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Post by matt on Apr 20, 2011 10:58:25 GMT -5
Sign the petition, read the info below. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- avaaz.org/en/stop_rupert_murdoch_3/?slideshowIn 48 hours, nearly half the British mass media could be bought by one of the world's worst media moguls. Rupert Murdoch has exploited his vast media empire to push war in Iraq, elect George W Bush, spread resentment of muslims and immigrants, and block global action on climate change. He undermines democratic government across the world by threatening elected leaders with vicious and often false media coverage unless they do his bidding. Britain plays a key role in Europe and the world. If Murdoch has a lock on British media, he will use it to undermine UK, EU and UN support for human rights and democracy. The UK is up in arms over the Murdoch bid, and even the government, elected with Murdoch's help, is split down the middle as it makes a decision this week. Global solidarity bolstered Egypt's pro-democracy protesters -- it can help Britain's. Let's build an urgent global outcry to stop Rupert Murdoch. Sign the petition to Prime Minister Cameron and Deputy Prime Minister Clegg!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 20, 2011 11:15:57 GMT -5
Crying to the government to enact some sort of censorship, and going against capitalist principles because you don't like something?
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Post by bonkers on Apr 20, 2011 11:27:22 GMT -5
will he do what the evil villain did in the Bond film 'Tomorrow Never Dies' ??
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 20, 2011 12:04:22 GMT -5
Screening something based on political leanings is not ok.
Also, by making it "global" only diminishes the credibility - of course people in Mexico, Russia, the US, Canada, etc can't (and shouldn't) have a direct say in what the English government does.
Lastly, of course this petition won't lead to anything.
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Post by globe on Apr 20, 2011 12:25:18 GMT -5
Fail. Anyhoo, Murdoch - yes, complete wanker . Vile, horrible individual who can go fuck himself. He can ram his shitty Sky TV and his even shittier "newspapers" up his jacksy.
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Post by matt on Apr 20, 2011 18:33:02 GMT -5
Crying to the government to enact some sort of censorship, and going against capitalist principles because you don't like something? Well globe is spot on. +K How can you justify a media mogul like him blackmailing government so he can pursue his business interests? Is that the state of democracy we're in now? Don't say he doesn't because he does it here in the UK all the time. I would quite happily see the tosser go broke. There is power and then there's abusive power. No wonder he supports the Republicans. P.S. bonkers - believe it or not that's who Elliot Carver is based on.
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Post by rmillis on Apr 20, 2011 22:56:10 GMT -5
Wow I just had to comment on this. And I'm gonna have to take this personally. But who the hell are you to say who can do what when they aren't breaking any laws? I honestly am sick of self entitled people like yourself. How about you make a couple hundred million and start your own media company.
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 21, 2011 2:14:11 GMT -5
^^While people should have the freedom to pursue whatever business ventures they like in a free-market capitalist society, there should me more restrictions on how much of the mass media can be controlled by one person.
Here in Aus there are laws that prevent anyone from solely owning more than 40% of the mass media, but even that is not enough. People like Murdoch have the power to manipulate the populace through his conservative and narrow-minded views on how the world should be run. Although he is allowed to have his opinions, he shouldn't be allowed to viciously pressure it onto people through his outlets. Having one person own so much can lead to a severely narrow-minded and one-dimensional perspective from the media that contradicts the freedom of speech and varied opinions ideology in a democratic political system.
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2011 10:59:20 GMT -5
Wow I just had to comment on this. And I'm gonna have to take this personally. But who the hell are you to say who can do what when they aren't breaking any laws? I honestly am sick of self entitled people like yourself. How about you make a couple hundred million and start your own media company. I don't consider myself 'self entitled' to anything. Like I said, there's power and then there's abusive power. Murdoch comes into the latter and as BlueJay rightly says, he viciously attempts to get his points across. Might be within the law, but hardly moral is it?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 21, 2011 11:36:53 GMT -5
Wow I just had to comment on this. And I'm gonna have to take this personally. But who the hell are you to say who can do what when they aren't breaking any laws? I honestly am sick of self entitled people like yourself. How about you make a couple hundred million and start your own media company. This. Look how the description is framed: George W. Bush, Iraq War, etc. It's playing on partisan divide, and actually comes to a fear mongering conclusion. This isn't about trying to control an emerging monopoly, it's quite clearly driven at the hatred of Fox News and RM. That is simply not a basis to favor censorship. Also, you're giving the man way too much power. So it's now RM's fault of all the listed problems? Obama has gone into Libya, essentially, and that was criticized heavily by conservatives (and, well, most people actually). But I guess RM, Fox, and George Bush are still to blame. RM has the right to air whatever he wants on the channels he owns. He has influence over what he feeds viewers, but he has no influence on the policies made by elected officials. And frankly, the vast majority of the public support it. Regardless of what you think of Fox News, it's the #1 cable news network in America for about the last decade. Additionally, if RM wasn't getting ratings, he wouldn't be as hated as he is. He's only hated because he's successful at what he does (partisan dividing media outlets). But the demand is there. If you don't like it? Vote with your remote control, but don't tell the government to censor something because you simply disagree with the content. That's outlandish.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 21, 2011 11:40:35 GMT -5
Wow I just had to comment on this. And I'm gonna have to take this personally. But who the hell are you to say who can do what when they aren't breaking any laws? I honestly am sick of self entitled people like yourself. How about you make a couple hundred million and start your own media company. I don't consider myself 'self entitled' to anything. Like I said, there's power and then there's abusive power. Murdoch comes into the latter and as BlueJay rightly says, he viciously attempts to get his points across. Might be within the law, but hardly moral is it? Ah, liberals love playing the moral card. Who's to say what is moral? That's a very subjective concept. And if it's legal, but yet deemed immoral by everyone, there's still no justification to stop RM! Freedom of speech, and all that.... Immorality is also not a basis for censorship.
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 21, 2011 12:10:36 GMT -5
I don't consider myself 'self entitled' to anything. Like I said, there's power and then there's abusive power. Murdoch comes into the latter and as BlueJay rightly says, he viciously attempts to get his points across. Might be within the law, but hardly moral is it? Ah, liberals love playing the moral card. Who's to say what is moral? That's a very subjective concept. And if it's legal, but yet deemed immoral by everyone, there's still no justification to stop RM! Freedom of speech, and all that.... Immorality is also not a basis for censorship. True, Immorality is not a basis for censorship, but it IS a precursor to censorship and to the new laws that are brought in to combat the immorality.
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2011 12:53:53 GMT -5
Wow I just had to comment on this. And I'm gonna have to take this personally. But who the hell are you to say who can do what when they aren't breaking any laws? I honestly am sick of self entitled people like yourself. How about you make a couple hundred million and start your own media company. This. Look how the description is framed: George W. Bush, Iraq War, etc. It's playing on partisan divide, and actually comes to a fear mongering conclusion. This isn't about trying to control an emerging monopoly, it's quite clearly driven at the hatred of Fox News and RM. That is simply not a basis to favor censorship. Also, you're giving the man way too much power. So it's now RM's fault of all the listed problems? Obama has gone into Libya, essentially, and that was criticized heavily by conservatives (and, well, most people actually). But I guess RM, Fox, and George Bush are still to blame. RM has the right to air whatever he wants on the channels he owns. He has influence over what he feeds viewers, but he has no influence on the policies made by elected officials. And frankly, the vast majority of the public support it. Regardless of what you think of Fox News, it's the #1 cable news network in America for about the last decade. Additionally, if RM wasn't getting ratings, he wouldn't be as hated as he is. He's only hated because he's successful at what he does (partisan dividing media outlets). But the demand is there. If you don't like it? Vote with your remote control, but don't tell the government to censor something because you simply disagree with the content. That's outlandish. 'it's the #1 cable news network in America for about the last decade' That's a hell of a lot of ignorant folk in the USA - it's for the easily led in society. I couldn't give a fuck about Fox News from where I live. You don't even know what it's like to live in the UK. Murdoch complains about the BBC website giving us free news - well I pay my TV license for that so he can fuck right off - I ain't subscribing to The Times to fill his piss stained pockets. Plus, we have to pay to watch sports because of him. Football, the 'working mans game', is now driven by money and such. Does he give a fuck what fans think? No he doesn't. All he cares about is power and money. And freedom of speech my arse. What is so 'free' about phone hacking? "RM has the right to air whatever he wants on the channels he owns" It's not about bringing down Fox/Republicans/Murdoch himself. Shouldn't we as citizens be entitled to impartial news without him distorting it all the time? Isn't news supposed to reflect our opinions not his - the fact that in this country his newspapers supported the Iraq War, despite the vast majority of citizens being ferociously against it pretty much sum it up? The fact is his empire attempts to manipulate us. It's alright for someone like you NL4E when you agree with his opinions but just because you and him are on the same wavelength doesn't mean we should be either. He pretty much sums up the problems of this world - greed. And he will do anything to feed his desires. After all, 'gold is the reason for the wars we wait'.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 21, 2011 13:57:44 GMT -5
This. Look how the description is framed: George W. Bush, Iraq War, etc. It's playing on partisan divide, and actually comes to a fear mongering conclusion. This isn't about trying to control an emerging monopoly, it's quite clearly driven at the hatred of Fox News and RM. That is simply not a basis to favor censorship. Also, you're giving the man way too much power. So it's now RM's fault of all the listed problems? Obama has gone into Libya, essentially, and that was criticized heavily by conservatives (and, well, most people actually). But I guess RM, Fox, and George Bush are still to blame. RM has the right to air whatever he wants on the channels he owns. He has influence over what he feeds viewers, but he has no influence on the policies made by elected officials. And frankly, the vast majority of the public support it. Regardless of what you think of Fox News, it's the #1 cable news network in America for about the last decade. Additionally, if RM wasn't getting ratings, he wouldn't be as hated as he is. He's only hated because he's successful at what he does (partisan dividing media outlets). But the demand is there. If you don't like it? Vote with your remote control, but don't tell the government to censor something because you simply disagree with the content. That's outlandish. 'it's the #1 cable news network in America for about the last decade' That's a hell of a lot of ignorant folk in the USA - it's for the easily led in society. I couldn't give a fuck about Fox News from where I live. You don't even know what it's like to live in the UK. Murdoch complains about the BBC website giving us free news - well I pay my TV license for that so he can fuck right off - I ain't subscribing to The Times to fill his piss stained pockets. Plus, we have to pay to watch sports because of him. Football, the 'working mans game', is now driven by money and such. Does he give a fuck what fans think? No he doesn't. All he cares about is power and money. And freedom of speech my arse. What is so 'free' about phone hacking? "RM has the right to air whatever he wants on the channels he owns" It's not about bringing down Fox/Republicans/Murdoch himself. Shouldn't we as citizens be entitled to impartial news without him distorting it all the time? Isn't news supposed to reflect our opinions not his - the fact that in this country his newspapers supported the Iraq War, despite the vast majority of citizens being ferociously against it pretty much sum it up? The fact is his empire attempts to manipulate us. It's alright for someone like you NL4E when you agree with his opinions but just because you and him are on the same wavelength doesn't mean we should be either. He pretty much sums up the problems of this world - greed. And he will do anything to feed his desires. After all, 'gold is the reason for the wars we wait'. Most of your complaints come across as throwing your toys out of the pram. You have to pay for to watch football!? So? It's not a right to watch your favorite TV programs, and nor is it a right to watch them for free, no less! New flash: Communism failed. We live in a society where you work in order to buy the things you deem worthy to enjoy. And nor would I call it manipulation. Clearly, you're not being brainwashed by RM, so why do you think others are? He's allowed to have a deeply partisan media outlet. You have no right to force him to have a more moderate outlook. In the US decades ago, there was something called The Fairness Doctrine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine That's pretty much dead now. And whenever the occasional liberal brings it up, it gets shot down right away. And rightfully so. To get the government heavily involved in media content sets a very dangerous precedent.
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Post by globe on Apr 21, 2011 13:59:04 GMT -5
Matt there is no point in arguing with this moron, I'm surprised he has the ability to get out of bed and leave his house everyday to be honest.
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Post by rmillis on Apr 21, 2011 14:04:01 GMT -5
Matt there is no point in arguing with this moron, I'm surprised he has the ability to get out of bed and leave his house everyday to be honest. I think you have it the other way around. Being that you're trying to eliminate free speech I'm assuming you're a liberal. You are trying to spin RM into some Dr Evil bent on human destruction. You are probably living off welfare that you liberals seem to love so much. Sit on your ass some more please.
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Post by globe on Apr 21, 2011 14:16:25 GMT -5
Matt there is no point in arguing with this moron, I'm surprised he has the ability to get out of bed and leave his house everyday to be honest. I think you have it the other way around. Being that you're trying to eliminate free speech I'm assuming you're a liberal. You are trying to spin RM into some Dr Evil bent on human destruction. You are probably living off welfare that you liberals seem to love so much. Sit on your ass some more please. You assume I'm a liberal? Well, I'm British, so I'm probably more liberal than you will ever be, that's for sure. How you think I want to eliminate free speech because I hate Murdoch is beyond me, you got any other massive assumptions you'd like to make about me? Oh and no, I'm not on welfare either, sorry to blow another one of your preconceptions you complete belter.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 21, 2011 14:19:59 GMT -5
Another point - I took a media and politics class about 3 years ago. I'm not at my personal computer at the moment, so can't pull up specific documents, but I think it's important to note that people want to be entertained.
The news outlets are all about sensationalism. I get BBC World News here, and I can't for the life of me watch it. It's probably the most fair out of all the outlets, but it's so dry. Whereas CNN, MSNBC, Fox News all bring in opinions and debates. Sure, they have their own ideological leanings, but so what?
Frankly, if someone gets their opinion from the media that's their own initiative in the first place. You can't blame Fox News for people believing X, Y, or Z no matter how false or true they are. At the end of the day, the individual has to be held accountable.
Simple analogy: Even if Palin's target maps influenced the shooting in February - which they didn't - she could not possibly be charged as an accessory to the crime.....Continuing the analogy, it's like saying video games promote violence, so let's ban all Grand Theft Auto games. Ludicrous. Stop trying to pass the buck.
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Post by globe on Apr 21, 2011 14:24:55 GMT -5
Deary me.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 21, 2011 14:27:22 GMT -5
Fail. Anyhoo, Murdoch - yes, complete wanker . Vile, horrible individual who can go fuck himself. He can ram his shitty Sky TV and his even shittier "newspapers" up his jacksy. You have yet to offer anything of significance to this discussion. If I were to take your approach, that would be like me saying "I hate Obama's smugness and condescending tone" and then demanding he should be impeached and removed from office. And even if you add Obama's policies to the mix - as long as they are law abiding principles, there's still no basis to remove him as president. So hate RM all you want. Hate how he controls a big chunk of the media. But good luck trying to force him out, or relinquish any sort of control. Rmillis is right: If you don't like it, start up your own company and challenge him. That's how capitalism works.
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Post by globe on Apr 21, 2011 14:32:27 GMT -5
Fail. Anyhoo, Murdoch - yes, complete wanker . Vile, horrible individual who can go fuck himself. He can ram his shitty Sky TV and his even shittier "newspapers" up his jacksy. You have yet to offer anything of significance to this discussion. If I were to take your approach, that would be like me saying "I hate Obama's smugness and condescending tone" and then demanding he should be impeached and removed from office. And even if you add Obama's policies to the mix - as long as they are law abiding principles, there's still no basis to remove him as president. So hate RM all you want. Hate how he controls a big chunk of the media. But good luck trying to force him out, or relinquish any sort of control. Rmillis is right: If you don't like it, start up your own company and challenge him. That's how capitalism works. I take it you can read aye?
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Apr 21, 2011 15:25:32 GMT -5
NL4E, when watching t.v. do you alternate exclusively between the FOX News and FOX Soccer channels?
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2011 15:26:07 GMT -5
Rmillis is right: If you don't like it, start up your own company and challenge him. That's how capitalism works. Yeah, and your tone seems to suggest capitalism is perfect... I agree with globe, there's no point in arguing here because you'll just be branded a commy scum by who lives off the state if your beliefs are left of theirs. Fact is Murdoch has a malign influence on our government - branded as the '24th man in the cabinet', and erm, Andy Coulson being hired by David Cameron? Oh please - I think democracy loses a lot of it's credibility when outsider scum like Murdoch get to blackmail government. NL4E, I don't care if you did a politics and media class, because I myself am studying politics at uni. Like yourself, I could reel of screeds and screeds of info on the matter but I just can't be arsed because I've got better things to be doing. If discussion is going to be petty immature insults from rmills and NL4E thinking we're thick as shit, then there's no point to this.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 21, 2011 15:40:57 GMT -5
If discussion is going to be petty immature insults from rmills and NL4E thinking we're thick as shit, then there's no point to this. Yet you don't lump Globe into that mix? This once again shows how bias you are when attaching blame to things..... And I actually didn't insult you. The only possible thing I said that could be seen as an insult is saying your complaints are like you throwing your toys out of the pram. Hardly anything vicious, is it? And for the record, LIB: Of course I do!
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Apr 22, 2011 5:23:34 GMT -5
And for the record, LIB: Of course I do! i figured as much.
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