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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 2, 2011 5:44:59 GMT -5
^ Liam Gallagher isn't the only singer that sings with a fairly loud band. There must be products out there that could be used to enable him to be able to hear what he needed in the mix that are are little more advanced than headphones. We desparately need a Noel section. Its becoming insufferable.
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Post by ToneBender on Apr 2, 2011 8:25:04 GMT -5
^ Liam Gallagher isn't the only singer that sings with a fairly loud band. There must be products out there that could be used to enable him to be able to hear what he needed in the mix that are are little more advanced than headphones. We desparately need a Noel section. Its becoming insufferable. They do and they're called in-ear monitors. It still requires some restraint on the part of the members of the band to have a decent stage volume. People need to differentiate the difference between FOH (front of house), monitor mix, and stage volume. Front of house is the mix for the PA system that is amplified to the crowd. The band being behind these speakers do not hear most of this. The monitor mix is what you get out of the wedges on stage and in ear monitors. Typically people have their own unique mixes for their needs. In other words, Andy as bassist probably had a bit more bass drum and snare to lock in with. Noel, as backup vocalist probably had a lot of Liam so he could harmonize easily. Liam, probably had a lot of himself so he could hear over the band (he has no amplifiers to turn up like Gem, Andy and Noel), etc. This is the mix the band relies on to keep their timing tight and stay on pitch with each other for vocals. Stage volume is something separate and is based on the actual sound generated by the amplifiers and drum kit separate from the monitor and front of house mix. Both the FOH mix and the monitor mix have to react to the stage volume and mix accordingly, but rarely do you find a rock star who will tailor his or her stage volume to the FOH or monitor mix. The chief logic behind this tends to be related to the fact that amplifiers and speakers in cabinets react differently depending on how hard they are pushed. A tube guitar amp turned to 10 reacts very differently than it does at 2 with a pedal in front of it. Speakers barely being pushed versus being pushed into overdrive have a very different tonality. I can assure you that it is a constant struggle for both band members and sound engineers alike to find the happy medium where both groups are happy. As PA systems and in ear systems have improved, people have moved to lower wattage amps so they can get great tone at 10 on their 5, 15 or 20 watt amp while not needing to have 4 stacks of 100 watt amplifiers to be heard. Sorry for the length and over simplification but I think some clarity is needed if this discussion is going to keep puttering along into nonsense. It's not as simple as just "turning something up". I didn't even cover the aspect of mixing with the crowd volume in mind...Standing on the edge of the noise, indeed! Also, FWIW, on the three shows I saw at the tail end of the last American tour, Noel was incredibly overpowered. You could barely hear his vocals on Falling Down and Waiting For The Rapture. The only song you could hear him with incredible clarity was DLBIA where he barely even sang half the song!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 2, 2011 8:35:39 GMT -5
Lovely post ToneBender, someone who clearly knows his stuff. I really hope this post isn't ignored or more likely buried under inane and pointless ramblings.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 2, 2011 9:48:55 GMT -5
Lovely post ToneBender, someone who clearly knows his stuff. I really hope this post isn't ignored or more likely buried under inane and pointless ramblings. I find it interesting that you never actually make a point...good or otherwise. Are you simply just trying to be a referee letting the whole world know what they should be listening to? Seriously...if my posts are useless...yours are beyond that.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 2, 2011 13:19:24 GMT -5
fuck off you fat c u n t
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Post by gdforever on Apr 2, 2011 13:28:27 GMT -5
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 2, 2011 13:31:25 GMT -5
yup, what is your problem with what tom said?
we have to hear your garbage musings all the time and yet when he agrees to one of the most valid things ever posted on here you bitch.
so let me reiterate once again fuck off you fat c u n t.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 2, 2011 13:34:06 GMT -5
yup, what is your problem with what tom said? we have to hear your garbage musings all the time and yet when he agrees to one of the most valid things ever posted on here you bitch. so let me reiterate once again fuck off you fat c u n t. What is your damage? Maybe you and tomlivesforver are the same person. lol. Both do nothing but spit bile and rarely or never say anything worth reading.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 2, 2011 13:35:49 GMT -5
try again.
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Post by ToneBender on Apr 2, 2011 13:43:10 GMT -5
Listen gdforever, why don't we all just agree that Noel was a cancer on Oasis and had no value whatsoever?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 2, 2011 13:43:54 GMT -5
Lovely post ToneBender, someone who clearly knows his stuff. I really hope this post isn't ignored or more likely buried under inane and pointless ramblings. I find it interesting that you never actually make a point...good or otherwise. Are you simply just trying to be a referee letting the whole world know what they should be listening to? Seriously...if my posts are useless...yours are beyond that. I find it interesting that you respond to me rather than the post that answers your queries? I'm not telling anyone what they should listen to but being as logical as you and ignoring well put together posts from people who clearly have a technical knowledge is pretty inconsistant. I used to post more points some good, some bad but I generally avoid your posts all together. Multi-paragraph ramblings that consistantly increase in length but say nothing more is not my bag tbf. You just grind people down by sheer weight of words. Anyway ToneBender's post was a good one no?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 2, 2011 13:47:17 GMT -5
yup, what is your problem with what tom said? we have to hear your garbage musings all the time and yet when he agrees to one of the most valid things ever posted on here you bitch. so let me reiterate once again fuck off you fat c u n t. What is your damage? Maybe you and tomlivesforver are the same person. lol. Both do nothing but spit bile and rarely or never say anything worth reading. Oh yeah we must be the same person because we disagree with you.
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Post by OasisKid99 on Apr 2, 2011 13:58:36 GMT -5
Lovely post ToneBender, someone who clearly knows his stuff. I really hope this post isn't ignored or more likely buried under inane and pointless ramblings. After having read your last 20 posts, I would have to classify 80% of them as exactly that, "inane and pointless ramblings". I could quite easily point fingers at a handful of members of this forum, yourself included, that do nothing but chastise others for committing the crime of sharing their own, subjective opinions. What do you think these forums are here for? Get a grip fellas, and stop thinking you're the only ones whose voices are worth hearing, you make me sick.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 2, 2011 14:24:08 GMT -5
You read 20 of my posts? I'm honoured. I by no means think i'm the only voices worth hearing there a lot of people far more worthy of that Nyron, Tonebender, Spaneli to name but a few. But to raise questions then ignore someone with the knowledge who answers them is pretty bad. I reserve the right acknowledge anyone who I feel has made a post of real worth.
'You make me sick'
hahahahahaha Best laugh i've had from this place for a long time.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 2, 2011 14:39:07 GMT -5
I find it interesting that you never actually make a point...good or otherwise. Are you simply just trying to be a referee letting the whole world know what they should be listening to? Seriously...if my posts are useless...yours are beyond that. I find it interesting that you respond to me rather than the post that answers your queries? I'm not telling anyone what they should listen to but being as logical as you and ignoring well put together posts from people who clearly have a technical knowledge is pretty inconsistant. I used to post more points some good, some bad but I generally avoid your posts all together. Multi-paragraph ramblings that consistantly increase in length but say nothing more is not my bag tbf. You just grind people down by sheer weight of words. Anyway ToneBender's post was a good one no? Sure. Tone Benders post was great. I don't disagree with anything substantial in it. Which is why I didn't argue with it. i found it very informative and gave him a K+ to him Yours however are absolutely useless which is why I referred to You feel free to call me on my posts. I reserve the right to do the same to yours. As for you and XCREMENT being the same person. I was joking...hence the LOL. Take a chill pill.
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Post by OasisKid99 on Apr 2, 2011 14:49:37 GMT -5
You read 20 of my posts? I'm honoured. I by no means think i'm the only voices worth hearing there a lot of people far more worthy of that Nyron, Tonebender, Spaneli to name but a few. But to raise questions then ignore someone with the knowledge who answers them is pretty bad. I reserve the right acknowledge anyone who I feel has made a post of real worth. 'You make me sick' hahahahahaha Best laugh i've had from this place for a long time. Glad I'm able to humor you Tom. Rather read your "hahahaha's" over your usual pretentious, condescending drivel. Peace mate.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 2, 2011 14:51:22 GMT -5
I find it interesting that you respond to me rather than the post that answers your queries? I'm not telling anyone what they should listen to but being as logical as you and ignoring well put together posts from people who clearly have a technical knowledge is pretty inconsistant. I used to post more points some good, some bad but I generally avoid your posts all together. Multi-paragraph ramblings that consistantly increase in length but say nothing more is not my bag tbf. You just grind people down by sheer weight of words. Anyway ToneBender's post was a good one no? Sure. Tone Benders post was great. I don't disagree with anything substantial in it. Which is why I didn't argue with it. i found it very informative and gave him a K+ to him Yours however are absolutely useless which is why I referred to You feel free to call me on my posts. I reserve the right to do the same to yours. As for you and XCREMENT being the same person. I was joking...hence the LOL. Take a chill pill. Well I don't think drawing attention to good posts is useless. I never said you can't comment on my posts haha its never stopped you before so you keep the verbal diarrhea coming. You don't laugh tbf.
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Post by Rifles on Apr 2, 2011 14:55:30 GMT -5
Alllllriiiiight this has turned into all kinds of fun. Is there anything of value left to discuss in this topic or are we pretty much done here?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 2, 2011 14:57:46 GMT -5
You read 20 of my posts? I'm honoured. I by no means think i'm the only voices worth hearing there a lot of people far more worthy of that Nyron, Tonebender, Spaneli to name but a few. But to raise questions then ignore someone with the knowledge who answers them is pretty bad. I reserve the right acknowledge anyone who I feel has made a post of real worth. 'You make me sick' hahahahahaha Best laugh i've had from this place for a long time. Glad I'm able to humor you Tom. Rather read your "hahahaha's" over your usual pretentious, condescending drivel. Peace mate. Glad you avoided the main part of the post. No worries. Are you more of a smilie person?
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Post by spaneli on Apr 2, 2011 15:08:16 GMT -5
This thread is still going on?
Is there anything left to talk about? The only thing that's left is to insult each other....oh wait, never mind.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 2, 2011 15:15:21 GMT -5
This thread is still going on? Is there anything left to talk about? The only thing that's left is to insult each other....oh wait, never mind. I was wishing for GDForever to quote and address my point. I spent a good few minutes writing that, and don't wish to see it go ignored!
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 2, 2011 15:16:48 GMT -5
There are other people on this forum, you guys...
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Post by spaneli on Apr 2, 2011 15:21:10 GMT -5
This thread is still going on? Is there anything left to talk about? The only thing that's left is to insult each other....oh wait, never mind. I was wishing for GDForever to quote and address my point. I spent a good few minutes writing that, and don't wish to see it go ignored! ahahahaha, maybe she's discriminating against you. It's because Canadians hate the US. I'm going to find your post and read it, I'm some what interested in it now. I haven't read through this thread for a bit.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 2, 2011 15:23:03 GMT -5
This thread is still going on? Is there anything left to talk about? The only thing that's left is to insult each other....oh wait, never mind. I was wishing for GDForever to quote and address my point. I spent a good few minutes writing that, and don't wish to see it go ignored! NL4E you are frankly a hero of the forum I believe she should be immeadiately banned for ignoring one of you posts. Have you called your lawyers?
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Post by gdforever on Apr 2, 2011 15:32:42 GMT -5
Sure. Tone Benders post was great. I don't disagree with anything substantial in it. Which is why I didn't argue with it. i found it very informative and gave him a K+ to him Yours however are absolutely useless which is why I referred to You feel free to call me on my posts. I reserve the right to do the same to yours. As for you and XCREMENT being the same person. I was joking...hence the LOL. Take a chill pill. Well I don't think drawing attention to good posts is useless. I never said you can't comment on my posts haha its never stopped you before so you keep the verbal diarrhea coming. You don't laugh tbf. lol...means laughter... I know it's not always a rule...but generally any of my statements that are followed by on lol can't be taken something that I don't actually mean.
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