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Post by barnafin95 on Mar 30, 2011 13:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by bluemagpie on Mar 30, 2011 13:18:13 GMT -5
Bullshit. These are problems that could easily have been solved if he'd cared in the slightest.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 30, 2011 13:19:11 GMT -5
So how did Noel's loud guitar force Liam to bite off his phrases?
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Post by gdforever on Mar 30, 2011 13:33:23 GMT -5
I am a bit sick of Liam's constant putting off of responsibility.
If he really had that hard a time with Oasis maybe he should have sound-checked. It's not like it was a secret that there had been criticisms about his voice. There is no way he could have seriously not had an idea that he had sounded bad for years.
And Noel sang with the same band in the same concerts and sounded fine.
if Liam actually had a problem...maybe he should have soundchecked. We now know his assertion that he needed to save his voice was bullshit. He's been soundchecking with BDI and there have been no problems. He was just fucking lazy. He made Noel do it all and now he is going back and complaining about everything Noel has ever done. Press, videos, recording, pictures.
FFS give it a rest Liam.
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 30, 2011 13:43:13 GMT -5
He could take care of his voice over the years, instead of blaming Noel.
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Post by vespa on Mar 30, 2011 13:43:14 GMT -5
well have a think he didnt start using his in ear monitors for nothing did he??listen i love noel and say hes up there with very best songwriters of all time but even i can see that he was very stubborn and one sided at times when it came to oasis.what liam is also saying is right noels guitar was far too loud at times,you could never hear gems solos at all,listen to beady eye live an its at a perfect level,both guitars can be heard at all times.
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 30, 2011 13:46:00 GMT -5
bullshit. i went to four concerts on the last oasis tour. noels guitar was never louder than gems
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Post by putthisin ® on Mar 30, 2011 13:46:59 GMT -5
He's hardly complaining.
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Post by Swarfiga on Mar 30, 2011 13:47:54 GMT -5
Use a in-ear system is horrible, so I understand Liam in that statement. But you can't really blame the in-ear system for your bad singing. And the thing about Noel's loud amps is bullshit. You don't need to cut off lines because of that. BUT Noel's guitar is always very loud, that's must be said.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Mar 30, 2011 13:49:12 GMT -5
i don't know about noise levels or whatever but in Liam's defense, singing really loud for an hour or more everyday, or whatever a tour's schedule is, takes its toll on vocal chords. and Liam sings really loud, to the point of yelling. i don't know if that's been mentioned before(i've only recently been spending any amount of time in Oasis/BDI sections of the forum), i'm sure it has and is why his voice can get awful.
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Post by Jeff25 on Mar 30, 2011 13:56:06 GMT -5
It won't be long now before Liam blames Noel for global warming, the tragedy in Japan and childhood obesity.
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Post by mkoasis on Mar 30, 2011 14:12:05 GMT -5
I remember this point being made by some people (McGee, Mathur, Hewittt?) about Noel turnign the amps up so Liam had to shout more during the BHN tour, which makes sense. Right from the start, he sounds a little more hoarse than normal. Great vocals but you can hear the difference from 1996.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 30, 2011 14:15:56 GMT -5
it makes a lot of sense. if you feel you have to almost shout in order to be heard over the guitars, you use so much energy that you just can't hold the notes as long as you would otherwise. this, of course, caused him to cut all the lines short but whatever... it's also his fault for not saying anything and not doing soundchecks...
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Post by bwilder on Mar 30, 2011 14:15:36 GMT -5
i don't know about noise levels or whatever but in Liam's defense, singing really loud for an hour or more everyday, or whatever a tour's schedule is, takes it toll on vocal chords. and Liam sings really loud, to the point of yelling. i don't know if that's been mentioned before(i've only recently been spending any amount of time in Oasis/BDI sections of the forum), i'm sure it has and is why his voice can get awful. I'll go with this.
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Post by craigfairlie on Mar 30, 2011 14:32:29 GMT -5
This is just getting fucking stupid. As much as i love Liam, He needs to shut the fuck up just now. Oasis are done. He's got Beady Eye now. Just get on with life. Stop fucking slaughtering Noel and just get on with life!
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Post by gdforever on Mar 30, 2011 14:41:12 GMT -5
This is just getting fucking stupid. As much as i love Liam, He needs to shut the fuck up just now. Oasis are done. He's got Beady Eye now. Just get on with life. Stop fucking slaughtering Noel and just get on with life! Here here.
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Post by Rifles on Mar 30, 2011 14:48:08 GMT -5
I would give him the benefit of the doubt if it was like 1 or 2 gigs, but if you have to shout over Noel's guitars for an ENTIRE tour, then you need to grow some balls and either say something, or go to a fucking soundcheck.
It's becoming more obvious these days that both brothers were going through the motions on the last tour. Liam blaming everything on Noel is getting ridiculous when we all know Liam did as little as humanly possible for years. Just say you're enjoying being a more integral part of the band and leave it at that. The childish finger pointing is getting old and its extremely transparent.
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Post by songbirdsally on Mar 30, 2011 14:51:57 GMT -5
It won't be long now before Liam blames Noel for global warming, the tragedy in Japan and childhood obesity. ;D BUT, the title is misleading, once again. Like putthisin pointed out, he hardly blaims Noel for it, he just complains about the situation being the amps to loud and the in-ear system he had to use..
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Post by gdforever on Mar 30, 2011 15:23:02 GMT -5
It won't be long now before Liam blames Noel for global warming, the tragedy in Japan and childhood obesity. ;D BUT, the title is misleading, once again. Like putthisin pointed out, he hardly blaims Noel for it, he just complains about the situation being the amps to loud and the in-ear system he had to use.. He does blame Noel. Quite clearly. "I sang badly because I had the ear plugs. I had the earplugs because Noel set his guitar to loud" Telling that he doesn't even say "the guitars" which would include Gem but instead just said "Noel's guitar" as if Gem had been reasonable about his guitar volume but Noel had cranked his up way above Gem's. He must know it's going to be taken as an insult towards Noel because he is intentionally leaving Gem out of it. That is just churlish. It always has to be why anything that went wrong in Oasis was because of Noel. But you know what...Noel sang in front of the same band and he had no problem. Whatever Liam's issue was it was more than simply the volume of Noel's guitar. Noel once said that his voice improved a lot when he stopped trying to song to the back of the crowd. When he started to trust that it was the mic in front of him that would do all the work and as long as he just concentrated on singing well into that microphone the crowd would get it. Maybe it's as simple as the fact that Liam didn't trust his microphone. It all comes down to sound checking IMO. I think the thing to make the biggest difference between Oasis and BDI in the context of Liam voice is simply the effort that he puts in. He sound checked and he rehearsed for months. I'm curious to see how long this work ethic lasts. In the beginning of Oasis Liam was quite on the ball as well, wasn't he?
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Post by Rifles on Mar 30, 2011 15:55:13 GMT -5
I think Liam will stay on top of things with Beady Eye because its seen as "his" band so to speak. He's the big name and he doesn't have to really answer to anyone else. In Oasis he was 2nd fiddle to Noel because Noel knew more about the music business when they started and he had the songs to back up the bravado. Noel took it upon himself to be the more responsible one in most cases and Liam was happy to sit back and just sing.
Now he's a bigger part of things and I think you already see Andy and Gem deferring to him. He came up with the band name, the album name etc.
He's older and more mature now and realizes he's the main figure of Beady Eye. I think he'll handle it just fine. If he starts going off the rails a bit he doesn't have Noel to step in so he's got to stay on track.
He needs to stop with the finger pointing though.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 30, 2011 16:12:48 GMT -5
Maybe he should have gone to a soundcheck or two
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Post by kimallenbewick on Mar 30, 2011 16:42:57 GMT -5
noel's fault for sure... LOL! Come on Liam..
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Post by vespa on Mar 30, 2011 17:15:28 GMT -5
noels guitar was way louder than gems which was a shame cos gems quality aswell,youll never know what there hearing on the stage monitors till you get up there!whats hes saying is partly right because he never wore earphones before,but on the dbtt tour he clearly was struggling to sing to full effect an i think his vocals were shredded on that tour,its always been known how loud oasis are on stage,
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Post by gdforever on Mar 30, 2011 17:18:33 GMT -5
I heard complaints that Oasis were a bit quiet during DOYS @ some of the gigs. Saw it in a couple reviews and Moyles mentioned it after Wembley. Didn't get to see them so I can't comment.
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Post by shoes222 on Mar 30, 2011 17:27:53 GMT -5
I'm not even buying this argument. Even on songs like Stop Crying Your Heart Out, where there's barely any guitars in the first part of the song...Liam generally sounded quite atrocious. There is no way that's Noel's fault. In the beginning of Oasis Liam was quite on the ball as well, wasn't he? That has to do with age and natural vocal gift, more than anything. Liam could do whatever he wanted to his voice and still sound flawless.
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