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Post by The Escapist on Nov 10, 2019 7:03:43 GMT -5
FUNERAL by ARCADE FIREMist from your breaths, cold blue skies, leaves that crunch under your feet? It's Funeral's time of year again.
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Post by mossy on Nov 10, 2019 16:25:49 GMT -5
Metallica - Death Magnetic. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 11, 2019 6:59:29 GMT -5
2Pac - All Eyez On Me. I know many consider this to be the greatest hip hop album of all time so it’s probably sacrilege to criticise it, but my god it is long. Can’t help thinking it would benefit from being trimmed down to just one killer disc. This is a criticism of many hip hop albums though. I’ve been listening to loads of 90s hip hop recently and it feels like producers felt just cos a CD is 70 mins they had to fill it. Many filler tracks and, urgh, skits, just do not require repeat listens. X Biggie >>> Pac I agree about the overlong albums. I think that's why Illmatic is the most enduringly iconic 90's rap album. Just ten tracks of brilliance, not a second wasted. What have been your favourite records from the era, then? Are you more of an east coast fan or west coast? Agree 100% about Illmatic. All killer, no filler. The Beastie Boys are up there for me. I like their albums because they pepper them with other styles like rock, bossa nova, reggae, country or whatever. Hello Nasty: now that is how you do a long album! With hip hop I probably prefer party music to deep lyricism. I probably prefer the earlier 80s golden age to the 90s too. Although I’ve been gorging on albums recently, usually I listen to my own playlists of singles for variety. So bearing in mind I’m talking more about tracks rather than full albums, my favourite artists are Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Eric B & Rakim, KRS-One, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Digital Underground, Public Enemy, Dr Dre, Wu Tang Clan, LL Cool J, The Roots, Jurassic 5, Naughty By Nature, Outkast, Ice Cube, Young MC, 3rd Bass, Black Sheep, The Pharcyde, Big Daddy Kane, Digable Planets, Jay-Z, Ultramagnetic MCs, NERD, Missy Elliot, Big L, Mos Def, Notorious BIG, Saul Williams... Not sure if that makes me “Team East” or “Team West”... X
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 11, 2019 15:31:45 GMT -5
The Twang - If Confronted Go Mad (2019)
Brilliant album, surprisingly.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 11, 2019 15:33:45 GMT -5
John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band
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Post by mossy on Nov 11, 2019 16:43:35 GMT -5
The Ramones. So nice I listened to it twice. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 13, 2019 14:45:29 GMT -5
GZA - Liquid Swords. X
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 15, 2019 23:04:39 GMT -5
Richard Ashcroft - the United Nations of Sound
This is an interesting one because so many fans (at least here) dislike it strongly and I can’t say that’s hard to understand. By the middle of the third track I wonder why I’m putting myself through this when there are other albums I could happily be listening to. But if you hang in there a little longer, there are some good songs in there. It starts off unbearable but eventually you get some real nice hidden gems like.
This thing called life How deep is your man? Good lovin’ Third eye Life can be so beautiful Let me soul rest
The last two tracks in particular end this on a positive note. There’s some real good sounds in here and Ashcroft's voice works as well as ever. Half of the record is decent to good, the other half harder to enjoy. But once in a while it’s worth it for the better half.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 15:10:41 GMT -5
I've built a weird connection with this album. It literally sounds other-worldly to me these days.
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Post by zooropalg on Nov 17, 2019 9:09:33 GMT -5
Coldplay "everyday life"
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 18, 2019 14:07:53 GMT -5
LOVE AND THEFT by BOB DYLAN
Been on a Dylan kick of late. Highway 61, Desire, Slow Train Coming, and Oh Mercy have all been getting frequent plays. I like this one too. The most urgent and instantly enjoyable of all his post-comeback albums, in my opinion. Mississippi is a career highlight, and he manages to give all the classic Americana influences a real breath of fresh air. My only criticism is that Things Have Changed should have been saved for this record, that might even be in my Top 10 Dylan songs. I also was doing some drawing with my girlfriend earlier, and played Definitely Maybe along with The Notorious B.I.G's Ready to Die. She drew the Taj Mahal, I drew the TARDIS. It was a really pleasant couple of hours. Not sure why it would be on this album. Things Have Changed was written and recorded for Wonder Boys 2 years prior. Won the Oscar and all. It served it purpose and got much much praise obviously.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 18, 2019 14:11:42 GMT -5
LOVE AND THEFT by BOB DYLAN
My only criticism is that Things Have Changed should have been saved for this record, that might even be in my Top 10 Dylan songs. Not sure why it would be on this album. Things Have Changed was written and recorded for Wonder Boys 2 years prior. Won the Oscar and all. It served it purpose and got much much praise obviously. Because it's too much of a tune to be on the "Wonder Boys 2" soundtrack.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 18, 2019 14:14:17 GMT -5
Not sure why it would be on this album. Things Have Changed was written and recorded for Wonder Boys 2 years prior. Won the Oscar and all. It served it purpose and got much much praise obviously. Because it's a fucking tune and deserves to be on an actual Bob Dylan album, not the "Wonder Boys 2" soundtrack. Doesn’t change anything. It was a great song in 1999 and it’s a great song in 2019. It was written as a one off for what many believed at the time a huge Oscar contender film (bombed). Nobody is sleeping on it.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 18, 2019 14:24:13 GMT -5
Because it's a tune, and deserves to be on an actual Bob Dylan album, not the "Wonder Boys 2" soundtrack. Doesn’t change anything. It was a great song in 1999 and it’s a great song in 2019. It was written as a one off for what many believed at the time a huge Oscar contender film (bombed). Nobody is sleeping on it. That's a nice outlook, but I can't say I agree with it. I just can't help but find it a shame that Bob Dylan's most swaggering, accessible track since the millennium isn't on a Bob Dylan album. There was room for it on Love and Theft.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 18, 2019 14:31:04 GMT -5
Doesn’t change anything. It was a great song in 1999 and it’s a great song in 2019. It was written as a one off for what many believed at the time a huge Oscar contender film (bombed). Nobody is sleeping on it. That's a nice outlook, but I can't say I agree with it. For me it's like if Leonard Cohen had given "You Want it Darker" to a soundtrack. Sure, it'd still be a great single, fans would still love it, but it would have been robbed of it's place as part of a fantastic album. I can't help but find it a shame that Bob Dylan's most swaggering, accessible track since the millennium isn't on a Bob Dylan album. There would definitely have been room for it on Love and Theft. Listen I saw this entire thing play out in real time. The song only existed because of inspiration by the film Wonder Boys. Love & Theft wasn’t even a thing in Bob’s mind yet. Why would he hold back a song for a future unknown album down the line when he wrote it for a film two years prior? It’s revisionist history.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 18, 2019 14:42:54 GMT -5
That's a nice outlook, but I can't say I agree with it. For me it's like if Leonard Cohen had given "You Want it Darker" to a soundtrack. Sure, it'd still be a great single, fans would still love it, but it would have been robbed of it's place as part of a fantastic album. I can't help but find it a shame that Bob Dylan's most swaggering, accessible track since the millennium isn't on a Bob Dylan album. There would definitely have been room for it on Love and Theft. Listen I saw this entire thing play out in real time. The song only existed because of inspiration by the film Wonder Boys. Love & Theft wasn’t even a thing in Bob’s mind yet. Why would he hold back a song for a future unknown album down the line when he wrote it for a film two years prior? It’s revisionist history. I mean, it's Bob Dylan we're talking about here. He'd already given Mississippi to Sheryl Crow in 1998, and yet there it is at track two. Girl From the North Country had already been out for five years when it appeared as the opening track on Nashville Skyline. Rather like Noel writing Fort Knox for Kanye and then realising he wanted it for his own album, Things Have Changed should definitely have been ear-marked for a future project, even if it took twenty years to come out. It's just too good not to be on an album. I'd say it fits Love and Theft the best.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 18, 2019 14:58:29 GMT -5
Listen I saw this entire thing play out in real time. The song only existed because of inspiration by the film Wonder Boys. Love & Theft wasn’t even a thing in Bob’s mind yet. Why would he hold back a song for a future unknown album down the line when he wrote it for a film two years prior? It’s revisionist history. I mean, it's Bob Dylan we're talking about here. He'd already given Mississippi to Sheryl Crow in 1998, and yet there it is at track two. Girl From the North Country had already been out for five years when it appeared as the opening track on Nashville Skyline. Rather like Noel writing Fort Knox for Kanye and then realising he wanted it for his own album, Things Have Changed should definitely have been ear-marked for a future project, even if it took twenty years to come out. It's just too good not to be on an album. I'd say it fits Love and Theft the best. But like I said it doesn’t change anything. It was a great song when it came out 20 years ago. Everyone knew it. It was a much acclaimed Oscar winner. Was part of his great comeback from time out of mind. I don’t recall anyone saying he should have saved it. Just like I don’t recall anyone getting up in arms about “Streets of Philadelphia” winning an Oscar but not ever being on a real Springsteen album. It’s a great song regardless.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 18, 2019 15:01:33 GMT -5
I mean, it's Bob Dylan we're talking about here. He'd already given Mississippi to Sheryl Crow in 1998, and yet there it is at track two. Girl From the North Country had already been out for five years when it appeared as the opening track on Nashville Skyline. Rather like Noel writing Fort Knox for Kanye and then realising he wanted it for his own album, Things Have Changed should definitely have been ear-marked for a future project, even if it took twenty years to come out. It's just too good not to be on an album. I'd say it fits Love and Theft the best. But like I said it doesn’t change anything. It was a great song when it came out 20 years ago. Everyone knew it. It was a much acclaimed Oscar winner. Was part of his great comeback from time out of mind. I don’t recall anyone saying he should have saved it. Just like I don’t recall anyone getting up in arms about “Streets of Philadelphia” winning an Oscar but not ever being on a real Springsteen album. It’s a great song regardless. You're right, it's a fantastic track wherever it's released. But I still think it should have been saved for an actual Bob Dylan album. Like Whatever for Oasis. It's just too good a song to not be on an album, for me.
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Post by mossy on Nov 18, 2019 16:14:38 GMT -5
Gang Of Four - Entertainment! This heaven gives me migraine. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 18, 2019 16:15:25 GMT -5
The Damned - Damned Damned Damned. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 18, 2019 16:16:08 GMT -5
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 18, 2019 16:16:26 GMT -5
The Ramones. X
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Post by mossy on Nov 19, 2019 7:31:44 GMT -5
Devo - Are We Not Men? X
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 19, 2019 15:54:42 GMT -5
Been on a Dylan kick of late. Highway 61, Desire, Slow Train Coming, and Oh Mercy have all been getting frequent plays. I know you're into production and how records sound... Then back me up on this: Oh Mercy is a fucking great sounding record. I think it's aged really well. You'd hardly know it was released in the eighties, which is incredible given that the rest of Dylan's eighties output--including Down in the Groove from only a year before--sounds oppresively eighties in all the worst ways.
I've been on a Dylan marathon since August, going through every studio album he's released thus far (apart from that 1973 collection of covers his record company spaffed onto the market). I took a week off after that '83 to '88 run of albums, just as I did after Self Portrait, feeling a bit fatigued. Coming to Oh Mercy, I knew it was considered a vast improvement on his other eighties records, but I was very pleasantly surprised by just how well it holds up. Totally took me by surprise.
Desire and Slow Train Coming also surprised me in good ways. And I liked Street-Legal, particularly that fantastic opening track. Dylan killed it in the seventies really.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 19, 2019 16:11:15 GMT -5
Been on a Dylan kick of late. Highway 61, Desire, Slow Train Coming, and Oh Mercy have all been getting frequent plays. I know you're into production and how records sound... Then back me up on this: Oh Mercy is a fucking great sounding record. I think it's aged really well. You'd hardly know it was released in the eighties, which is incredible given that the rest of Dylan's eighties output--including Down in the Groove from only a year before--sounds oppresively eighties in all the worst ways. No question. Man in the Long Black Coat could have been released last week, from the sound of it. I was reading about the recording sessions for that album the other day, how Dylan and Lanois recorded it in the swampy, oppressive heat of New Orleans and wanted that atmosphere to come through on the music. I'd say they did a great job. If you've not heard some of the outtakes from those sessions, most notably Series of Dreams and Born in Time, then I highly recommend them. Should have been on the album, but it's still a strong piece of work as is. Most of the Time is a blow to the heart, even if it's pretty simple lyrics-wise for the Nobel Prize winner. What are your top ten Dylan records after your marathon, then? This is the list I'd chalk up at the moment: 1. Bringing it All Back Home 2. Highway 61 Revisited 3. Blood on the Tracks 4. Blonde on Blonde 5. The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan 6. Love and Theft 7. Desire 8. Infidels 9. The Times They Are A-Changing 10. Oh, Mercy With Slow Train Coming, Another Side of Bob Dylan, and Tempest being honourable mentions.
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