at a show ? well 9 pages of Kermit the frog Noel doing the x factor? Great exposure, so great news not at all selling out. BDI doing the olympics aka Oasis singer singing Oasis biggest hit? Morally wrong, how could they? You do realise that you do all this only in reverse, yes? Noel does a US Tour with Snow Patrol, you say he is selling out. BDI play Wonderwall at the Olympics after the Spice Girls, you say its great. Liam doesn't sing great at a gig, you complain about people complaining. Noel doesn't sing great at a gig, you call him boring, uninteresting and not a great singer. Honestly, what you are saying works in logic...except for the fact that you do the exact stuff you are complaining about. All the time.All these complaints being made lately would be a lot more valid if the people doing the complaining weren't doing the same thing.
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Post by Rifles on Aug 23, 2012 8:26:20 GMT -5
Let's all have an honest, open discussion with the intent of becoming better members and a better overall community...and let's start with deasy's post because that shit is spot on.
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Post by leak4ever on Aug 23, 2012 8:36:33 GMT -5
Somethings are opinion. Whether you prefer Liam or Noel, whether you think they've sold out etc. That's all opinion.
But somethings are fact. Liam led to the downfall of Oasis. That is fact:
"Our relationship was never as bad as people made out, but it all started to unravel when he [Liam] launched his own [designer clothes] label and he decided that the Oasis tour program was where he could advertise it. I didn't think it was right for him to be flogging his gear to our fans. There was a massive fight about that."
That's why Liam is an utter twat. Because he put his own interests above that of the band or the fans.
That's why there is resentment towards Liam, so there is will always be this Noel vs Liam issue. It's not the fans fault, it's Liam's fault.
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Post by truefaith on Aug 23, 2012 8:39:00 GMT -5
every time BDI is doing something, they start moaning about Liam's voice, about BDI songwritting, that Noel is God, Noel is Oasis etc, that Andy is a c*unt or whatever. On the other hand, when I've arrived I've seen people including me called retard or stupid , for not liking some crappy live performance of HFB or not liking a commercial decision around Noel, and the minute someone said anything a little negative about Noel, the person get slated. So eventually, the user who prefers Liam have started to fight back at arrogant people like GD or spanelli, that's wat I've done. Then, there is the fact that every Noel's fan isn't acting like an Oasis fan when they slate everything BDI does for no reason. And they're really hypocrite around that. Noel sings bad at a show ? it doesn't matter, he's god. Liam sings bad at a show ? well 9 pages of Kermit the frog Noel doing the x factor? Great exposure, so great news not at all selling out. BDI doing the olympics aka Oasis singer singing Oasis biggest hit? Morally wrong, how could they? You do realise that you do all this only in reverse, yes? Noel does a US Tour with Snow Patrol, you say he is selling out. BDI play Wonderwall at the Olympics after the Spice Girls, you say its great. Liam doesn't sing great at a gig, you complain about people complaining. Noel doesn't sing great at a gig, you call him boring, uninteresting and not a great singer. Honestly, what you are saying works in logic...except for the fact that you do the exact stuff you are complaining about. All the time.[/u
All these complaints being made lately would be a lot more valid if the people doing the complaining weren't doing the same thing.
I'm allowed to critisize Noel if I think his band doesn't sound great or he doesn't sound great. Just like people can critisize BDI. It's the hypocrisie around it that is boring. I don't critisize EVERYTHING noel does, I like his music, I like the acoustic show, I like the new songs, I'm waiting for the demo and I'll buy the dvd. On the other hand, every time BDI does something there is always some twat explaining how shit they are, how Noel is god, how they can't write a good song, how they have no right to play Oasis song and others bs... They never have anything posistive to say about BDI and yet they're posting all the time with a lot of comptempt like BDI are a bunch of nobody. Bdi it's fucking Oasis members. If you don't like it move on, but don't post every single time to say "Liam is a twat", or "Liam miss the unplugged" WFT is that? Don't post that they're average songwritter and you know it because you kow what is a good song and you've wrote some good song and nobody else can if they're not songwritter like dear Spanelli. How much arrogant can someone be? and so on, and so on.
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Post by eva on Aug 23, 2012 8:43:58 GMT -5
oh my fucking God. it's the same thing over and over again. Can we please get out of this Liam vs Noel cicle? Every fucking thread. Then you complain why they end up in playpen All these complaints being made lately would be a lot more valid if the people doing the complaining weren't doing the same thing. This. Exactly.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Aug 23, 2012 8:44:53 GMT -5
besides stopping all the petty arguments i think we need to implement random drug testing because truefaith is obviously on some crazy drugs.
i'm Let It Bleed and i approve my message.
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Post by truefaith on Aug 23, 2012 8:55:11 GMT -5
oh my fucking God. it's the same thing over and over again. Can we please get out of this Liam vs Noel cicle? Every fucking thread. Then you complain why they end up in playpen I'm poiting the probleme here, leak4ever is part of it with his last post. And you're attacking me? Just ignore the probleme won't solve it, pointing it is better.
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Post by kenneth on Aug 23, 2012 8:58:46 GMT -5
To this forum! I used to love coming on here to read rumours,stories,opinions etc but now it is just a free for all! Not in a good way though, it would be nice to come on and see the Liam fans and neutrals giving opinions fact n all that on the Beady Eye part and the Noel fans and neutrals on the HFB part! As soon as something is mentioned about Liam,BOOM 'Noel is better' don't know if it's the same on the Noel pages because it doesn't interest me, it's unfair on people who want to discuss certain topics, if you haven't got anything productive to say on the matter just leave it, it's just leaves bad reading all the negativity! The Noel fans are obviously always going to back Noel but do it on the Noel pages, save as for Liam fans like myself I would never go on the HFB pages to slate him, what would be the point! Would be nice to see some decent topics been brought up for discussion without all the hate and narrow minded ness! Very good post, and one of the main reasons I've stopped posting here. That, and the fact there are to many know-it-all here as well. Ugh! I will say though, I've met some amazing people here, which I'm really thankful for (Yes, you know who you are my brazillian, and canadian friends ) I still read here, for news and rumours though.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 23, 2012 9:10:10 GMT -5
every time BDI is doing something, they start moaning about Liam's voice, about BDI songwritting, that Noel is God, Noel is Oasis etc, that Andy is a c*unt or whatever. On the other hand, when I've arrived I've seen people including me called retard or stupid , for not liking some crappy live performance of HFB or not liking a commercial decision around Noel, and the minute someone said anything a little negative about Noel, the person get slated. So eventually, the user who prefers Liam have started to fight back at arrogant people like GD or spanelli, that's wat I've done. Then, there is the fact that every Noel's fan isn't acting like an Oasis fan when they slate everything BDI does for no reason. And they're really hypocrite around that. Noel sings bad at a show ? it doesn't matter, he's god. Liam sings bad at a show ? well 9 pages of Kermit the frog Noel doing the x factor? Great exposure, so great news not at all selling out. BDI doing the olympics aka Oasis singer singing Oasis biggest hit? Morally wrong, how could they? You do realise that you do all this only in reverse, yes? Noel does a US Tour with Snow Patrol, you say he is selling out. BDI play Wonderwall at the Olympics after the Spice Girls, you say its great. Liam doesn't sing great at a gig, you complain about people complaining. Noel doesn't sing great at a gig, you call him boring, uninteresting and not a great singer. Honestly, what you are saying works in logic...except for the fact that you do the exact stuff you are complaining about. All the time.All these complaints being made lately would be a lot more valid if the people doing the complaining weren't doing the same thing. You could have picked anything, but the Noel/Snow Patrol, BE/Olympics is a pretty poor comparison. The thing you leave out, which is essentially the biggest problem here is that people like me and Rolo (for example, there are others too) while bigger fans of BE have no interest in posting repeatedly in the Noel in a effort to wind people up. I rarely go there, people know my opinion theres no need for me to continually repeat it. Things are not equal between the two sections there are more fans of Noel and seemingly more people who come in here with no intention other than to get a rise. leak4ever, hugose, two of the latest examples are simply allowed to run riot and its basically rendered this section unreadable. No one is doing anything about it.
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Post by leak4ever on Aug 23, 2012 9:33:07 GMT -5
You do realise that you do all this only in reverse, yes? Noel does a US Tour with Snow Patrol, you say he is selling out. BDI play Wonderwall at the Olympics after the Spice Girls, you say its great. Liam doesn't sing great at a gig, you complain about people complaining. Noel doesn't sing great at a gig, you call him boring, uninteresting and not a great singer. Honestly, what you are saying works in logic...except for the fact that you do the exact stuff you are complaining about. All the time.All these complaints being made lately would be a lot more valid if the people doing the complaining weren't doing the same thing. leak4ever, hugose, two of the latest examples are simply allowed to run riot and its basically rendered this section unreadable. No one is doing anything about it. Yeah, really helpful man
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Post by Master Wanker on Aug 23, 2012 9:38:29 GMT -5
I believe we need to look beyond the divisions of Noel and Liam and look at the unifying force within us all. SEX!
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Post by webm@ster on Aug 23, 2012 10:13:10 GMT -5
If anyone can point out a better run Oasis forum with this amount of traffic I ll gladly go take some notes. I always welcome critics and take note of what they have to say.
Remember change starts within.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Aug 23, 2012 10:35:43 GMT -5
I completely understand where the OP is coming from. Yes, it has become sort of a joke this forum. When you have moderators straight up saying "Noel was always Oasis" and having the trolls backs and then you have a clique of users mass PM'ing the Administrator of this board everytime someone they don't like pops up and speaks his/her mind, what can you expect?
People used to say, I am glad this place exists because the official Oasis(inet) forum has gone to shit and is now full of trolls, well now this place isn't that much better though, is it? Nope, at least not to anyone that tries to be a regular but doesn't think "Noel is/was Oasis" or that "Andy is a loser" or that the HFBs album was miles better than BDI's.
In other words, if you're a neutral, objective OASIS fan, or even if you just prefer Liam's project, your best be certain that same clique will try the damn hardest to antagonize you in a rude way, by insulting not only you, but Liam and other members of Beady Eye, to the point where the other person will either get bored and give up posting here, fight back and ironically be called a "troll" or even worst, eventually get banned because 5, 6 or 7 members(out of a board that has thousands of members) start mass email Webby. Amazingly ridiculous but there you have it, that is what the Live4ever Forum has become.
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J-200
Oasis Roadie
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Post by J-200 on Aug 23, 2012 10:48:00 GMT -5
All these complaints being made lately would be a lot more valid if the people doing the complaining weren't doing the same thing. This. Exactly.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 23, 2012 10:55:40 GMT -5
truefaith, gdforever, spaneli, theyknowwhatimean, leak4ever, (tomlivesforever) Just try and be constructive or remove your account and stay away for a while. You'll enjoy it once you try it. You lot ruin this place by posting the same thing over and over/nitpicking on every single word/going into a discussion and trying to prove you are right every single time.... There is no wrong and no right. Get on with it. Apparently, you're not an active member.....because then you'd know that I just returned from a 3 month break.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 23, 2012 11:25:35 GMT -5
If anyone can point out a better run Oasis forum with this amount of traffic I ll gladly go take some notes. I always welcome critics and take note of what they have to say. Remember change starts within. There are no changes. It's the people who make a forum, and it's the people who hurt a forum.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 23, 2012 12:17:21 GMT -5
spaneli, you stole my quote - It's the people who make a great forum.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 23, 2012 12:18:02 GMT -5
spaneli, you stole my quote - It's the people who make a great forum. Great minds think alike.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Aug 23, 2012 12:21:32 GMT -5
deasy's post can easily apply to lgfavre as well.
i'm Let It Bleed and i approve banning lgfavre.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 23, 2012 12:41:52 GMT -5
If anyone can point out a better run Oasis forum with this amount of traffic I ll gladly go take some notes. I always welcome critics and take note of what they have to say. Remember change starts within. Actually, if you could pair down some of the sections, that would be helpful. There's too many sections which are basically dead or rarely used. A forum is suppose to be a flow of information and discussion. Why have extra sections where discussion is clearly not happening. Eliminate them and the rare discussion that do happen can be done in other sections. Bringing a bit more life to those places.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 23, 2012 12:45:20 GMT -5
lgfaver, thanks for your kind words. I'll keep it in my mind.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 23, 2012 12:48:33 GMT -5
He's not the one who just called someone a douche... Perhaps the reason you're so annoying is because you like to intervene in other people's arguments. You really like to stick up for Gd, Deasy, Rifles, you know, all your pals. lol It is also possible that you simply lack the skill to read sentences properly. Go back and read my last post again, I talked about REACTING, etc... Again, you've made things personal, this time with me... What can I say, this clique is just... ugh, nvm it's not worth it. Go on... No one is gonna get banned, say what you want, I'll say what I want. Actually, I rarely speak to Rifles nor Deasy. So I must have a very small clique. Just sayin... Secondly, I'm not the person calling people a douche. You should be banned. I haven't ever asked for you to be before now because I tend not to speak ill of members. But you should be.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 23, 2012 12:49:09 GMT -5
lgfaver, thanks for your kind words. I'll keep it in my mind.
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