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Post by mahsteve on Feb 27, 2024 3:06:42 GMT -5
Album Credits Taken from the Oasis Recording Information website www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=830The Band Liam Gallagher – Vocals. Noel Gallagher – Guitar, vocals, bass, keyboards. Alan White – Drums and percussion. Guest musicians Paul Stacey (keyboards; additional lead guitar on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; backwards guitar on Who Feels Love?; bass on Who Feels Love?, Gas Panic!, I Can See a Liar, and Roll it Over; additional acoustic guitar on Where Did it all Go Wrong?; guitar solo on Roll It Over). P. P. Arnold (backing vocals on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; Roll It Over). Linda Lewis (backing vocals on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; Roll It Over). Mark Coyle (electric sitar on Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; twelve-string acoustic guitar on Little James). Mark Feltham (harmonica on Gas Panic!). Tony Donaldson (Mini Moog and Mellotron on Gas Panic!). Charlotte Glasson (flute on Gas Panic!). Production personnel Producers: Mark ‘Spike’ Stent and Noel Gallagher. Recording engineer: Paul Stacey. Assistant engineer: Wayne Wilkins. Assistant engineer: Paul ‘P-Dub’ Walton. Assistant engineer: Aaron Pratley. Pro Tools operator: Jan ‘Stan’ Kybert. Studio assistant: Steve “Rambo” Robinson. Mastering (original CD version): Howie Weinberg at Masterdisk Corporation, New York. Mastering (original vinyl version): Kevin Metcalfe at The Soundmasters, London. Mastering (2009 reissue on heavyweight vinyl): Miles Showell at Metropolis Mastering, London. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 27, 2024 5:57:19 GMT -5
Anyone know who Tony Donaldson was? He played Mini Moog and Mellotron on Gas Panic. Not heard of him before or since. To be honest I don’t think I’ve ever heard the minimoog or mellotron on gas panic, must be buried in the mix or I’m missing it. I’ll have a listen with headphones Edit: Yes I can hear the Minimoog and mellotron. I’d just forgotten all about it A minimoog www.moogmusic.com/products/minimoog-model-d |
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Post by niftium on Feb 27, 2024 8:29:31 GMT -5
Album Credits Taken from the Oasis Recording Information website www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=830The Band Liam Gallagher – Vocals. Noel Gallagher – Guitar, vocals, bass, keyboards. Alan White – Drums and percussion. Guest musicians Paul Stacey (keyboards; additional lead guitar on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; backwards guitar on Who Feels Love?; bass on Who Feels Love?, Gas Panic!, I Can See a Liar, and Roll it Over; additional acoustic guitar on Where Did it all Go Wrong?; guitar solo on Roll It Over). P. P. Arnold (backing vocals on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; Roll It Over). Linda Lewis (backing vocals on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; Roll It Over). Mark Coyle (electric sitar on Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; twelve-string acoustic guitar on Little James). Mark Feltham (harmonica on Gas Panic!). Tony Donaldson (Mini Moog and Mellotron on Gas Panic!). Charlotte Glasson (flute on Gas Panic!). Production personnel Producers: Mark ‘Spike’ Stent and Noel Gallagher. Recording engineer: Paul Stacey. Assistant engineer: Wayne Wilkins. Assistant engineer: Paul ‘P-Dub’ Walton. Assistant engineer: Aaron Pratley. Pro Tools operator: Jan ‘Stan’ Kybert. Studio assistant: Steve “Rambo” Robinson. Mastering (original CD version): Howie Weinberg at Masterdisk Corporation, New York.
Mastering (original vinyl version): Kevin Metcalfe at The Soundmasters, London.
Mastering (2009 reissue on heavyweight vinyl): Miles Showell at Metropolis Mastering, London.TIL SOTSOG was mastered three different times by three different people. Makes me wanna put the good headphones on and pick at that a bit. Not even sure which vinyl I have, tbh. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 27, 2024 8:40:49 GMT -5
Album Credits Taken from the Oasis Recording Information website www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=830The Band Liam Gallagher – Vocals. Noel Gallagher – Guitar, vocals, bass, keyboards. Alan White – Drums and percussion. Guest musicians Paul Stacey (keyboards; additional lead guitar on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; backwards guitar on Who Feels Love?; bass on Who Feels Love?, Gas Panic!, I Can See a Liar, and Roll it Over; additional acoustic guitar on Where Did it all Go Wrong?; guitar solo on Roll It Over). P. P. Arnold (backing vocals on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; Roll It Over). Linda Lewis (backing vocals on Fuckin’ in the Bushes; Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; Roll It Over). Mark Coyle (electric sitar on Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is; twelve-string acoustic guitar on Little James). Mark Feltham (harmonica on Gas Panic!). Tony Donaldson (Mini Moog and Mellotron on Gas Panic!). Charlotte Glasson (flute on Gas Panic!). Production personnel Producers: Mark ‘Spike’ Stent and Noel Gallagher. Recording engineer: Paul Stacey. Assistant engineer: Wayne Wilkins. Assistant engineer: Paul ‘P-Dub’ Walton. Assistant engineer: Aaron Pratley. Pro Tools operator: Jan ‘Stan’ Kybert. Studio assistant: Steve “Rambo” Robinson. Mastering (original CD version): Howie Weinberg at Masterdisk Corporation, New York.
Mastering (original vinyl version): Kevin Metcalfe at The Soundmasters, London.
Mastering (2009 reissue on heavyweight vinyl): Miles Showell at Metropolis Mastering, London.TIL SOTSOG was mastered three different times by three different people. Makes me wanna put the good headphones on and pick at that a bit. Not even sure which vinyl I have, tbh. Can you let us know what differences there are in the remastered version. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 27, 2024 9:16:52 GMT -5
Just to go back to the SOTSOG artwork
The internal artwork of the album contains a photo collage created by Simon Halfon. It has photos of Noel, Liam and Alan at Wheeler End Studios and some close up images of the flame pattern on the Keyboard desk later used on the tour by Mike Rowe and Zeb Jameson.
One of the photos shows Noel’s touring guitar case holding a few guitars, one of which is the Union Jack Epiphone Sheraton used at Maine Road gigs in 1996.
The album also contains a photo of the Chateau taken by Jill Furmanovsky.
The band also thank the following people some of whom I’ve not heard of before:
Jason Rhodes - Noel’s guitar tech at the time
Rodger Nowell - Tech
Spooner - Guitar Tech
Brian Gibson - ?
John Fredricks - ?
Johnny Clark - ?
David ‘Clint’ Lockyer - ?
Suzanne and Jasmin Lee - ?
Fat Rick - ?
Mouse and Grub - ?
Alan McGee and all at Creation - Record Company
Marcus Russell, Alec McKinley and all at Ignition
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 28, 2024 7:39:20 GMT -5
2000-5-2 The Late Show with David Letterman, Ed Sullivan Theater, Broadway/53rd Street, Manhattan, New York, USA
The band performed I Can See A Liar. A good performance, all sounds good, however, I’ve never understood why the band chose to play ICSAL, considering it was quite a prestigious show to get on at the time, a big TV audience opportunity etc. Noel had been saying in interviews that ICSAL isn’t very good and he doesn’t like it yet they chose to play it for this show.
Surely as the main “killer single” GLIO would have been a better option, yes it was released earlier in the year but in reality not many Americans would be familiar with it. The only thing I can think of is that it is a riff heavy song which may suit American audiences more.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 28, 2024 7:41:19 GMT -5
2000-5-2 The Late Show with David Letterman, Ed Sullivan Theater, Broadway/53rd Street, Manhattan, New York, USA The band performed I Can See A Liar. A good performance, all sounds good, however, I’ve never understood why the band chose to play ICSAL, considering it was quite a prestigious show to get on at the time, a big TV audience opportunity etc. Noel had been saying in interviews that ICSAL isn’t very good and he doesn’t like it yet they chose to play it for this show. Surely as the main “killer single” GLIO would have been a better option, yes it was released earlier in the year but in reality not many Americans would be familiar with it. The only thing I can think of is that it is a riff heavy song which may suit American audiences more. I remember staying up late to watch and record this. I was stunned they played ICSAL. Figured it would have been GLIO. Liam vocals sound bad here. I’m assuming it was a time issue. Usually these shows want fast, concise songs. Even when Oasis played DGA on Leno, Letterman and SNL they cut the bridge out. |
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Feb 28, 2024 8:13:58 GMT -5
Fuckin In The Bushes is an amazing album opener and one of best tracks on the album. It's like a big ruthless F U in your face. Monstrous drums, and I love how the bass and the guitar strike in. The samples are very cool.
They should have definitely played it live before GLIO at the gigs, I mean the band playing it, just like the Swamp Song in 95-96. Any explanation given by Noel why they didn't? Lazyness?
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 28, 2024 8:48:10 GMT -5
2000-5-2 The Late Show with David Letterman, Ed Sullivan Theater, Broadway/53rd Street, Manhattan, New York, USA The band performed I Can See A Liar. A good performance, all sounds good, however, I’ve never understood why the band chose to play ICSAL, considering it was quite a prestigious show to get on at the time, a big TV audience opportunity etc. Noel had been saying in interviews that ICSAL isn’t very good and he doesn’t like it yet they chose to play it for this show. Surely as the main “killer single” GLIO would have been a better option, yes it was released earlier in the year but in reality not many Americans would be familiar with it. The only thing I can think of is that it is a riff heavy song which may suit American audiences more. I remember staying up late to watch and record this. I was stunned they played ICSAL. Figured it would have been GLIO. Liam vocals sound bad here. I’m assuming it was a time issue. Usually these shows want fast, concise songs. Even when Oasis played DGA on Leno, Letterman and SNL they cut the bridge out. I suppose they just didn’t have many ideal song options at the time to play, maybe GLIO is a bit long with the extended outro. The album version is 4:39 and the version on familiar to millions is 5:32 both versions are too long for TV unless for a specific music TV show such as Jools Holland or Nulle Part Ailleurs. I’d not thought of the song length, I think you’re right, that is probably the reason they chose to play that song. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 28, 2024 8:52:06 GMT -5
Fuckin In The Bushes is an amazing album opener and one of best tracks on the album. It's like a big ruthless F U in your face. Monstrous drums, and I love how the bass and the guitar strike in. The samples are very cool. They should have definitely played it live before GLIO at the gigs, I mean the band playing it, just like the Swamp Song in 95-96. Any explanation given by Noel why they didn't? Lazyness? Yes would have been great live but sadly they never did. As far as I know Noel never gave a reason for not playing it live. The only thing I can think of is that Paul Strangeboy Stacey played the lead guitar parts in the album version and Noel may have thought it was too complicated to play. The only other thing I can think of is that sometimes bands use the opening song as a last opportunity to adjust sound and monitor levels, swamp song would have been straight forward but FITB is a bit more of a complicated song to begin with. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 28, 2024 8:59:24 GMT -5
Yeah demos leaked after the album, but i believe some IRC or chat groups had it long before or few days before the leak too.
It was indeed an exciting times for leaks. Soulseek, Kazaaa loads of fake files. A treasure hunt !
I remember in 99 waiting 30 mins to out To Be Someone on a floppy disc coz i didnt have the internet yet. I didn't have the full song coz the disc was 2.88 mb and the files 3.01. I still remember that feelin. To have that "rare" tracks cut seconds before the end. Wild. Imagine the kids now, they would probably kill someone over that.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 28, 2024 9:31:09 GMT -5
Fuckin In The Bushes is an amazing album opener and one of best tracks on the album. It's like a big ruthless F U in your face. Monstrous drums, and I love how the bass and the guitar strike in. The samples are very cool. They should have definitely played it live before GLIO at the gigs, I mean the band playing it, just like the Swamp Song in 95-96. Any explanation given by Noel why they didn't? Lazyness? Yes would have been great live but sadly they never did. As far as I know Noel never gave a reason for not playing it live. The only thing I can think of is that Paul Strangeboy Stacey played the lead guitar parts in the album version and Noel may have thought it was too complicated to play. The only other thing I can think of is that sometimes bands use the opening song as a last opportunity to adjust sound and monitor levels, swamp song would have been straight forward but FITB is a bit more of a complicated song to begin with. It’s a crying shame they never played it live. Playing it over the PA is kind of lame when you think about it. There is an outtake from a tv appearance when they played it briefly. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 28, 2024 9:40:48 GMT -5
Yes would have been great live but sadly they never did. As far as I know Noel never gave a reason for not playing it live. The only thing I can think of is that Paul Strangeboy Stacey played the lead guitar parts in the album version and Noel may have thought it was too complicated to play. The only other thing I can think of is that sometimes bands use the opening song as a last opportunity to adjust sound and monitor levels, swamp song would have been straight forward but FITB is a bit more of a complicated song to begin with. It’s a crying shame they never played it live. Playing it over the PA is kind of lame when you think about it. There is an outtake from a tv appearance when they played it briefly. Yeah it was weird. I dont think Noel could have played the riff, but Gem definitely. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 28, 2024 18:32:51 GMT -5
Linda Lewis and P.P. Arnold contributed backing vocals on three tracks on the album: FITB, PYMWYMI and Roll it Over. Must have been quite something to watch them singing in that session! Both women have had incredible careers since the 1960s. Their Wikipedia pages make for interesting reading. P.P. Arnold had worked previously with Paul Weller and Ocean Colour Scene so that may have been how Noel met her. Linda Lewis official site www.lindalewis.co.uk/P.P. Arnold official site pparnold.com/Sadly Linda died in 2023. Below is an obituary. Linda Lewis, singer and songwriter best known for her hits Rock-a-Doodle-Doo and It’s in His Kiss – obituary www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2023/05/04/linda-lewis-rock-a-doodle-doo-its-in-his-kiss-died-obituary/ |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 28, 2024 18:50:01 GMT -5
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Post by settingson on Feb 28, 2024 20:18:24 GMT -5
This popped up on my YT line today.
It's a good listen. Close to my fantasy tracklist/playlist as well.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Feb 29, 2024 2:30:43 GMT -5
It’s a crying shame they never played it live. Playing it over the PA is kind of lame when you think about it. There is an outtake from a tv appearance when they played it briefly. Yeah it was weird. I dont think Noel could have played the riff, but Gem definitely. Yes. I agree. Noel was always praising Gem and Andy so there's no reason why they couldn't have played it. And as the short clip shows, they must have practiced it and played it during soundchecks. Wasted opportunity to promote the album better. |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Feb 29, 2024 3:50:17 GMT -5
It’s a crying shame they never played it live. Playing it over the PA is kind of lame when you think about it. FITB should have been the first single from the album. A five track EP featuring the album version and various remixes. |
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Post by The Chief on Feb 29, 2024 7:18:52 GMT -5
I've always had a soft spot for this record. It was different whilst being Oasis, the lyrics were great, the music was more interesting. It felt like a new era which ultimately didn't last but I was all in. Also, having a full version of the record in demo form was awesome and I actually always preferred Carry Us All as a demo. I was hoping this was the band's new direction (then we got HC...). I've always been a fan of Noel's experimentations on record and that's why I love his solo career. I was also happy to see Liam was having a go at writing songs. I do wish we could have gotten more records with Noel experimenting and Liam singing but this is all we have. Was it the best? Not by a longshot. But it was pretty good, no matter what Noel says and I really really wish we'd get a re-release with tons of bonus material from that era. But to me, this record is a representation of what might have been in Oasis' existance and I still listen to it, with its b-sides, which is not something I can say of all Oasis records.
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 29, 2024 7:22:53 GMT -5
These people were thanked in the album notes Jason Rhodes has worked as a producer on Brother Swan’s debut album Loom. Not sure if he was working as a guitar tech for New Order www.instagram.com/j.rhodes_esq?igsh=Y2o2bmVnNWVwbzBlSpooner was Paul ‘Spooner’ Heywood fi.linkedin.com/in/paul-heywood-b60b1aa6Rodger Nowell is now Paul Weller’s guitar tech. He was interviewed on the Desperately Seeking Paul podcast paulwellerfanpodcast.com/roger-nowell/David ‘Clint’ Lockyer Drums & Percusion Tech, Keys & Playback Tech, Owner, Frontline Music David Clint Lockyer - Owner - Frontline Music | LinkedIn Suzanne and Jasmin Lee Suzanne Lee-Barnes, originally owned the Wheeler End studios along with her husband, Alvin Lee. Jasmin Lee - Jasmin (‘Jazz’) is the daughter of Alvin Lee from ‘Ten Years After’. She grew up in studios and started running the family business with her mother which included residential recording studios Hook End and Wheeler End. From 1997 to 2006, Oasis were in residence at their Wheeler End Studio and in 2000 she joined Noel’s record company Big Brother Recordings and started managing bands in 2001. She is now based out of her current company Dean St. Studios (started in 2007) that integrates all of her resources and experience of the last 18 years. Information taken from www.deanst.com/team/Mouse and Grub - not 100% sure but Mouse (of Cat ‘n’ Mouse Catering) was in charge of the catering on the UK stadium tour in 2000. She’s interviewed here at 5:47 as part of the Oasis: Behind the scenes documentary on Sky 1. Brian Gibson Information about Brian Gibson and John Fredricks in this thread on the forum from back in 2016. It is regarding the desk that was used to record at wheeler End. Information gathered by davidjaylive4ever.proboards.com/thread/84192/sexual-references-oasis-nghfb-songs?page=2Brian Gibson was a studio technician at Abbey Road from 1967 to 1998 and an authority on EMI TG consoles. Interview with him about consoles The text below has been copied from the thread on this forum, information provided by davidjay who had contacted Brian. Brian Gibson: I became involved with the Oasis recording project after I was asked to service the EMI TG12345 console and some other EMI equipment that Noel had bought while they were in Australia. They were assembling equipment to take to France for the recording, and I spent some time working on the desk and sorting out a few problems. The complete location recording equpiment package was being put together by a guy named John "Freddo" Fredericks who runs a company called "Technical Earth" who had built all the cableforms, equipment racks and Pro Tools installation. They were planning to take some tech support with them to France and because I'd got to know them and was familiar with the gear, I was asked if I'd like to go along and take care of the technical and equipment side of the sessions. Much of the recording of Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was initially on 24-track analogue tape (Studer A800) and then bounced to Pro Tools for editing and overdubs. We initially had nine weeks at the Chateau but ran out of time, so the recordings were finished at Wheeler End studio, where Noel had recorded all the demos for the album. We shipped all the gear back from France and installed it at Wheeler End, so the recording was finished off with the same gear that was used for the first part of the sessions. The final mixdowns were done by "Spike" Stent [on an SSL mixing desk] at his room in the old Olympic studios and he was assisted throughout the recording and mixing by Jan "Stan" Kybert. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 29, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5
It’s a crying shame they never played it live. Playing it over the PA is kind of lame when you think about it. FITB should have been the first single from the album. A five track EP featuring the album version and various remixes. If the album came out in the 2010s, it would have been used as the first teaser. Like a real PR push. |
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Feb 29, 2024 8:33:32 GMT -5
It’s a crying shame they never played it live. Playing it over the PA is kind of lame when you think about it. FITB should have been the first single from the album. A five track EP featuring the album version and various remixes. Was it not released on a Vinyl for promotion and clubs in December 1999? I think I remember reading that at the time. Maybe I'm wrong. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 29, 2024 8:54:22 GMT -5
FITB should have been the first single from the album. A five track EP featuring the album version and various remixes. Was it not released on a Vinyl for promotion and clubs in December 1999? I think I remember reading that at the time. Maybe I'm wrong. According to www.oasis-live.net there was a 12” vinyl white label promo for FITB. Everywhere I have looked shows that it was released in early January 2000. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 29, 2024 12:41:58 GMT -5
FITB should have been the first single from the album. A five track EP featuring the album version and various remixes. Was it not released on a Vinyl for promotion and clubs in December 1999? I think I remember reading that at the time. Maybe I'm wrong. It wasn’t a huge release and limited PR run. |
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Post by deadman on Feb 29, 2024 16:06:08 GMT -5
Was it ever figured out where the original version of Fuckin' In The Bushes before the drum loop was replaced with Alan White's drums came from? Was it from some rare promo disc or leaked from somewhere else?
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