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Post by bornidle on Jun 5, 2023 5:34:28 GMT -5
My sources are saying it’s a new Catfish and Bottlemen album.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jun 5, 2023 5:45:43 GMT -5
More muddy mixes and shit drums. Yay! There's plenty of plodding drums on Noel' s non-Sardy output. Noel must like a good plod. |
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Post by carlober on Jun 5, 2023 9:55:24 GMT -5
More muddy mixes and shit drums. Yay! There's plenty of plodding drums on Noel' s non-Sardy output. Noel must like a good plod. Yeah, my comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. We got shit drums and shit mixing on Council Skies too - and the main culprit is Noel. As his engineer said: "he likes things quite mono". I bet he likes stomping, plodding drums too. Sardy has become a bit of a scapegoat after HFB1... He's produced a lot of solid stuff but whenever he's been involved with Oasis/Noel the results were subpar, bar a few songs. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 5, 2023 10:05:50 GMT -5
I quite like the sound of Chasing Yesterday.
It’s nothing spectacular, but after the debut, even just crisp competence was a major breath of fresh air.
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Post by mossy on Jun 5, 2023 10:18:15 GMT -5
I remember a carefree time in my youth when I just banged albums on the stereo and enjoyed them. Oh to be that innocent again.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jun 5, 2023 10:22:06 GMT -5
My sources are saying it’s a new Catfish and Bottlemen album. There’s also talk of gerbils…. God bless. |
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Post by glider on Jun 5, 2023 12:18:47 GMT -5
Sardy and another artist collaboration...  |
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Post by glider on Jun 5, 2023 12:33:00 GMT -5
I don't see how this contradicts my post. My point is that no matter how you slice it, Noel has more exciting production options going forward than Dave Sardy. If Dig Out Your Soul is the peak of his work with Noel, then I rest my case. It wouldn't take a radical overhaul in vision to make that album sound better; it just needs to groove with half the vibrancy which it could do. It's fashionable now to blame Noel for all these things, but if Sardy has no ability to liven things up when Noel's tendencies don't already point that way, then I'm even more hopeful that he doesn't end up collaborating with him again. And in any case, there's no way anyone who was paid to produce an album and signed off on "If I Had a Gun" should be allowed back in the plan, for me. Sardy used up his three strikes on the first three tracks of Noel's debut. Hired hand or not, those songs sound like half the instrumental is happening in next doors bathroom. When you have Holmes on speed-dial, Spike Stent on text, and you're one email away from Brian Eno, it's hard to excite people for Sardy based on the drums in "Falling Down". Of course Sardy can do competent productions and has done with Noel, but going forward, I'd rather see other names in the liner notes. Brian Eno is 75 years old. He also hasn’t really done any album producing in well over 15 years with Markus Dravs doing the heavy sonic lifting for Viva. Noel can do better and younger. Sardy is a good producer but a horrendous audio engineer. He caves to the audio vices that Noel picked up with Owen Morris and drains all life from otherwise terrific production. Dig Out Your Soul is a great example - that album is teeming with spatial audio themes and expansive wide soundscapes, but it all gets squished into one channel most of the time. |
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Post by Manualex on Jun 5, 2023 12:49:39 GMT -5
My sources are saying it’s a new Catfish and Bottlemen album. I just saw that Van is the only member remaining in the band, time to change names? |
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 5, 2023 13:10:16 GMT -5
My theory is that he’s remixing Definitely Maybe & Morning Glory Please no. Those albums don't need remixing especially by Sardy. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 5, 2023 16:03:57 GMT -5
My theory is that he’s remixing Definitely Maybe & Morning Glory Please no. Those albums don't need remixing especially by Sardy. I wouldn’t mind having those albums mixed with more modern sensibilities letting some of the different layers come through. As bonuses though not as the only available version. |
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Post by Manualex on Jun 5, 2023 16:09:06 GMT -5
It could be the post 2000 b-side/rarity best of that was canned in the height of the pandemic(?)
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Post by dadrocker on Jun 5, 2023 20:22:44 GMT -5
The more released the merrier. Time is of the essence, Chief.
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Post by World71R on Jun 5, 2023 22:02:19 GMT -5
There's plenty of plodding drums on Noel' s non-Sardy output. Noel must like a good plod. Yeah, my comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. We got shit drums and shit mixing on Council Skies too - and the main culprit is Noel. As his engineer said: "he likes things quite mono". I bet he likes stomping, plodding drums too. Sardy has become a bit of a scapegoat after HFB1... He's produced a lot of solid stuff but whenever he's been involved with Oasis/Noel the results were subpar, bar a few songs. After I heard that comment, it's ruined a lot of the songs on CS for me lol. Like, I hear some songs with great driving guitars that should hit a lot harder than they do but they do because they get shoved in the mix throughout the same way everything else is. FWIW, I think Sardy did a good job with HFB1 and songs like The Death of You & Me, Soldier Boys & Jesus Freaks, and Stranded on the Wrong Beach (Everybody's on the Run and If I Had a Gun too) with how he breathed life into the songs. He made them sound really vibrant in a way that I don't think Noel would've done on his own, and that's really been the case any time Noel has had an external producer at the desk... Brian Eno is 75 years old. He also hasn’t really done any album producing in well over 15 years with Markus Dravs doing the heavy sonic lifting for Viva. Noel can do better and younger. Sardy is a good producer but a horrendous audio engineer. He caves to the audio vices that Noel picked up with Owen Morris and drains all life from otherwise terrific production. Dig Out Your Soul is a great example - that album is teeming with spatial audio themes and expansive wide soundscapes, but it all gets squished into one channel most of the time. I really wish DOYS would've gotten the David Holmes or Spike Stent treatment. Holmes' production on WBTM sounded like what DOYS could've been in the right hands (Be Careful What You Wish For is a great example). Like, The Turning with Holmes producing would've been mega or Falling Down (imagine that last chorus with the It's a Beautiful World treatment). All of this makes me miss the WBTM era and how fun it was to take all those songs in and just bask in the vibrant beauty of it. David Holmes has gotta come back (especially with how good Noel's songwriting is right now). |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 5, 2023 23:07:46 GMT -5
Yeah, my comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek. We got shit drums and shit mixing on Council Skies too - and the main culprit is Noel. As his engineer said: "he likes things quite mono". I bet he likes stomping, plodding drums too. Sardy has become a bit of a scapegoat after HFB1... He's produced a lot of solid stuff but whenever he's been involved with Oasis/Noel the results were subpar, bar a few songs. After I heard that comment, it's ruined a lot of the songs on CS for me lol. Like, I hear some songs with great driving guitars that should hit a lot harder than they do but they do because they get shoved in the mix throughout the same way everything else is. FWIW, I think Sardy did a good job with HFB1 and songs like The Death of You & Me, Soldier Boys & Jesus Freaks, and Stranded on the Wrong Beach (Everybody's on the Run and If I Had a Gun too) with how he breathed life into the songs. He made them sound really vibrant in a way that I don't think Noel would've done on his own, and that's really been the case any time Noel has had an external producer at the desk... Sardy is a good producer but a horrendous audio engineer. He caves to the audio vices that Noel picked up with Owen Morris and drains all life from otherwise terrific production. Dig Out Your Soul is a great example - that album is teeming with spatial audio themes and expansive wide soundscapes, but it all gets squished into one channel most of the time. I really wish DOYS would've gotten the David Holmes or Spike Stent treatment. Holmes' production on WBTM sounded like what DOYS could've been in the right hands (Be Careful What You Wish For is a great example). Like, The Turning with Holmes producing would've been mega or Falling Down (imagine that last chorus with the It's a Beautiful World treatment). All of this makes me miss the WBTM era and how fun it was to take all those songs in and just bask in the vibrant beauty of it. David Holmes has gotta come back (especially with how good Noel's songwriting is right now). It takes Noel years to drop music. He’s already said his acoustic themed album is next up. That’s like 3 years from now. Let’s assume Holmes is after that, that’s another 3 years. All the sudden Noel is 65 years old. Plus he’s got so many outstanding projects at the moment. Lost Oasis songs, cover album, Sardy album, black keys album, annual record store day drop which didn’t even occur in year 2!!! |
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Post by mossy on Jun 6, 2023 10:33:31 GMT -5
After I heard that comment, it's ruined a lot of the songs on CS for me lol. Like, I hear some songs with great driving guitars that should hit a lot harder than they do but they do because they get shoved in the mix throughout the same way everything else is. FWIW, I think Sardy did a good job with HFB1 and songs like The Death of You & Me, Soldier Boys & Jesus Freaks, and Stranded on the Wrong Beach (Everybody's on the Run and If I Had a Gun too) with how he breathed life into the songs. He made them sound really vibrant in a way that I don't think Noel would've done on his own, and that's really been the case any time Noel has had an external producer at the desk... I really wish DOYS would've gotten the David Holmes or Spike Stent treatment. Holmes' production on WBTM sounded like what DOYS could've been in the right hands (Be Careful What You Wish For is a great example). Like, The Turning with Holmes producing would've been mega or Falling Down (imagine that last chorus with the It's a Beautiful World treatment). All of this makes me miss the WBTM era and how fun it was to take all those songs in and just bask in the vibrant beauty of it. David Holmes has gotta come back (especially with how good Noel's songwriting is right now). It takes Noel years to drop music. He’s already said his acoustic themed album is next up. That’s like 3 years from now. Let’s assume Holmes is after that, that’s another 3 years. All the sudden Noel is 65 years old. Plus he’s got so many outstanding projects at the moment. Lost Oasis songs, cover album, Sardy album, black keys album, annual record store day drop which didn’t even occur in year 2!!! You’re extrapolating a few “projects” here to be bigger than they are. Sardy Album. His exact words were a Sardy “thing”. It’s not a new album, it is almost certainly Oasis or HFB1 reissue related. Why do you think this is an album? Black Keys Album. Where’ve you heard this is an album? They did 3 days in his studio in Jan when passing through London and their schedules happened to align. I haven’t seen mention of anything more than that. Maybe a tune will come out of it on one or the others next album. Covers album. He made an off the cuff remark in an interview that he records covers in down time in the studio and might release them one day. He never actually said full album. Might be a RSD EP. He may even consider that “project” done now Mind Games has been released on CS. Lost Oasis songs. He said he’ll probably just record these solo now. They’ll get sucked into future album cycles similar to Don’t Stop ending up on CS. I’m sure he will eventually do more Magic Secrets and some will end up there too, annoying as it is that he missed this year. |
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Post by niftium on Jun 6, 2023 11:33:15 GMT -5
The more released the merrier. Time is of the essence, Chief. I'd really like someone with the guts to do it ask him this in an interview, right? "Look, you're banging on about being old and accepting that. You don't have bills to pay. Why hold back so much? You don't seem like the guy to worry about 'sullying his legacy' or crap like that. The man who railed against The Man is going to let the future owner of his recordings get the first returns on a bunch of unreleased stuff? Why??" |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2023 12:03:52 GMT -5
It takes Noel years to drop music. He’s already said his acoustic themed album is next up. That’s like 3 years from now. Let’s assume Holmes is after that, that’s another 3 years. All the sudden Noel is 65 years old. Plus he’s got so many outstanding projects at the moment. Lost Oasis songs, cover album, Sardy album, black keys album, annual record store day drop which didn’t even occur in year 2!!! You’re extrapolating a few “projects” here to be bigger than they are. Sardy Album. His exact words were a Sardy “thing”. It’s not a new album, it is almost certainly Oasis or HFB1 reissue related. Why do you think this is an album? Black Keys Album. Where’ve you heard this is an album? They did 3 days in his studio in Jan when passing through London and their schedules happened to align. I haven’t seen mention of anything more than that. Maybe a tune will come out of it on one or the others next album. Covers album. He made an off the cuff remark in an interview that he records covers in down time in the studio and might release them one day. He never actually said full album. Might be a RSD EP. He may even consider that “project” done now Mind Games has been released on CS. Lost Oasis songs. He said he’ll probably just record these solo now. They’ll get sucked into future album cycles similar to Don’t Stop ending up on CS. I’m sure he will eventually do more Magic Secrets and some will end up there too, annoying as it is that he missed this year. Semantics. Whatever you wanna call it. My point was is Noel is not a high volume guy. He’s not an Albarn or Tweedy or Yorke. All of the same generation and age. |
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Post by mossy on Jun 6, 2023 12:26:35 GMT -5
You’re extrapolating a few “projects” here to be bigger than they are. Sardy Album. His exact words were a Sardy “thing”. It’s not a new album, it is almost certainly Oasis or HFB1 reissue related. Why do you think this is an album? Black Keys Album. Where’ve you heard this is an album? They did 3 days in his studio in Jan when passing through London and their schedules happened to align. I haven’t seen mention of anything more than that. Maybe a tune will come out of it on one or the others next album. Covers album. He made an off the cuff remark in an interview that he records covers in down time in the studio and might release them one day. He never actually said full album. Might be a RSD EP. He may even consider that “project” done now Mind Games has been released on CS. Lost Oasis songs. He said he’ll probably just record these solo now. They’ll get sucked into future album cycles similar to Don’t Stop ending up on CS. I’m sure he will eventually do more Magic Secrets and some will end up there too, annoying as it is that he missed this year. Semantics. Whatever you wanna call it. My point was is Noel is not a high volume guy. He’s not an Albarn or Tweedy or Yorke. All of the same generation and age. Agree he’s a not a high volume guy. But it is not because he’s got loads of albums / big projects on the go. He’s just a lazy mofo who often chats pure shite in interviews… 🦥 |
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 6, 2023 13:37:56 GMT -5
Please no. Those albums don't need remixing especially by Sardy. I wouldn’t mind having those albums mixed with more modern sensibilities letting some of the different layers come through. As bonuses though not as the only available version. I don't think remixing these albums would do them any more justice really, they're all right as they are. |
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Post by bornidle on Feb 17, 2024 10:56:01 GMT -5
My sources are saying it’s a new Catfish and Bottlemen album. My sources were correct. New Catfish and The Bottlemen album coming soon produced by Sardy. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Feb 17, 2024 13:51:06 GMT -5
To those who never stop complaining about “plodding”, pick up a f*cking guitar and write ONE song as good as Noel, just one, and then you can keep up with that annoying mantra.
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2024 13:51:41 GMT -5
My sources are saying it’s a new Catfish and Bottlemen album. My sources were correct. New Catfish and The Bottlemen album coming soon produced by Sardy. So what’s Noel’s connection? |
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Post by didthedamage on Feb 18, 2024 9:38:31 GMT -5
My sources were correct. New Catfish and The Bottlemen album coming soon produced by Sardy. So what’s Noel’s connection? Maybe he contributed some guitar here and there. He's acknowledged CatB in interviews (eg. them nicking a bit from Lyla). |
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Post by drummert5 on Feb 18, 2024 12:47:14 GMT -5
I’m convinced Sardy made The Turning as good as it is - the demo is the same sort of stompy song Noel was writing a lot at the time, but the released version is a great rock tune.
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