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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 7, 2011 11:20:47 GMT -5
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Post by bonkers on Sept 7, 2011 11:30:35 GMT -5
was a good read
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Post by manualex on Sept 7, 2011 11:32:48 GMT -5
"There was nobody around to say, 'These songs are too long.' It was a good wake-up call, to be honest. I really wonder what would have happened if Be Here Now had sold like Morning Glory. What would we have done the next time? Just imagine if that album had sold 30 million copies. I probably would have grown a mustache and started wearing a fucking cape."
NG funny as always ;D
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 7, 2011 11:44:21 GMT -5
Good questions, good interview on the whole, although it would help if the interviewer crawled out of Noel's ass for a few moments.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 7, 2011 11:46:24 GMT -5
It's a very good read, but people like BEU should avoid reading the last paragraph!
;D
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 7, 2011 11:50:33 GMT -5
Its the kind of lazy journalism I expect. And I think it shows the difference in perception either side of the pond.
'equally significant is the fact that the finest moments in Oasis' two-decade trajectory have generally occurred when Noel was singing: "Don't Look Back in Anger," the chorus on "Acquiesce,'
hahahahaha I mean what a load of tosh, nearly stopped reading after that tbf.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 7, 2011 11:58:18 GMT -5
Its the kind of lazy journalism I expect. And I think it shows the difference in perception either side of the pond. 'equally significant is the fact that the finest moments in Oasis' two-decade trajectory have generally occurred when Noel was singing: "Don't Look Back in Anger," the chorus on "Acquiesce,' hahahahaha I mean what a load of tosh, nearly stopped reading after that tbf. It's not lazy journalism. It's hard to say that he asked good questions and he had a good interview and call him a lazy journalist. I'd say that he has a slant, which is different from being "lazy". He just has pre-concieved notions that may never be changed. Which is much different than being a lazy journalist. I'd say bad journalistic ethic more than anything else.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 7, 2011 12:05:23 GMT -5
I think this does speak also speak to the perception that it held in America when it comes to either Gallagher brother (as tomlivesforver states).
I think a lot more people value Noel's contributions to Oasis, than Liam's of course. I think they just see Liam as a frontman and that's it. That anyone could have sung any of the Oasis songs. Or better, that Noel could have taken those songs and sung himself and still would have been somewhat successful, whereas Liam is solely dependent on having somewhat good songs. I think that's the perception.
Old adage of "Liam and Noel Gallagher are assholes. Yeah, but at least Noel is talented and funny. Liam's just an ass"
And I believe that that will always bee the perception in America unfortunately for Liam. Unless he would do the unlikely and make a song as good as WW or DLBIA or something. (and even then he might get panned just for spite.)
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 7, 2011 12:18:48 GMT -5
Its the kind of lazy journalism I expect. And I think it shows the difference in perception either side of the pond. 'equally significant is the fact that the finest moments in Oasis' two-decade trajectory have generally occurred when Noel was singing: "Don't Look Back in Anger," the chorus on "Acquiesce,' hahahahaha I mean what a load of tosh, nearly stopped reading after that tbf. It's not lazy journalism. It's hard to say that he asked good questions and he had a good interview and call him a lazy journalist. I'd say that he has a slant, which is different from being "lazy". He just has pre-concieved notions that may never be changed. Which is much different than being a lazy journalist. I'd say bad journalistic ethic more than anything else. Well I meant more the background he gave and the sort of restating of the tabloid caricature of Liam. But yes, yours is a better way of putting it tbh. Someone smited me for my last couple of posts? haha some people have got it bad on this forum.
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Post by J.B on Sept 7, 2011 12:45:50 GMT -5
Good interview and interesting but the journalist is so uninformed and sycophantic towards Noel that it pisses me off.
Very unfair to Liam and most of the facts he uses are just wrong. A bit of a typical American look at it.
The ending was also very messy and didn't make sense. I don't think Noel was joking when he said Liam was hungover.
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Post by acquiesce19 on Sept 7, 2011 13:03:22 GMT -5
Curious: have any of you read Klosterman before?
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Post by BEng on Sept 7, 2011 13:04:42 GMT -5
"There was nobody around to say, 'These songs are too long.' It was a good wake-up call, to be honest. I really wonder what would have happened if Be Here Now had sold like Morning Glory. What would we have done the next time? Just imagine if that album had sold 30 million copies. I probably would have grown a mustache and started wearing a fucking cape." NG funny as always ;D Haha is that a Freddie Mercury reference?
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Post by paperbackwriter on Sept 7, 2011 13:10:16 GMT -5
two guitar solos on the album... did we already know that? Fuck... i'm gonna go watch the g-mex gig and the 10-minute version of CS... lol
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Post by basiloasis1974 on Sept 7, 2011 13:21:22 GMT -5
Good read, thx for posting.
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Post by ctmazin on Sept 7, 2011 14:15:28 GMT -5
Klosterman's a great writer. One of the best magazine journalists in the US.
Noel wrote all of the iconic Oasis songs and 95 percent of the good ones, and is a great, great interview. Of course most journalists are going to view him more favourably than Liam. It;s only natural.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Sept 7, 2011 15:08:26 GMT -5
"For those who care about the music of Oasis, anticipation for this record is greater than for anything Oasis has done in the past 10 years. This is not only because Noel was the principal songwriter for the band, although that's certainly part of it; equally significant is the fact that the finest moments in Oasis' two-decade trajectory have generally occurred when Noel was singing..."
wow... stopped reading there. Good thing the blogger made his bias evident rather early on in the "article".
NEXT.
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Post by pnw13 on Sept 7, 2011 15:48:34 GMT -5
Some of your comments are hilarious.
Bad journalism ethic?
Klosterman is a fantastic writer. He's profiling Noel. He has a slant. He's not writing for a newspaper. He's writing for a broad audience. He's writing, basically, a magazine-style feature. His comment about DLBIA and Acquiesce may be frowned upon by mega-fans like us, but it's not a ridiculous statement.
EDIT: And, in my opinion, it's a fantastic piece. Really enjoyed it.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 7, 2011 15:51:10 GMT -5
Some of your comments are hilarious. Bad journalism ethic? Klosterman is a fantastic writer. He's profiling Noel. He has a slant. He's not writing for a newspaper. He's writing for a broad audience. He's writing, basically, a magazine-style feature. His comment about DLBIA and Acquiesce may be frowned upon by mega-fans like us, but it's not a ridiculous statement. EDIT: And, in my opinion, it's a fantastic piece. Really enjoyed it. It's bad journalistic integrity. There's such a thing as having a slant, but his writing is beyond a slant. Maybe the is what comes with age of bloggers. People don't even know what journalistic ethics/integrity means anymore. And what does him not writing to a newspaper mean? So because you don't write for a newspaper, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have some integrity in your writing? No, see that's the spoils of the bloggers age. 15 years ago, that article wouldn't have flown in many places. He's not doing an editorial, so he is held to same standards as any other journalist should be. Whether he works for a newspaper or doesn't. No matter how good the writing is (which it is).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 15:53:40 GMT -5
to be fair it is quite anti-Liam
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Post by J.B on Sept 7, 2011 16:04:57 GMT -5
to be fair it is quite anti-Liam It is ridiculously so. The guy twists stuff and talks a load of bollocks about the high points of Oasis when we all know that the greatest moment involved both Liam and Noel. Shame cos aside from that it's a decent interview. The guy is just a clueless, bumlicking c*nt.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Sept 7, 2011 16:13:17 GMT -5
Some of your comments are hilarious. Bad journalism ethic? Klosterman is a fantastic writer. He's profiling Noel. He has a slant. He's not writing for a newspaper. He's writing for a broad audience. He's writing, basically, a magazine-style feature. His comment about DLBIA and Acquiesce may be frowned upon by mega-fans like us, but it's not a ridiculous statement. EDIT: And, in my opinion, it's a fantastic piece. Really enjoyed it. It's bad journalistic integrity. There's such a thing as having a slant, but his writing is beyond a slant. Maybe the is what comes with age of bloggers. People don't even know what journalistic ethics/integrity means anymore. And what does him not writing to a newspaper mean? So because you don't write for a newspaper, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have some integrity in your writing? No, see that's the spoils of the bloggers age. 15 years ago, that article wouldn't have flown in many places. He's not doing an editorial, so he is held to same standards as any other journalist should be. Whether he works for a newspaper or doesn't. No matter how good the writing is (which it is). Not to get too "out there" but with all the article says on perception isn't it worth nothing that perception is indeed reality? If 99.99% of the world views Liam as a bonehead doesn't that become reality, at least to 99.99% of the people reading the article? Most people on this planet are going to read that article and simply be wowed by the structure and purpose to the article, not because the article takes an unfavorable view of a person who's almost exclusively viewed in an unfavorable light. Just to think about...
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Post by ctmazin on Sept 7, 2011 16:42:06 GMT -5
Some of you guys are missing the plot here. This is not a hard news piece. This is a feature article that inserts the writer into the narrative of the article. There is no requirement to stick to who/what/where/when/how and avoid personal opinion. It's written in a forum which allows the writer to have a slant/sympathy.
There's nothing factually wrong in the article. You might think his opinions are unseemly, but there'd nothing journalistically wrong with saying that DLBIA is Oasis' finest moment and that Liam was a bit of a passenger in Oasis' success. Personally, I think he gives Liam the short shrift in Oasis' early success, but that's his prerogative.
Not saying you have to like or agree with the article, but to say he's violating the tenets of journalism is off base.
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Post by J.B on Sept 7, 2011 16:58:31 GMT -5
There's nothing factually wrong in the article. In that case this article is the first I've heard about Wibbling Rivalry being recorded in a studio in 1995.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Sept 7, 2011 17:01:55 GMT -5
yeah, Chuck Klosterman is a widely acknowledged great writer.
just sayin'.........
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Sept 7, 2011 17:04:24 GMT -5
Chuck being Chuck. If you don't know who he is or his writing style you don't need to comment. Forget his revisionist history (Chuck would say all history is revisonist), the highlight of the read is Noel talking about success and how Chuck analyzes it. That's why he's a real writer and you all are furiously typing away on a forum.
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