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Post by asimarx on Sept 28, 2023 14:32:05 GMT -5
By the way, Can Y'See It Now is criminally underrated. It might be the most eclectic thing they've ever done. DBTT should have sounded like that in terms of production & influences. What are the credits for Can Y’See It Now? Who produced it, where was it recorded? I never bought the Japanese import and Discogs doesn’t have a photo of the credits page. I see asimarx speculated it could have been a track originally worked on with DIV. I've seen the credits and it's not mentioned anywhere in the booklet. And to my knowledge it remains PURE speculation that it had been recorded with Death In Vegas. I guess it's just the Krautrock vibe. Nowadays I believe that if this is indeed a DIV production, that info must have had slipped somewhere somewhen down all those years, in an interview by Noel or Richard Fearless or wherever. As of today I would put it in the post-DIV file. |
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Post by plaskins1 on Sept 28, 2023 15:55:45 GMT -5
Know we're still off topic. But how come we got a Richard fearless production of To Be Where There's Life? Was that also recorded for DBBT as I don't recall hearing about that anywhere. So different from the final released version, prefer it quite a bit personally so if the sessions they did sound somewhat to that style I'd be very happy to hear what was recorded. It's got to come out at some point. Why hold on so long, nearly 20 years? Must be some legal reasons?
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Post by mossy on Sept 28, 2023 18:00:50 GMT -5
Know we're still off topic. But how come we got a Richard fearless production of To Be Where There's Life? Was that also recorded for DBBT as I don't recall hearing about that anywhere. So different from the final released version, prefer it quite a bit personally so if the sessions they did sound somewhat to that style I'd be very happy to hear what was recorded. It's got to come out at some point. Why hold on so long, nearly 20 years? Must be some legal reasons? The real thread topic is boring. There were actually two Richard Fearless versions of To Be Where There’s Life. The main one and the “mantra” one. Here’s a quote from him about them: “I was in New York when I got a call asking if I would be up for remixing Oasis. They sent me ‘To Be Where There’s Life.’ What I ended up doing was two mixes, the first was more of a production job on the original which they put on their Dig Out Your Soul boxset. The band ended up reworking this version for their live shows. For the second mix I wanted to do something more radical. There was an eastern element to the original which I tried to elaborate on. So I brought in some musicians I had worked with and we rebuilt the track trying to make more of a mantra out of the original. Hope you enjoy.” |
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Post by plaskins1 on Sept 28, 2023 18:29:38 GMT -5
Know we're still off topic. But how come we got a Richard fearless production of To Be Where There's Life? Was that also recorded for DBBT as I don't recall hearing about that anywhere. So different from the final released version, prefer it quite a bit personally so if the sessions they did sound somewhat to that style I'd be very happy to hear what was recorded. It's got to come out at some point. Why hold on so long, nearly 20 years? Must be some legal reasons? The real thread topic is boring. There were actually two Richard Fearless versions of To Be Where There’s Life. The main one and the “mantra” one. Here’s a quote from him about them: “I was in New York when I got a call asking if I would be up for remixing Oasis. They sent me ‘To Be Where There’s Life.’ What I ended up doing was two mixes, the first was more of a production job on the original which they put on their Dig Out Your Soul boxset. The band ended up reworking this version for their live shows. For the second mix I wanted to do something more radical. There was an eastern element to the original which I tried to elaborate on. So I brought in some musicians I had worked with and we rebuilt the track trying to make more of a mantra out of the original. Hope you enjoy.” Ah, clears that up then. The fact that he still was happy to work with Noel/Oasis after their album was shelved is positive I guess. Do all parties, i.e. artist and producer have to agree before a release. Or do Oasis own the recordings they made, and can release if they wanted? Would love it if Liam did something else with them too in the future. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 28, 2023 18:50:24 GMT -5
The real thread topic is boring. There were actually two Richard Fearless versions of To Be Where There’s Life. The main one and the “mantra” one. Here’s a quote from him about them: “I was in New York when I got a call asking if I would be up for remixing Oasis. They sent me ‘To Be Where There’s Life.’ What I ended up doing was two mixes, the first was more of a production job on the original which they put on their Dig Out Your Soul boxset. The band ended up reworking this version for their live shows. For the second mix I wanted to do something more radical. There was an eastern element to the original which I tried to elaborate on. So I brought in some musicians I had worked with and we rebuilt the track trying to make more of a mantra out of the original. Hope you enjoy.” Ah, clears that up then. The fact that he still was happy to work with Noel/Oasis after their album was shelved is positive I guess. Do all parties, i.e. artist and producer have to agree before a release. Or do Oasis own the recordings they made, and can release if they wanted? Would love it if Liam did something else with them too in the future. My understanding is Oasis own it, the ball is in Noel’s court to decide if to release it. 🏀 |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 28, 2023 23:59:36 GMT -5
I firmly believe our best shot at getting the DIV sessions is if Noel decides to do a DBTT reissue in 2025. Not a great album but the vibes around the band in 2005 were fantastic. You never know. Fingers crossed but it would be weird to get it without SOTOG and HC first. I think we have more chance of getting SOTOG first. There’s a bonus disc of all Noel demos sat ready to go, no need for him to “waste” time mixing a Liam sung record he doesn’t like… His team are shite at hitting anniversaries too. Morning Glory & Be Here Now were on the 19th anniversary. A SOTSOG reissue would be really really REALLY strong. I know Noel isn't thrilled with this period but like you said, it has a ton going on to give to fans. 1) 2025 Remaster. 2) The 1998/1999 demos we've had since February 2000. 3) For One So Young could be the focal point to market it around. |
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Post by Manualex on Sept 29, 2023 0:17:14 GMT -5
Fingers crossed but it would be weird to get it without SOTOG and HC first. I think we have more chance of getting SOTOG first. There’s a bonus disc of all Noel demos sat ready to go, no need for him to “waste” time mixing a Liam sung record he doesn’t like… His team are shite at hitting anniversaries too. Morning Glory & Be Here Now were on the 19th anniversary. A SOTSOG reissue would be really really REALLY strong. I know Noel isn't thrilled with this period but like you said, it has a ton going on to give to fans. 1) 2025 Remaster. 2) The 1998/1999 demos we've had since February 2000. 3) For One So Young could be the focal point to market it around. 4) Slow(if it isn't For One So Young). The demo of Little by Little as well. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 29, 2023 1:53:17 GMT -5
A SOTSOG reissue would be really really REALLY strong. I know Noel isn't thrilled with this period but like you said, it has a ton going on to give to fans. 1) 2025 Remaster. 2) The 1998/1999 demos we've had since February 2000. 3) For One So Young could be the focal point to market it around. 4) Slow(if it isn't For One So Young). The demo of Little by Little as well. Noel is definitely aware of Slow - he mentioned it relatively recently during the pandemic when he found those 14 songs never recorded by Oasis. But he said he was thinking of recording them with HFB. So we’ll see. Hopefully it’ll come out in one way or another eventually. Can’t help but think if Slow was genuinely that good though it would’ve come out by now. When he hypes songs then sits on them for years and years they never deliver. Think of Stop The Clocks, Let There Be Love, Lock All The Doors… |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 29, 2023 6:32:56 GMT -5
A SOTSOG reissue would be really really REALLY strong. I know Noel isn't thrilled with this period but like you said, it has a ton going on to give to fans. 1) 2025 Remaster. 2) The 1998/1999 demos we've had since February 2000. 3) For One So Young could be the focal point to market it around. 4) Slow(if it isn't For One So Young). The demo of Little by Little as well. I’ve always considered “Slow” to be part of the BHN era. Written early that fall 1997. Well before SOTSOG cycle. Hopefully it’ll come out one day but it’s getting dark early. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 29, 2023 6:38:10 GMT -5
Been digging around and found this interesting comment from Noel from just before the DIV sessions started. If Fearless made a really weird and far out sounding album then that wasn’t the brief. Noel claims he just didn’t want to be the one telling other songwriters in the band their songs were shit so wanted a producer in to do that 🙃 In a recent interview with Manchester City Life, Noel said, "I was saying to Richard Fearless, 'We don't really need anyone to freshen up the sound, we don't want anyone to produce it. The reason we want Death In Vegas to produce it is because we want you to, not because we need you to.' I'm quite capable of doing it myself, I can happily make a psychedelic rock record of my own. But I can't be fucking arsed this time... why should I do all the fucking work? "Nobody else in the band wanted to use any outside producers, they all wanted me to produce it. Now I'd love to but I wouldn't feel comfortable telling other people, 'Now this song is shit and that and it's not going on the album.' So it was my idea to get someone who had no connections with the band and say, 'Here's all the fucking songs, now do summat with it.' The rest of the band were pretty dead set against that for ages and ages. Trying to convince Liam was the hardest thing. He'd always be like, 'What they fuck do producers do anyway? Sit there, drink coffee and tell you how shit you are.'" Recording begins this week in Noel's own studio on his Buckinghamshire Estate. oasisinterviews.blogspot.com/2004/01/noel-gallagher-nme-3rd-january-2004.html?m=1 |
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 29, 2023 12:39:00 GMT -5
I really like the remix of To Be Where There's Life and always have but I haven't listened to it in a long time though.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 30, 2023 5:44:33 GMT -5
Been digging around and found this interesting comment from Noel from just before the DIV sessions started. If Fearless made a really weird and far out sounding album then that wasn’t the brief. Noel claims he just didn’t want to be the one telling other songwriters in the band their songs were shit so wanted a producer in to do that 🙃 In a recent interview with Manchester City Life, Noel said, "I was saying to Richard Fearless, 'We don't really need anyone to freshen up the sound, we don't want anyone to produce it. The reason we want Death In Vegas to produce it is because we want you to, not because we need you to.' I'm quite capable of doing it myself, I can happily make a psychedelic rock record of my own. But I can't be fucking arsed this time... why should I do all the fucking work? "Nobody else in the band wanted to use any outside producers, they all wanted me to produce it. Now I'd love to but I wouldn't feel comfortable telling other people, 'Now this song is shit and that and it's not going on the album.' So it was my idea to get someone who had no connections with the band and say, 'Here's all the fucking songs, now do summat with it.' The rest of the band were pretty dead set against that for ages and ages. Trying to convince Liam was the hardest thing. He'd always be like, 'What they fuck do producers do anyway? Sit there, drink coffee and tell you how shit you are.'" Recording begins this week in Noel's own studio on his Buckinghamshire Estate. oasisinterviews.blogspot.com/2004/01/noel-gallagher-nme-3rd-january-2004.html?m=1Yeah I’m not buying that he got two well respected producers to go an island in Cornwall just to tell the others their songs were shit. And no, you aren’t capable of producing a psychedelic record Noel 😂 |
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Post by mossy on Sept 30, 2023 18:13:13 GMT -5
Been digging around and found this interesting comment from Noel from just before the DIV sessions started. If Fearless made a really weird and far out sounding album then that wasn’t the brief. Noel claims he just didn’t want to be the one telling other songwriters in the band their songs were shit so wanted a producer in to do that 🙃 In a recent interview with Manchester City Life, Noel said, "I was saying to Richard Fearless, 'We don't really need anyone to freshen up the sound, we don't want anyone to produce it. The reason we want Death In Vegas to produce it is because we want you to, not because we need you to.' I'm quite capable of doing it myself, I can happily make a psychedelic rock record of my own. But I can't be fucking arsed this time... why should I do all the fucking work? "Nobody else in the band wanted to use any outside producers, they all wanted me to produce it. Now I'd love to but I wouldn't feel comfortable telling other people, 'Now this song is shit and that and it's not going on the album.' So it was my idea to get someone who had no connections with the band and say, 'Here's all the fucking songs, now do summat with it.' The rest of the band were pretty dead set against that for ages and ages. Trying to convince Liam was the hardest thing. He'd always be like, 'What they fuck do producers do anyway? Sit there, drink coffee and tell you how shit you are.'" Recording begins this week in Noel's own studio on his Buckinghamshire Estate. oasisinterviews.blogspot.com/2004/01/noel-gallagher-nme-3rd-january-2004.html?m=1Yeah I’m not buying that he got two well respected producers to go an island in Cornwall just to tell the others their songs were shit. And no, you aren’t capable of producing a psychedelic record Noel 😂 Heathen Chemistry - the lysergic pinnacle, nay zenith, of modern psychedelia 😂 |
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 30, 2023 19:12:14 GMT -5
It would be great if Liam did an album with Death In Vegas in the vain of Scorpio Rising.
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Post by mossy on Oct 1, 2023 14:57:03 GMT -5
It would be great if Liam did an album with Death In Vegas in the vain of Scorpio Rising. Richard Fearless makes ambient drone music with porn stars now; doubt he’ll ever go back to something commercial like that again unfortunately. |
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2023 15:30:54 GMT -5
Been digging around and found this interesting comment from Noel from just before the DIV sessions started. If Fearless made a really weird and far out sounding album then that wasn’t the brief. Noel claims he just didn’t want to be the one telling other songwriters in the band their songs were shit so wanted a producer in to do that 🙃 In a recent interview with Manchester City Life, Noel said, "I was saying to Richard Fearless, 'We don't really need anyone to freshen up the sound, we don't want anyone to produce it. The reason we want Death In Vegas to produce it is because we want you to, not because we need you to.' I'm quite capable of doing it myself, I can happily make a psychedelic rock record of my own. But I can't be fucking arsed this time... why should I do all the fucking work? "Nobody else in the band wanted to use any outside producers, they all wanted me to produce it. Now I'd love to but I wouldn't feel comfortable telling other people, 'Now this song is shit and that and it's not going on the album.' So it was my idea to get someone who had no connections with the band and say, 'Here's all the fucking songs, now do summat with it.' The rest of the band were pretty dead set against that for ages and ages. Trying to convince Liam was the hardest thing. He'd always be like, 'What they fuck do producers do anyway? Sit there, drink coffee and tell you how shit you are.'" Recording begins this week in Noel's own studio on his Buckinghamshire Estate. oasisinterviews.blogspot.com/2004/01/noel-gallagher-nme-3rd-january-2004.html?m=1Yeah I’m not buying that he got two well respected producers to go an island in Cornwall just to tell the others their songs were shit. And no, you aren’t capable of producing a psychedelic record Noel 😂 Put a fucking sitar on it and copy The Beatles, that's usually the shite it amounted to for Oasis and Noel. |
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Post by mossy on Oct 1, 2023 16:57:06 GMT -5
Yeah I’m not buying that he got two well respected producers to go an island in Cornwall just to tell the others their songs were shit. And no, you aren’t capable of producing a psychedelic record Noel 😂 Put a fucking sitar on it and copy The Beatles, that's usually the shite it amounted to for Oasis and Noel. Not even a real sitar, a toy one will do. www.nme.com/news/music/oasis-418-1334590 |
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Post by mossy on Oct 1, 2023 17:04:20 GMT -5
Within You Without You is one of my favourite Beatles tunes and to be fair to them, Oasis’s cover is an absolute banger. Noel can actually play a real sitar apparently 😂 Slept on by casual fans this…
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 2, 2023 12:05:57 GMT -5
If I’ve learned anything, a collector has the Death in Vegas sessions. Yup. Said collector definitely reads threads like this, turns off the lights, and rubs the grungy CD-R over his/her fun bits, muttering "MYYY precioussssss." Have they ever spoke about what they thought of them? |
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 2, 2023 12:36:35 GMT -5
It would be great if Liam did an album with Death In Vegas in the vain of Scorpio Rising. Richard Fearless makes ambient drone music with porn stars now; doubt he’ll ever go back to something commercial like that again unfortunately. Does he? That's a real shame because he might have created something good if he worked with Liam again. |
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Post by mossy on Oct 2, 2023 15:08:42 GMT -5
Richard Fearless makes ambient drone music with porn stars now; doubt he’ll ever go back to something commercial like that again unfortunately. Does he? That's a real shame because he might have created something good if he worked with Liam again. Yeah he completely turned away from mainstream music after Scorpio Rising due partially to the pressure. |
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Post by Goosey on Oct 2, 2023 17:48:15 GMT -5
Is any of DIV session stuff out that can be heard?
Like the AA stuff we got Shoot a Hole and heard a few bits of the Death of you and me AA version in the Russell Brand bits are What a life video (urrrgh)
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Post by Manualex on Oct 2, 2023 18:22:20 GMT -5
Is any of DIV session stuff out that can be heard? Like the AA stuff we got Shoot a Hole and heard a few bits of the Death of you and me AA version in the Russell Brand bits are What a life video (urrrgh) It's a fuzzy thing for me but I think the DbTT demos cd that leaked was from a later session. But could be partially from those DIV sessions(The Meaning Of Soul, Eyeball Tickler, Turn Up The Sun, A Bell Will Ring and Love Like A Bomb. Ain't Got Nothing, Record Machine, Stop The Clocks and the Liam sung LDSMD). I don't really remember, I was here then but it's been blocked out of my mind at the moment. It could be a early demo session with sardy at the helm. |
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 3, 2023 12:44:54 GMT -5
Does he? That's a real shame because he might have created something good if he worked with Liam again. Yeah he completely turned away from mainstream music after Scorpio Rising due partially to the pressure. I guess that's understandable but even so I wish he'd create something good with Liam. |
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Post by mossy on Oct 3, 2023 15:36:44 GMT -5
Is any of DIV session stuff out that can be heard? Like the AA stuff we got Shoot a Hole and heard a few bits of the Death of you and me AA version in the Russell Brand bits are What a life video (urrrgh) It's a fuzzy thing for me but I think the DbTT demos cd that leaked was from a later session. But could be partially from those DIV sessions(The Meaning Of Soul, Eyeball Tickler, Turn Up The Sun, A Bell Will Ring and Love Like A Bomb. Ain't Got Nothing, Record Machine, Stop The Clocks and the Liam sung LDSMD). I don't really remember, I was here then but it's been blocked out of my mind at the moment. It could be a early demo session with sardy at the helm. I think zero material from the DIV sessions has leaked, that’s why they’re so intriguing. The demos you mention were probably from later recordings, probably the ones between DIV and Sardy, led by Noel. The songs may well have been worked on with DIV earlier, but the actual DIV recordings probably haven’t leaked. 💧 |
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