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Post by lieutenant on May 6, 2024 11:13:21 GMT -5
To be brutally honest it's the fact that Britpop was a predominantly white British provincial phenomenon which is why it's nearly forgotten. Looking back it was certainly an aberration and I'm glad to have lived through it. There were so many great band's at that time overshadowed by Oasis and Blur. Youth culture of today is thuggish and lacks the good natured optimism inherent in Britpop, epitomized by Oasis' first two albums.
The contrived indie/post punk revival in the early to mid 2000s was awful. Those bands lacked the authenticity of the Britpop era.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on May 7, 2024 1:19:35 GMT -5
Times have changed for worse and I feel that music doesn't matter to the big masses anymore. It's all about social media and other shit these days. You're right that it won't happen again and there will never be another Oasis.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on May 7, 2024 2:34:16 GMT -5
Britpop was largely shite though.
Fucking Mesnwear.
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Post by Goosey on May 7, 2024 16:30:38 GMT -5
Britpop was massively contrived. The whole thing was as engineered as it gets.
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Post by The Chief on May 7, 2024 17:50:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure why skin colour is part of a conversation about music, especially the way you seem to equate "white British provincial" music with positivism and oppose it to today's youth culture being "thuggish".
Saying that, it's a little hard to predict. I know things are stale and grim at the moment but if you had asked anyone in the 60's if something like Beatlemania could happen again, no one would have predicted Britpop and how massive they were, mostly in Great Britain of course, but still. Also, rock and roll is a cycle. The cycle is a bit longer before guitar music comes back to the forefront of popularity but it'll eventually come back. So we could have another Oasis some day.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on May 8, 2024 3:08:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure why skin colour is part of a conversation about music, especially the way you seem to equate "white British provincial" music with positivism and oppose it to today's youth culture being "thuggish". Saying that, it's a little hard to predict. I know things are stale and grim at the moment but if you had asked anyone in the 60's if something like Beatlemania could happen again, no one would have predicted Britpop and how massive they were, mostly in Great Britain of course, but still. Also, rock and roll is a cycle. The cycle is a bit longer before guitar music comes back to the forefront of popularity but it'll eventually come back. So we could have another Oasis some day. It's of course possible, but highly unlikely in my opinion. People just don't buy music anymore these days. I can't even think what is the biggest band in the world at the moment.
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Post by standonit on May 8, 2024 4:03:21 GMT -5
People don't buy albums in the same way these days, but people still listen to music and buy tickets in massive numbers. Taylor Swift is about to start a UK & Ireland tour having sold something like 1.25m tickets for it, I'm not sure that kind of scale has ever happened before.
It takes the right band with the right songs in the right place at the right time, but of course bands can become massive. The fractured nature of the media just means that these days it could happen without you realising, if you're not involved. There are less things like Top of the Pops to let the whole country know who is big and who isn't.
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Post by morning_rain on May 8, 2024 4:59:26 GMT -5
It will probably happen again but we will be too old to enjoy. Rock isn't going to be mainstream again for a while, there are good bands at the moment but a lot of circumstances need to happen in order to have a movement again, even if it was manufactured.
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Post by The Chief on May 8, 2024 7:01:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure why skin colour is part of a conversation about music, especially the way you seem to equate "white British provincial" music with positivism and oppose it to today's youth culture being "thuggish". Saying that, it's a little hard to predict. I know things are stale and grim at the moment but if you had asked anyone in the 60's if something like Beatlemania could happen again, no one would have predicted Britpop and how massive they were, mostly in Great Britain of course, but still. Also, rock and roll is a cycle. The cycle is a bit longer before guitar music comes back to the forefront of popularity but it'll eventually come back. So we could have another Oasis some day. It's of course possible, but highly unlikely in my opinion. People just don't buy music anymore these days. I can't even think what is the biggest band in the world at the moment. Not now but I think it's temporary. People are now realizing what it means to not own anything, that if a company decides that it's no longer available, they can pull the plug at any time and there's nothing they can do. In the last years we've seen it happen in music, video games, movies, cloud storage, etc. I think we'll eventually go back to either physical or at the very least an iTunes MP3 thing. Maybe even some form that doesn't exist yet, who know? But I believe the whole streaming thing is only a temporary historical setback. Also, as standonit said, you can judge what's massive by concert attendance too which luckily is still a thing.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on May 8, 2024 8:53:59 GMT -5
It's of course possible, but highly unlikely in my opinion. People just don't buy music anymore these days. I can't even think what is the biggest band in the world at the moment. Not now but I think it's temporary. People are now realizing what it means to not own anything, that if a company decides that it's no longer available, they can pull the plug at any time and there's nothing they can do. In the last years we've seen it happen in music, video games, movies, cloud storage, etc. I think we'll eventually go back to either physical or at the very least an iTunes MP3 thing. Maybe even some form that doesn't exist yet, who know? But I believe the whole streaming thing is only a temporary historical setback. Also, as standonit said, you can judge what's massive by concert attendance too which luckily is still a thing. The renting thing is a dream model for companies. They can get customers tied up and increase the prices as they wish. Then also, YouTube is free and for the majority of people the quality is good enough. I'm not sure if they're willing to pay for music anymore. Maybe I'm wrong. What if bands and artists would not allow their music to be on streaming services? Would that change things and increase the album sales?
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Post by shadowplay on May 8, 2024 10:58:11 GMT -5
Like others have said most Britop was absolute shit. Talking about Oasis specifically I got into Oasis during the brit-pop hangover phase where all the older millennials now in the 30+ age range were wearing skinny jeans, stripy tops and into the twangy indie-pop scene which they all thought was so cool and fresh at the time. I think the closest anything Gallagher related has ever gotten to being somewhat popular again was 2016-2018 when the Supersonic doc came out and Liam released AYW when a younger crowd got into them after having grown up with their parents playing them a lot but that's died well down since then.
There isn't really any type of music that dominates music culture like there was during brit-pop anymore. Mainstream manufactured pop is as big as it ever was but music now is much like the movies or tv show scene where something is being made for everyone to enjoy somewhere it's just not the big thing that everyone talks about anymore and to be honest I much prefer this.
You get to have loads of new stuff to listen to (yes even guitar music if you do a little digging) but it's not overexposed, the gigs are smaller and more authentic without all the casuals about only there because something has become trendy and you can access it all instantly. It's not great for any artits who has ambitions to become massive without making mainstream pop music but all the one who are any good more than get by.
If people are more annoyed that there isn't anyone out there making music that sounds really like Oasis then the answer is the same as why there wasn't a band doing it before them either... It's really, really hard to make that type of music and not sound absolutely shit. It's just basic chords and song structures, basic lyrics etc so unless you're an elite level songwriter like Noel or a one of a kind singer like Liam it's going to sound bland and derivative.
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Post by The Chief on May 8, 2024 13:01:31 GMT -5
Not now but I think it's temporary. People are now realizing what it means to not own anything, that if a company decides that it's no longer available, they can pull the plug at any time and there's nothing they can do. In the last years we've seen it happen in music, video games, movies, cloud storage, etc. I think we'll eventually go back to either physical or at the very least an iTunes MP3 thing. Maybe even some form that doesn't exist yet, who know? But I believe the whole streaming thing is only a temporary historical setback. Also, as standonit said, you can judge what's massive by concert attendance too which luckily is still a thing. The renting thing is a dream model for companies. They can get customers tied up and increase the prices as they wish. Then also, YouTube is free and for the majority of people the quality is good enough. I'm not sure if they're willing to pay for music anymore. Maybe I'm wrong. What if bands and artists would not allow their music to be on streaming services? Would that change things and increase the album sales? I could also be wrong. Maybe I'm too optimistic. As for artists not allowing their music on streaming, right now it's not them but their record company. Some major artists could do it like Taylor Swift who owns her new masters. But I think because they're all on there, they would shoot themselves in the foot. Look at Neil Young who removed all of his music from Spotify when they signed the podcasting contract with Dickwad. His music was recently added back. So, unless there's a concerted effort, I doubt anyone will do that, especially not smaller creators who are already hard to reach on those platforms.
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Post by beentherenow on May 9, 2024 6:39:40 GMT -5
As others have said, from a purely music POV, Britpop is a very overrated period. The wider cultural movement of Cool Britannia, effected all aspects of society from Politics, Sport, Films, TV and the behaviour of society as a whole (especially those under the age of 25). However in the fragmented times we live in now where mainstream media doesn’t really exist because the choice is so vast of where people get their information from, it’ll be highly unlikely we’ll see a cultural movement like that again. Especially one which infiltrates the mainstream like Cool Britannia. Back in 1996 if a band was on TFI Friday or TOTP for example it reached millions of people live. That next day they’d rush out to but their latest single, that doesn’t happen now.
Back to music itself, aside from the A tier (Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Suede etc) and to a certain extent the B-tier (Supergrass, OCS etc) a lot of the bands were very derivative and pretty awful, they just got caught up in the hype.
To a much smaller extent a similar things happened in 2001-2005, which didn’t influence the mainstream culture as much, as the internet had already start to effect things by then but Indie/Alternative bands were everywhere and you did have some absolute great bands; I remember buying BRMC’s 2nd album, Kings of Leon’s debut and Muse Absolution all on the same day in around September 2003, because they all came out around the same week, you just do not get that anymore. However like Britpop, a lot of bands were shite and we’re only get record deals and NME coverage because of the wider movement.
30 years from Britpopwith streaming and the fact people watch and access things how they want and when they want, you’ll never get a cultural movement en masse like that again.
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Post by vespa on May 9, 2024 18:17:32 GMT -5
It’ll be a longtime before you get a movement like that again, some of the bands weren’t great but britpop as a time was brilliant, gigs everywhere , radio full of great music, and ofcourse oasis was everywhere and they bought back to the forefront a lot of great classic bands .. fantastic times
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 9, 2024 18:21:47 GMT -5
Wrong.
Viva Brother.
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Post by freek on May 10, 2024 1:51:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure why skin colour is part of a conversation about music, especially the way you seem to equate "white British provincial" music with positivism and oppose it to today's youth culture being "thuggish". Saying that, it's a little hard to predict. I know things are stale and grim at the moment but if you had asked anyone in the 60's if something like Beatlemania could happen again, no one would have predicted Britpop and how massive they were, mostly in Great Britain of course, but still. Also, rock and roll is a cycle. The cycle is a bit longer before guitar music comes back to the forefront of popularity but it'll eventually come back. So we could have another Oasis some day. It's of course possible, but highly unlikely in my opinion. People just don't buy music anymore these days. I can't even think what is the biggest band in the world at the moment. The boring answer to this is Imagine Dragons and (still) Coldplay. In streaming, it's hard to get a foot in the door with all established acts remaining big on the platforms. However, Arctic Monkeys aren't far off and might be called the true heir to Oasis and Britpop.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on May 10, 2024 3:54:18 GMT -5
It's of course possible, but highly unlikely in my opinion. People just don't buy music anymore these days. I can't even think what is the biggest band in the world at the moment. The boring answer to this is Imagine Dragons and (still) Coldplay. In streaming, it's hard to get a foot in the door with all established acts remaining big on the platforms. However, Arctic Monkeys aren't far off and might be called the true heir to Oasis and Britpop. I must admit that I had never heard about Imagine Dragons before you mentioned it. I must be living in a barrel. Coldplay are still huge yeah, and the Monkeys too.
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Post by The Escapist on May 10, 2024 4:35:22 GMT -5
Coldplay are comfortably the biggest band in the world.
Their current tour is selling more tickets than any other tour in history ever has, as far as I know.
As for Oasis/brit-pop not happening again, you're probably right. But there'll never be a jazz scene of wild pianos and brass taking over the youth culture again, either. Each generation shakes off the cultural noise of the last one to find their own sound, and each one then laments the next generation for doing the same. It's a worthwhile point that streaming/capitalism has diluted music into a more easily mass-consumable product ("content"), but even with that background, there are the definitive artists making great music that stand for this generation.
Kendrick Lamar, for instance, has found considerable mainstream success while being one of the most powerful voices of Black America in musical history. The anger, passion, and depth in his music has resonated with millions, and I'd argue it's done so in a less media-contrived way than a lot of the landfill that came from "Britpop".
I mean, I know which I'd prefer...
(An unfair example, of course, but you get my drift).
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 10, 2024 5:26:19 GMT -5
Coldplay are comfortably the biggest band in the world. Their current tour is selling more tickets than any other tour in history ever has, as far as I know. As for Oasis/brit-pop not happening again, you're probably right. But there'll never be a jazz scene of wild pianos and brass taking over the youth culture again, either. Each generation shakes off the cultural noise of the last one to find their own sound, and each one then laments the next generation for doing the same. It's a worthwhile point that streaming/capitalism has diluted music into a more easily mass-consumable product ("content"), but even with that background, there are the definitive artists making great music that stand for this generation. Kendrick Lamar, for instance, has found considerable mainstream success while being one of the most powerful voices of Black America in musical history. The anger, passion, and depth in his music has resonated with millions, and I'd argue it's done so in a less media-contrived way than a lot of the landfill that came from "Britpop". I mean, I know which I'd prefer... (An unfair example, of course, but you get my drift). Yes Coldplay are but I'm not sure what effect they've had culturally, if any.
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 10, 2024 5:27:26 GMT -5
Britpop was a stupid label added by the press that fails totally to cover the breadth of good music coming out in that decade.
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Post by quantum on May 10, 2024 7:30:28 GMT -5
Coldplay are comfortably the biggest band in the world. Their current tour is selling more tickets than any other tour in history ever has, as far as I know. Yes Coldplay are but I'm not sure what effect they've had culturally, if any. Not much because they're bland. Could tolerate Chris Martin at the beginning, but fame seemed to inflate him and he/they became the type who'd sell their gran to make another truck load of cash.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on May 11, 2024 11:52:55 GMT -5
Yes Coldplay are but I'm not sure what effect they've had culturally, if any. Not much because they're bland. Could tolerate Chris Martin at the beginning, but fame seemed to inflate him and he/they became the type who'd sell their gran to make another truck load of cash. They don't have the same charisma and presence like Liam has. They're doing their own thing and trying to be the new U2. A Rush of Blood to the Head is a great album and liked watching their live DVD back in 2002, but I'm not really a fan of their newest music and live performances.
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