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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 19, 2019 17:00:29 GMT -5
I know you're into production and how records sound... Then back me up on this: Oh Mercy is a fucking great sounding record. I think it's aged really well. You'd hardly know it was released in the eighties, which is incredible given that the rest of Dylan's eighties output--including Down in the Groove from only a year before--sounds oppresively eighties in all the worst ways. No question. Man in the Long Black Coat could have been released last week, from the sound of it. I was reading about the recording sessions for that album the other day, how Dylan and Lanois recorded it in the swampy, oppressive heat of New Orleans and wanted that atmosphere to come through on the music. I'd say they did a great job. If you've not heard some of the outtakes from those sessions, most notably Series of Dreams and Born in Time, then I highly recommend them. Should have been on the album, but it's still a strong piece of work as is. Most of the Time is a blow to the heart, even if it's pretty simple lyrics-wise for the Nobel Prize winner. What are your top ten Dylan records after your marathon, then? This is the list I'd chalk up at the moment: 1. Bringing it All Back Home 2. Highway 61 Revisited 3. Blood on the Tracks 4. Blonde on Blonde 5. The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan 6. Love and Theft 7. Desire 8. Infidels 9. The Times They Are A-Changing 10. Oh, Mercy With Slow Train Coming, Another Side of Bob Dylan, and Tempest being honourable mentions. I can do a top 5. A lot of Dylan post 1975 doesn’t interest me much. Some great fantastic masterpiece tracks sprinkled all over but nothing as moving as his 60s output which is really asking a lot from any artist. 1. Highway 61 2. Bringing It All Back Home 3. Blonde On Blonde 4. Blood On The Tracks 5. Freewheelin’ Big Basement Tapes guy too. Especially when you strip away The Band and just lock into his material. He was overflowing with material in 1967.
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Post by funhouse on Nov 19, 2019 17:08:21 GMT -5
Thank you guys for reminding me that I have to get back on the Dylan track! Much to go through as well as re-listen to...
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Post by glider on Nov 19, 2019 18:14:52 GMT -5
Richard Ashcroft - the United Nations of Sound This is an interesting one because so many fans (at least here) dislike it strongly and I can’t say that’s hard to understand. By the middle of the third track I wonder why I’m putting myself through this when there are other albums I could happily be listening to. But if you hang in there a little longer, there are some good songs in there. It starts off unbearable but eventually you get some real nice hidden gems like. This thing called life How deep is your man? Good lovin’ Third eye Life can be so beautiful Let me soul rest The last two tracks in particular end this on a positive note. There’s some real good sounds in here and Ashcroft's voice works as well as ever. Half of the record is decent to good, the other half harder to enjoy. But once in a while it’s worth it for the better half. I've tried to understand what Richard was aiming at, but he fumbled badly. He was so desperate to distance himself from the Verve sound during this time and made so many bonehead decisions. This record irreparably damaged Richard as an artist, every release since then has been just plain bad. I enjoy Alone With Everybody, Human Conditions has its moments, and Keys To The World gave us Break the Night with Colour and Music is Power. The second reunion mentally messed him up.
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Post by Jack on Nov 19, 2019 19:10:37 GMT -5
DJ Shadow - Our Pathetic Age (2019) Only listened to it once, but i'm not impressed. The only song I like on the whole double album, is the Wu-Tang collab 'Rain On Snow'
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 20, 2019 1:09:35 GMT -5
DJ Shadow - Our Pathetic Age (2019) Only listened to it once, but i'm not impressed. The only song I like on the whole double album, is the Wu-Tang collab 'Rain On Snow' Did you not like the Pusha T track or "Urgent, Please Read"? I thought the project as a whole was lack-lustre too, but those ones did impress me.
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Post by mossy on Nov 20, 2019 3:31:01 GMT -5
Devo - Duty Now For The Future. X
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 20, 2019 4:34:02 GMT -5
True Meanings - Weller
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Post by mossy on Nov 20, 2019 5:05:55 GMT -5
The Clash - Give ‘em enough rope. X
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 20, 2019 14:51:42 GMT -5
BLONDE ON BLONDE by BOB DYLAN1) Rainy Day Women 2) I Want You 3) Visions of Johanna 4) One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later) 5) Positively 4th Street 6) Stuck Inside of Memphis with the Memphis Blues Again 7) Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat 8) Just Like a Woman 9) Most Likely You'll Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine) 10) Obviously Five Believers 11) Absolutely Sweet Marie 12) Fourth Time Around 13) Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands With just a little tracklist re-jig, possibly my favourite Dylan record. I also re-listened to Blur's Parklife, to see if it's still rubbish, and it was.
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Post by ossieoss30 on Nov 20, 2019 19:35:37 GMT -5
2Pac - All Eyez On Me. I know many consider this to be the greatest hip hop album of all time so it’s probably sacrilege to criticise it, but my god it is long. Can’t help thinking it would benefit from being trimmed down to just one killer disc. This is a criticism of many hip hop albums though. I’ve been listening to loads of 90s hip hop recently and it feels like producers felt just cos a CD is 70 mins they had to fill it. Many filler tracks and, urgh, skits, just do not require repeat listens. X Biggie >>> Pac I agree about the overlong albums. I think that's why Illmatic is the most enduringly iconic 90's rap album. Just ten tracks of brilliance, not a second wasted. What have been your favourite records from the era, then? Are you more of an east coast fan or west coast? Far too long for one listen... I listen to it like this... 1) Ambitionz As A Ridah 2) 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted 3) California Love (the single version) 4) How Do U Want It? 5) All Bout U 6) Wonda Why They Call U Bitch? 7) All Eyez On Me 8) Cant C Me 9) Only God Can Judge Me 10) No More Pain 11) Shorty Wanna Be A Thug 12) Life Goes On 13) I Ain’t Mad At Cha Comes in at around an hour and is a great listen to just got out of prison and wants to party Pac. I do prefer the Makaveli album though. I took the 14 ‘leftover’ tracks and called the playlist ‘Thug Passion’ lol. Which is more of the chilled out songs from the album. 1) Thug Passion 2) Skandalouz 3) Holla At Me 4) When We Ride 5) Got My Mind Made Up 6) What’s Ya Phone #? 7) Rather Be Ya Nigga 8) Run Tha Streetz 9) Heartz of Men 10) Tradin’ War Stories 11) Ain’t Hard to Find 12) Heaven Ain’t Hard to Find 13) Check Out Time 14) Picture Me Rollin
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 21, 2019 22:17:04 GMT -5
Currently got on The Shining ‘True Skies’ (2002)
This band features Simon Jones and Simon tong of the Verve. They only made this one album but I really like it.
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Post by mossy on Nov 22, 2019 12:50:17 GMT -5
The Clash - The Clash, American version. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 22, 2019 17:02:44 GMT -5
Beck - Hyperspace. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 22, 2019 17:03:33 GMT -5
ESG - A South Bronx Story. X
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 22, 2019 17:29:48 GMT -5
Wednesday: Bob Dylan's Time Out of Mind from 1997; Yesterday: Free's 1968 debut Tons of Sobs;
Today: Bob Dylan's "Love and Theft" from 2001; and Dylan's Modern Times is penciled in for tomorrow.
The Escapist, I shoulda said that my Dylan marathon is still ongoing. So you'll have to leave the question of favourite Dylan records with me. As for individual songs, 'Things Have Changed' was my runaway favourite before August, but now 'Changing of the Guards' is sneaking up behind. I love everything about that track, not least Bob's vocal, which I think is fantastic. 'Highways' is also up there somewhere. I was on the edge of my seat for the verses with Bob and the waitress in the Boston town restaurant, wondering what was gonna happen next.
As we were talking about the admirable production on Oh Mercy, what about Time Out of Mind? I know Dylan wasn't completely satisfied with the results, but I thought it sounded great. You could put it next to OK Computer or Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space from the same year, and it wouldn't sound too far out of step with those masterworks by much younger artists. It's one of the things that frustrates me most about ageing singer-songwriters, when they scrimp on the production and don't put as much effort into it as when they were younger, so their stuff sounds crap next to contemporary artists. But Dylan, thankfully, avoided going down that road with the two records above. And "Love and Theft" sounds pretty good too. Great snare sound on 'Summer Days'. 👍
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 22, 2019 18:20:09 GMT -5
Beck - Hyperspace. X Die Waiting is a tune!
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 22, 2019 19:55:21 GMT -5
Wednesday: Bob Dylan's Time Out of Mind from 1997; Yesterday: Free's 1968 debut Tons of Sobs;
Today: Bob Dylan's "Love and Theft" from 2001; and Dylan's Modern Times is penciled in for tomorrow.
As we were talking about the admirable production on Oh Mercy, what about Time Out of Mind? I know Dylan wasn't completely satisfied with the results, but I thought it sounded great. You could put it next to OK Computer or Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space from the same year, and it wouldn't sound too far out of step with those masterworks by much younger artists. It's one of the things that frustrates me most about ageing singer-songwriters, when they scrimp on the production and don't put as much effort into it as when they were younger, so their stuff sounds crap next to contemporary artists. But Dylan, thankfully, avoided going down that road with the two records above. And "Love and Theft" sounds pretty good too. Great snare sound on 'Summer Days'. 👍
I have to say, my biggest Dylan sin is that I don't rate Time Out of Mind. Not Dark Yet is one of his best songs, Make You Feel My Love is a nice pop tune, and I can enjoy Love Sick on occasion, but the rest of the record is far too slow and dragged-out for me. I much prefer the punchy, more dynamic sound of Love and Theft. I heard a journalist told him that L&T was the first album of his you could dance to, and Dylan said "I'm sorry about that" . I think the lyrics are better on the 2001 record, too. The very first verse, with Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum throwing knives into a tree, and all the spiralling guitars around it, is a real continuation of the Highway 61 sound. It's the type of thing you could have played to people in 1965, and have them be happy with how Dylan aged. Let me know what you think of Tempest, I'm a fan of that record too.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 22, 2019 20:49:04 GMT -5
Wednesday: Bob Dylan's Time Out of Mind from 1997; Yesterday: Free's 1968 debut Tons of Sobs;
Today: Bob Dylan's "Love and Theft" from 2001; and Dylan's Modern Times is penciled in for tomorrow. As we were talking about the admirable production on Oh Mercy, what about Time Out of Mind? I know Dylan wasn't completely satisfied with the results, but I thought it sounded great. You could put it next to OK Computer or Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space from the same year, and it wouldn't sound too far out of step with those masterworks by much younger artists. It's one of the things that frustrates me most about ageing singer-songwriters, when they scrimp on the production and don't put as much effort into it as when they were younger, so their stuff sounds crap next to contemporary artists. But Dylan, thankfully, avoided going down that road with the two records above. And "Love and Theft" sounds pretty good too. Great snare sound on 'Summer Days'. 👍
I have to say, my biggest Dylan sin is that I don't rate Time Out of Mind. Not Dark Yet is one of his best songs, Make You Feel My Love is a nice pop tune, and I can enjoy Love Sick on occasion, but the rest of the record is far too slow and dragged-out for me. I much prefer the punchy, more dynamic sound of Love and Theft. I heard a journalist told him that L&T was the first album of his you could dance to, and Dylan said "I'm sorry about that" . I think the lyrics are better on the 2001 record, too. The very first verse, with Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum throwing knives into a tree, and all the spiralling guitars around it, is a real continuation of the Highway 61 sound. It's the type of thing you could have played to people in 1965, and have them be happy with how Dylan aged. Let me know what you think of Tempest, I'm a fan of that record too. Never dug the vocal take of “To Make You Feel My Love”. Wish he nailed it better.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 22, 2019 21:12:30 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 23, 2019 10:10:59 GMT -5
Infidels is very good, too. I have Blind Willie McTell as the opener, and Jokerman in place of I & I. McTell flows really nicely into Sweetheart Like You:
1. Blind Willie McTell 2. Sweetheart Like You 3. Neighbourhood Bully 4. License to Kill 5. Man of Peace 6. Union Sundown 7. Jokerman 8. Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 23, 2019 10:38:16 GMT -5
VESPERTINE by BJORKBig Christmas vibes off this album. The production is so crisp and fairytale.
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 23, 2019 17:24:01 GMT -5
Buzzcocks - the way (2014) - which ended up being their last album Like The Escapist I’ll post my ideal version of the album Keep on believing People are strange machines The way you are (is not the way you were) In the back Virtually real Generation suicidal Disappointment Third dimension Out of the blue Chasing rainbows, modern times It’s not you Happen Saving yourself
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Post by matt on Nov 23, 2019 17:58:45 GMT -5
VESPERTINE by BJORKBig Christmas vibes off this album. The production is so crisp and fairytale. Haha, I like a bit of Bjork and randomly picked this up in a second hand music store a couple of years ago. Had never heard of the album when I picked it up but I agree, a very lush sounding album.
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Post by mossy on Nov 23, 2019 17:59:51 GMT -5
Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - LAMF. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 23, 2019 18:00:15 GMT -5
Siouxsie & The Banshees - Best Of. X
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