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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 22, 2011 8:14:31 GMT -5
Also, not everything RM owns is of tabloid quality. The Wall Street Journal is a pretty respected conservative outlet, to be fair.
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Post by NYR on Apr 22, 2011 17:14:34 GMT -5
stupid question, but how is murdoch monopolizing the british media? in what way? i'm completely against monopolization, especially in media, but what steps has he taken in the uk? Also, not everything RM owns is of tabloid quality. The Wall Street Journal is a pretty respected conservative outlet, to be fair. the old media joke is that it's a war in a single paper there because the editorial dept is conservative and the news dept is liberal. (you'd be surprised if you read the news section.) funny story about murdoch and the wsj-- when dow jones, who owns the paper, refused to sell it to him, he decided to buy them instead. that's not illegal, but it definitely tells you what kind of person he is. i worked in print/publishing for over five years. (you've most likely picked up at least one publication i've worked for.) i know a bunch of people who work or have worked at news corp, one of the largest media corporations in the world (which is owned by murdoch). sometimes even they can't believe the shit he gets away with. in fact, canada has banned the airing of fox news in their country because they have a law which forbids lying on broadcast news. (believe it or not, they tell me that a lot of murdoch's employees just view working for any of his companies as just a paycheck. i don't blame them, in all honesty.) i don't care that he's a conservative; if you look, you'll find that most media execs are conservative. that's fine by me, as long as it doesn't really affect the content. my bosses were almost all conservative, and that never once affected the content or quality of any of the publications i worked on. The news outlets are all about sensationalism. I get BBC World News here, and I can't for the life of me watch it. It's probably the most fair out of all the outlets, but it's so dry. Whereas CNN, MSNBC, Fox News all bring in opinions and debates. Sure, they have their own ideological leanings, but so what? you're 100% right on that. for example, if sarah palin didn't attract viewers, nobody would be focusing on her... but she does, hence the coverage. Frankly, if someone gets their opinion from the media that's their own initiative in the first place. You can't blame Fox News for people believing X, Y, or Z no matter how false or true they are. At the end of the day, the individual has to be held accountable. you can, though. the beauty of free speech is that there are consequences to the things you say. when certain opinions are broadcast to millions of viewers, there are consequences. i don't mind at all if these opinions are conservative, but i do mind if they're factually inaccurate. if you advertise as a news outlet, then be a news outlet. lying about the news while saying you're a news network is false advertising. if you advertise as an opinion outlet, then i don't care if bill o'reilly, sean hannity and glenn beck run 24/7 on the network. Simple analogy: Even if Palin's target maps influenced the shooting in February - which they didn't - she could not possibly be charged as an accessory to the crime.....Continuing the analogy, it's like saying video games promote violence, so let's ban all Grand Theft Auto games. Ludicrous. Stop trying to pass the buck. nobody ever said that palin influenced the shooting of gabrielle giffords. they were taking umbrage to the fact that the level of discourse she was partaking in was below what it should be. remember, consequences to free speech. all you need is one crazy person.
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Post by rmillis on Apr 27, 2011 3:52:10 GMT -5
I'm being a bit harsh towards you so I'm sorry about that. I get really worked up when civil liberties are in jeopardy. The welfare remark was just a joke. I had to intervene when you resorted to personal attacks. You keep saying that RM is blackmailing the government when he isn't. I think you are misinformed or you have a biased agenda (probably the latter).
I just can't see this issue from your point of view. It just seems flawed and downright wrong. People shouldn't be punished for creating jobs and spreading news to the world. There are so many different forms of media that we shouldn't have to worry about a monopolized media. The truth can always be found via Internet or other news networks.
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Post by matt on Apr 27, 2011 11:46:05 GMT -5
I'm being a bit harsh towards you so I'm sorry about that. I get really worked up when civil liberties are in jeopardy. The welfare remark was just a joke. I had to intervene when you resorted to personal attacks. You keep saying that RM is blackmailing the government when he isn't. I think you are misinformed or you have a biased agenda (probably the latter). I just can't see this issue from your point of view. It just seems flawed and downright wrong. People shouldn't be punished for creating jobs and spreading news to the world. There are so many different forms of media that we shouldn't have to worry about a monopolized media. The truth can always be found via Internet or other news networks. All I'm saying is shouldn't news be news? Fox News is basically 5 minutes of news, 55 minutes of opinion. All I worry about is that too much power from one individual is bound to result in tainted democracy. Sure, he has the right to do everything in his power, but he takes it too far in my opinion.
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Post by rmillis on Apr 27, 2011 12:23:41 GMT -5
I'm being a bit harsh towards you so I'm sorry about that. I get really worked up when civil liberties are in jeopardy. The welfare remark was just a joke. I had to intervene when you resorted to personal attacks. You keep saying that RM is blackmailing the government when he isn't. I think you are misinformed or you have a biased agenda (probably the latter). I just can't see this issue from your point of view. It just seems flawed and downright wrong. People shouldn't be punished for creating jobs and spreading news to the world. There are so many different forms of media that we shouldn't have to worry about a monopolized media. The truth can always be found via Internet or other news networks. All I'm saying is shouldn't news be news? Fox News is basically 5 minutes of news, 55 minutes of opinion. All I worry about is that too much power from one individual is bound to result in tainted democracy. Sure, he has the right to do everything in his power, but he takes it too far in my opinion. Well I'm pretty sure Fox News motto is "we report you decide". Glen Beck always says "don't trust what I say, do your homework". CNN is the polar opposite of Fox News, extremely liberal. There is plenty of diversity in news coverage in America. I don't know much about Britain and it's news networks though.
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Post by NYR on Apr 27, 2011 17:30:18 GMT -5
cnn is not extremely liberal. msnbc is.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 27, 2011 20:24:18 GMT -5
MSNBC is the left's answer to Fox News. That's why I never understood liberals attacking Fox, claiming they hate the opinions when their own side of the spectrum does the same thing! Either attack both, or shut up. If you don't have consistency in your argument, then you're not going to be taken seriously. Clearly, though, liberals hate Fox simply because it's successful. It's a partisan thing, and has nothing to do with the debate over media (because if it was simply about the media, MSNBC should be equally attacked.....)
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Post by jilliam on May 10, 2011 1:14:13 GMT -5
Matt and any others who want to fight the forces of evil (the 1% pillaging our natural resources for their own capitalistic advances) the Zeitgeist needs ppl like you. "either you're with us, or you're with the terrorist"
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 2, 2011 9:18:19 GMT -5
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Post by Superguiller. on Jun 4, 2011 20:02:23 GMT -5
Growing up usually has an effect on you. Like, you learn new stuff and change your mind on important subjects.
Doesn't always happen, I guess.
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Post by matt on Jun 4, 2011 20:14:13 GMT -5
All I'm saying is shouldn't news be news? Fox News is basically 5 minutes of news, 55 minutes of opinion. All I worry about is that too much power from one individual is bound to result in tainted democracy. Sure, he has the right to do everything in his power, but he takes it too far in my opinion. Well I'm pretty sure Fox News motto is "we report you decide". Glen Beck always says "don't trust what I say, do your homework". CNN is the polar opposite of Fox News, extremely liberal. There is plenty of diversity in news coverage in America. I don't know much about Britain and it's news networks though. Well that is pathetic. 'Don't trust what I say, do your homework'. Unbelievable - you should watch the news so you don't have to do your 'homework'. Fox are prying on the less politically sophisticated who aren't going to look into more in depth analysis and are giving them distorted news. It's a form of brainwashing. No wonder you get ignorant fools who pop up with the most absurd revelations that they know hardly anything about. News is meant to be FACT, not OPINION - then people can make balanced decisions for themselves. I'll watch debate programmes like Question Time or Newsnight if I want opinion.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jun 5, 2011 1:45:33 GMT -5
FOX news represents everything that's wrong the world.
FOX News - reporting everything you should be afraid of, and pissed off about to retain your bigotry.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 16, 2011 17:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by Superguiller. on Jun 18, 2011 20:48:43 GMT -5
The guy is saying Fox News actually leans left. And the rest of american media are far left. Yeaaah, right. Like there's ever been an actual left wing in the U.S. You're helpless.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 18, 2011 22:24:41 GMT -5
The guy is saying Fox News actually leans left. And the rest of american media are far left. Yeaaah, right. Like there's ever been an actual left wing in the U.S. You're helpless. While I don't believe in the entirety of the guys study, are you really suggesting the mainstream media doesn't lean left? Come on...NBC, CBS, MSNBC, New York Times...... God forbid Conservatives have a couple outlets for themselves!
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Post by matt on Jul 7, 2011 19:28:44 GMT -5
Well, I think the last few days here in Britain pretty much sums up Murdoch's News International in a nutshell. Absolutely shocking.
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Post by masterplan200 on Jul 7, 2011 19:36:21 GMT -5
Well, I think the last few days here in Britain pretty much sums up Murdoch's News International in a nutshell. Absolutely shocking. Who was the murder victim, not the two schoolgirls but the teenager?
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Post by globe on Jul 8, 2011 7:31:27 GMT -5
Well, I think the last few days here in Britain pretty much sums up Murdoch's News International in a nutshell. Absolutely shocking. Who was the murder victim, not the two schoolgirls but the teenager? Milly Dowler
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Post by gdforever on Jul 20, 2011 23:07:17 GMT -5
I was just reading up on the hacking scandal and remembered this thread and thought I'd bump it up.
I'm interested to see what the FBI turns up about the News Corporation companies in the US.
Also...I read through this thread. And to NL4E, if you think that the US really has much of a left...try travelling. FFS...Barack Obama is too far right for many in Canada. The US doesn't even know what the left is...and you've prove it.
What you have is right...and far right in your country.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 20, 2011 23:10:20 GMT -5
gdforever. is. awesome.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 20, 2011 23:19:37 GMT -5
Why, thank you, so are you LIB
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 21, 2011 0:19:59 GMT -5
gdforever in 2012.
fuckers!!!!!!!
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 21, 2011 1:56:23 GMT -5
Forget about Rupert Murdoch, how's the slapping power of Wendi Chang?!! She could knock out a blue whale with that paw of hers
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 21, 2011 5:34:57 GMT -5
Wow I just had to comment on this. And I'm gonna have to take this personally. But who the hell are you to say who can do what when they aren't breaking any laws? I honestly am sick of self entitled people like yourself. How about you make a couple hundred million and start your own media company. RM has the right to air whatever he wants on the channels he owns. He has influence over what he feeds viewers, but he has no influence on the policies made by elected officials. That is so incredibly naive its untrue. A lot of people have a problem with RM precisely because of this. Our prime minister has met with some of News Corp's highest officials more than 20 times ffs. RM owns at least 70% of Austrailia's printed press. Polititians want to remain in power, RM can directly effect their abillity to do so, so don't try and tell us he has no influence on policy and the decisions made by elected officials.
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 21, 2011 6:22:00 GMT -5
Yeah tomlivesforever is right unfortunately. I hate discussing politics, but every single city in Australia except two (Melb and Syd) only has one major newspaper in circulation. Murdoch owns every single one of these major newspapers in each of these cities besides the two I mentioned and thus has a facist like monopoly over the media.
This means that the places with one newspaper only (60-70% of the population) are being told that Murdoch is a hero in his fight against the British Government whilst glossing over the real facts regarding the scandals he is responsible for.
I couldn't care less about that, what I could care less about is the fact that there are no counter-perspectives that are going against Murdoch that balance out the media bias.
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