Masterplan 25 years (Read 23,894 times)

[LSF]

For anyone on the fence for the Blood Records zoetrope picture disc, I would save your money.

15,000 is not "limited".

All of their zoetrope records to not have this "zoetrope" effect unless you set up a strobe light or something. It's false advertising.

Every time I order from them something is damaged in the post. They put the record in a PVC sleeve, which if anyone knows anything about records is the worst thing you could use.

They sound terrible.

[Goosey]

8k sold on Blood now. Got to guess atleast 2k have been sold on the official store and itunes etc. so probably at 10k already.

Looking like the opposition is Gregory Porter, Johnny Marr with his best of and funnily enough Cher with a 25th Anniversary reissue of Believe.

I cant see any of those selling 10k in a week. Unless Ive missed anyone. It looks like it may be in the bag ladies and gentlemen

[NYR]

Oct 9, 2023 13:28:32 GMT -5 LSF said:

For anyone on the fence for the Blood Records zoetrope picture disc, I would save your money.

15,000 is not "limited".

All of their zoetrope records to not have this "zoetrope" effect unless you set up a strobe light or something. It's false advertising.

Every time I order from them something is damaged in the post. They put the record in a PVC sleeve, which if anyone knows anything about records is the worst thing you could use.

They sound terrible.

I often tell people to stay away from picture disc records if they can. They have horrible sound quality and, as you said, are almost always packaged in those awful PVC sleeves that are reminiscent of those plastic covers your grandmother might have had on their couch back in the day.

If they want something "special," then I tell them to purchase colored vinyl.

[mossy]

Oct 9, 2023 15:17:32 GMT -5 NYR said:

Oct 9, 2023 13:28:32 GMT -5 LSF said:

For anyone on the fence for the Blood Records zoetrope picture disc, I would save your money.

15,000 is not "limited".

All of their zoetrope records to not have this "zoetrope" effect unless you set up a strobe light or something. It's false advertising.

Every time I order from them something is damaged in the post. They put the record in a PVC sleeve, which if anyone knows anything about records is the worst thing you could use.

They sound terrible.

I often tell people to stay away from picture disc records if they can. They have horrible sound quality and, as you said, are almost always packaged in those awful PVC sleeves that are reminiscent of those plastic covers your grandmother might have had on their couch back in the day.

If they want something "special," then I tell them to purchase colored vinyl.

Sound quality is not a concern of the majority 😅

www.core77.com/posts/123222/Half-of-People-Who-Buy-Vinyl-Records-Dont-Own-a-Record-Player#

[mancraider]

I bought liams last one from blood records. Very underwhelming tbh. As said, the effect only works if you can be bothered to set up a strobe light, it comes in a transparent plastic sleeve so no album artwork and it sounds a lot worse than a proper vinyl. Wouldn't buy another one.

[The Chief]

I had a thought this morning about the whole "this should have been the third album" thing that even Noel says now. In hindsight, it's easy to say and it's true but for The Masterplan to be their third record, Oasis' full history should have had to be different. Because The Masterplan only exists because it's a b-sides compilation, that came after Be Here Now, with songs voted for by fans. Without these three things, it wouldn't exist, as it is.

First, these songs had all been released in the past 4 years. So, to make an album out of these songs, they would have had to not been used as b-sides.

Second, the songs were all recorded at different times depending on what single needed b-sides or when Noel was in San Francisco. If they had used any other song as a b-side, these songs wouldn't have been recorded when they were and with the members of the band that played on them. For example, there's a good chance that Whitey's would have been drumming. But Tony was perfect for the songs he played on that ended up on The Masterplan. Whitey could have played them, sure. But imagine Headshrinker with Whitey on drums. It wouldn't have the same vibe. And I'm sure Noel would have found a way to add too much to Talk Tonight and Half The World Away if he had taken more time to think about them, etc. So the songs themselves would have been different.

Then, there's the fan favorite aspect of it. Noel's an idiot sometimes when it comes to choosing songs to put on a record, by his own admission. So I have no doubt we wouldn't have Stay Young, which Noel recently said he didn't particularly like, or Going Nowhere. And if it was a proper record, we probably wouldn't have had I Am The Walrus either. What made this compilation what it is is us, the fans. Those were, at the time, our favourite songs collectively. And if they hadn't been released as b-sides, we couldn't have chosen them and Noel would have ended up choosing the songs. Who knows what would have been on there.

Lastly, Be Here Now was disappointing to many. And no one can argue that's it's not too long. But that was coming after Morning Glory. The Masterplan is a great follow up to Morning Glory. But maybe it's enjoyed so much because it came after Be Here How. Otherwise, it would have been received as a follow up to MG and probably a continuity of MG. People probably wouldn't appreciate it as much as they do.

So it's easy to go "ah this should have been the third album instead of Be Here Now. But that didn't happen because of one decision. It was a perfect storm that gave us Be Here Now AND The Masterplan.

[Beady’s Here Now]

Oct 10, 2023 14:54:44 GMT -5 The Chief said:

I had a thought this morning about the whole "this should have been the third album" thing that even Noel says now. In hindsight, it's easy to say and it's true but for The Masterplan to be their third record, Oasis' full history should have had to be different. Because The Masterplan only exists because it's a b-sides compilation, that came after Be Here Now, with songs voted for by fans. Without these three things, it wouldn't exist, as it is.

First, these songs had all been released in the past 4 years. So, to make an album out of these songs, they would have had to not been used as b-sides.

Second, the songs were all recorded at different times depending on what single needed b-sides or when Noel was in San Francisco. If they had used any other song as a b-side, these songs wouldn't have been recorded when they were and with the members of the band that played on them. For example, there's a good chance that Whitey's would have been drumming. But Tony was perfect for the songs he played on that ended up on The Masterplan. Whitey could have played them, sure. But imagine Headshrinker with Whitey on drums. It wouldn't have the same vibe. And I'm sure Noel would have found a way to add too much to Talk Tonight and Half The World Away if he had taken more time to think about them, etc. So the songs themselves would have been different.

Then, there's the fan favorite aspect of it. Noel's an idiot sometimes when it comes to choosing songs to put on a record, by his own admission. So I have no doubt we wouldn't have Stay Young, which Noel recently said he didn't particularly like, or Going Nowhere. And if it was a proper record, we probably wouldn't have had I Am The Walrus either. What made this compilation what it is is us, the fans. Those were, at the time, our favourite songs collectively. And if they hadn't been released as b-sides, we couldn't have chosen them and Noel would have ended up choosing the songs. Who knows what would have been on there.

Lastly, Be Here Now was disappointing to many. And no one can argue that's it's not too long. But that was coming after Morning Glory. The Masterplan is a great follow up to Morning Glory. But maybe it's enjoyed so much because it came after Be Here How. Otherwise, it would have been received as a follow up to MG and probably a continuity of MG. People probably wouldn't appreciate it as much as they do.

So it's easy to go "ah this should have been the third album instead of Be Here Now. But that didn't happen because of one decision. It was a perfect storm that gave us Be Here Now AND The Masterplan.

Not to mention we wouldn’t have had the added experience of uncovering all the hidden gems. Oasis’ strong back catalogue made discovering this band that much more fun - fun that wouldn’t have existed if the Masterplan was an album.

[matt]

Oct 10, 2023 15:39:40 GMT -5 Beady’s Here Now said:

Oct 10, 2023 14:54:44 GMT -5 The Chief said:

I had a thought this morning about the whole "this should have been the third album" thing that even Noel says now. In hindsight, it's easy to say and it's true but for The Masterplan to be their third record, Oasis' full history should have had to be different. Because The Masterplan only exists because it's a b-sides compilation, that came after Be Here Now, with songs voted for by fans. Without these three things, it wouldn't exist, as it is.

First, these songs had all been released in the past 4 years. So, to make an album out of these songs, they would have had to not been used as b-sides.

Second, the songs were all recorded at different times depending on what single needed b-sides or when Noel was in San Francisco. If they had used any other song as a b-side, these songs wouldn't have been recorded when they were and with the members of the band that played on them. For example, there's a good chance that Whitey's would have been drumming. But Tony was perfect for the songs he played on that ended up on The Masterplan. Whitey could have played them, sure. But imagine Headshrinker with Whitey on drums. It wouldn't have the same vibe. And I'm sure Noel would have found a way to add too much to Talk Tonight and Half The World Away if he had taken more time to think about them, etc. So the songs themselves would have been different.

Then, there's the fan favorite aspect of it. Noel's an idiot sometimes when it comes to choosing songs to put on a record, by his own admission. So I have no doubt we wouldn't have Stay Young, which Noel recently said he didn't particularly like, or Going Nowhere. And if it was a proper record, we probably wouldn't have had I Am The Walrus either. What made this compilation what it is is us, the fans. Those were, at the time, our favourite songs collectively. And if they hadn't been released as b-sides, we couldn't have chosen them and Noel would have ended up choosing the songs. Who knows what would have been on there.

Lastly, Be Here Now was disappointing to many. And no one can argue that's it's not too long. But that was coming after Morning Glory. The Masterplan is a great follow up to Morning Glory. But maybe it's enjoyed so much because it came after Be Here How. Otherwise, it would have been received as a follow up to MG and probably a continuity of MG. People probably wouldn't appreciate it as much as they do.

So it's easy to go "ah this should have been the third album instead of Be Here Now. But that didn't happen because of one decision. It was a perfect storm that gave us Be Here Now AND The Masterplan.

Not to mention we wouldn’t have had the added experience of uncovering all the hidden gems. Oasis’ strong back catalogue made discovering this band that much more fun - fun that wouldn’t have existed if the Masterplan was an album.

I'd agree. The hype was real, over a two to three year period people were bombarded with quality and quantity in equal measure.

I don't think that hype would have been there without the b-sides. The idea that these b-sides should have made up the third album also forgets that without them, they wouldn't have bolstered their live shows in the way they did in 1995/96. In the whole battle of Britpop and how Oasis toppled everyone else, the critics bang on about social class, attitudes, album qualities, but they do neglect the fact they Oasis were simply more prolific than anyone else. Let's be honest, nobody is listening to Blur b-sides.

The idea of throwing everything at it all at once is something we'll never see again. For as long as we live, we'll never see another act release that much quality in such a short timeframe.

[Goosey]

Over 10k confirmed as sold. #MasterplanforNO1

[vespa]

Had it been the 3rd album they’d have shot off into the stratosphere popularity wise , but then they’d never would’ve had the single status they had .. another point would be that had they stripped back be here now then I think the same would’ve happened .
Back onto this just listened to it the other day again.. what great memories and a great time for people to grow up in .. they are the last great band

[freek]

Oct 12, 2023 5:36:13 GMT -5 Goosey said:

Over 10k confirmed as sold. #MasterplanforNO1

Would be quite remarkable if this reissue would reach no 1. All the others didn't, just as Knebworth, and this one didn't reach no 1 originally. It would make them more legendary, but I fear some contemporary act might outstream Masterplan's performance. Mad fer it!

[thuperthonic]

Thanks for the heads up. Canceled my Blood Records purchase without issue.

[Sadie]

Oct 13, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -5 thuperthonic said:

Thanks for the heads up. Canceled my Blood Records purchase without issue.

How do you do this? Do you have to email them?

[tiger40]

Oct 13, 2023 9:44:26 GMT -5 freek said:

Oct 12, 2023 5:36:13 GMT -5 Goosey said:

Over 10k confirmed as sold. #MasterplanforNO1

Would be quite remarkable if this reissue would reach no 1. All the others didn't, just as Knebworth, and this one didn't reach no 1 originally. It would make them more legendary, but I fear some contemporary act might outstream Masterplan's performance. Mad fer it!

Yeah, I agree with you that it would be quite remarkable if this reissue gets to number one especially with the original version of the album didn't. Mind you, if I remember right it was kept off number one because U2 had a new album out.

[thuperthonic]

Oct 13, 2023 12:28:47 GMT -5 Sadie said:

Oct 13, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -5 thuperthonic said:

Thanks for the heads up. Canceled my Blood Records purchase without issue.

How do you do this? Do you have to email them?

Yep, simple as that. It hasn’t shipped yet so it was easy peasy.

[carlober]

Let's be honest, you never buy a picture disc for sound quality, you buy it for looks.

I've got a few of them and they do look great on the turntable: some sound very good, many others don't.

Even if it sounds just ok I'll be happy, I have other copies of the record. Most people won't even play it anyway.

[tiger40]

A new lyric video for Listen Up has been released. Wow how exciting not.

[Goosey]

12430 of the spinny disc sold. Plus whatever has been sold in ovrr formats…. 📀

It could potentially go one place higher than it did in 1998 with 10% of the sales 😳

[Goosey]

Oct 17, 2023 16:05:35 GMT -5 Goosey said:

12430 of the spinny disc sold. Plus whatever has been sold in otherformats…. 📀

It could potentially go one place higher than it did in 1998 with 10% of the sales 😳

[morning_rain]

Oct 17, 2023 16:05:35 GMT -5 Goosey said:

12430 of the spinny disc sold. Plus whatever has been sold in ovrr formats…. 📀

It could potentially go one place higher than it did in 1998 with 10% of the sales 😳

So when will be know where it charted? This friday?

[Gas Panic]

Oct 18, 2023 3:05:53 GMT -5 morning_rain said:

Oct 17, 2023 16:05:35 GMT -5 Goosey said:

12430 of the spinny disc sold. Plus whatever has been sold in ovrr formats…. 📀

It could potentially go one place higher than it did in 1998 with 10% of the sales 😳

So when will be know where it charted? This friday?

Everything comes out November 3rd.

[2nz]

Taylor's 1989 reissue will still be riding high.

[themanwholivesinhell]

Oct 10, 2023 14:54:44 GMT -5 The Chief said:

I had a thought this morning about the whole "this should have been the third album" thing that even Noel says now. In hindsight, it's easy to say and it's true but for The Masterplan to be their third record, Oasis' full history should have had to be different. Because The Masterplan only exists because it's a b-sides compilation, that came after Be Here Now, with songs voted for by fans. Without these three things, it wouldn't exist, as it is.

First, these songs had all been released in the past 4 years. So, to make an album out of these songs, they would have had to not been used as b-sides.

Second, the songs were all recorded at different times depending on what single needed b-sides or when Noel was in San Francisco. If they had used any other song as a b-side, these songs wouldn't have been recorded when they were and with the members of the band that played on them. For example, there's a good chance that Whitey's would have been drumming. But Tony was perfect for the songs he played on that ended up on The Masterplan. Whitey could have played them, sure. But imagine Headshrinker with Whitey on drums. It wouldn't have the same vibe. And I'm sure Noel would have found a way to add too much to Talk Tonight and Half The World Away if he had taken more time to think about them, etc. So the songs themselves would have been different.

Then, there's the fan favorite aspect of it. Noel's an idiot sometimes when it comes to choosing songs to put on a record, by his own admission. So I have no doubt we wouldn't have Stay Young, which Noel recently said he didn't particularly like, or Going Nowhere. And if it was a proper record, we probably wouldn't have had I Am The Walrus either. What made this compilation what it is is us, the fans. Those were, at the time, our favourite songs collectively. And if they hadn't been released as b-sides, we couldn't have chosen them and Noel would have ended up choosing the songs. Who knows what would have been on there.

Lastly, Be Here Now was disappointing to many. And no one can argue that's it's not too long. But that was coming after Morning Glory. The Masterplan is a great follow up to Morning Glory. But maybe it's enjoyed so much because it came after Be Here How. Otherwise, it would have been received as a follow up to MG and probably a continuity of MG. People probably wouldn't appreciate it as much as they do.

So it's easy to go "ah this should have been the third album instead of Be Here Now. But that didn't happen because of one decision. It was a perfect storm that gave us Be Here Now AND The Masterplan.

What people also forget is that The Masterplan only works as an album because we know it’s a compilation. Had it been a studio album it wouldve been so incoherent sonically.

Ive always felt that if they were going to use these tracks, the best way to do it would’ve been spread them out across the albums. For example Ive long felt Listen Up shouldve been on DM instead of Shakermaker. Plus Half the World Away instead of Married With Children and maybe Headshrinker for Digsy’s Dinner, although the latter change would admittedly leave DM with nothing light-hearted.

Similarly, we know Going Nowhere is from about 1993, so it could’ve been a double A-side with Whatever. Then scrub the two Swamp Song interludes on WTSMG for Talk Tonight and Rockin’ Chair, while maybe replacing Hey Now with The Masterplan. And for Be Here Now, Id have Fade Away, Step Out and Stay Young instead of Magic Pie, Fade In Out and the AATW reprise.

That would still leave you with things like Cloudburst, Underneath The Sky and Its Good To Be Free as b-sides, plus the replaced album tracks. A b-sides comp still wouldnt have been terrible.

*Obvs this is in a dream scenario, where tracks would still sound the same if recorded at a different time, which likely wouldnt happen. As for example had Fade Away or Step Out been recorded in the BHN sessions, they probably would be too overproduced and messily mixed.

[SallyIsTheMainCharacter]

Oct 18, 2023 6:03:48 GMT -5 2nz said:

Taylor's 1989 reissue will still be riding high.

And taylor is releasing 4 colored CD with different photo cards

[Aman]

Sounds strange to say but sometimes I forget how brilliant the song The Masterplan is.

Underneath The Sky my favourite though off the album.