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Post by hwhfb on Jun 4, 2023 11:57:21 GMT -5
Any ideas as to what this could be? Noel mentioned it a couple of times during Xposure on Radio X Friday night.
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Post by mossy on Jun 4, 2023 12:35:42 GMT -5
Any ideas as to what this could be? Noel mentioned it a couple of times during Xposure on Radio X Friday night. Is there a way to listen back to this? đ» |
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Post by Casino Boogie on Jun 4, 2023 14:35:50 GMT -5
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Jun 4, 2023 16:24:58 GMT -5
Sardy is great at what he does. Top bloke.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 4, 2023 16:32:05 GMT -5
Sardy is great at what he does. Top bloke. He produced one of my fav songs of all time. âThe Ratâ by The Walkmen. |
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Post by matt on Jun 4, 2023 16:33:37 GMT -5
If Sardy's producing it, let's hope it stays a mystery.
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Post by carlober on Jun 4, 2023 16:35:34 GMT -5
More muddy mixes and shit drums. Yay!
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Post by matt on Jun 4, 2023 16:47:16 GMT -5
More muddy mixes and shit drums. Yay! Not to mention an album where we're plodded to death. Plod, plod, plod. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jun 4, 2023 17:09:56 GMT -5
Sardy is great at what he does. Top bloke. He produced one of my fav songs of all time. âThe Ratâ by The Walkmen. And produced and/or mixed the likes of LCD Soundsystem, for instance. With all due respect, thinking that he does not know how to mix the drums in a conventional rock song is simply delusional. Sardy is a gun for hire that helps artists to get the sound they want for each project. So blame Noel, not Sardy. It's Noel the one who has a knack for those types of dirty mixes for certain types of songs, as shown in mĂșltiple songs where Sardy had no involvement. Noel has also shown many times in his own productions that if he wants a clean sound, he knows how to do it (think the drums in This is the place, for instance). But sometimes he does not want that: you may like it or not (I don't like it in songs like Council Skies) but I am convinced it is a deliberate decision |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 4, 2023 18:18:07 GMT -5
He produced one of my fav songs of all time. âThe Ratâ by The Walkmen. And produced and/or mixed the likes of LCD Soundsystem, for instance. With all due respect, thinking that he does not know how to mix the drums in a conventional rock song is simply delusional. Sardy is a gun for hire that helps artists to get the sound they want for each project. So blame Noel, not Sardy. It's Noel the one who has a knack for those types of dirty mixes for certain types of songs, as shown in mĂșltiple songs where Sardy had no involvement. Noel has also shown many times in his own productions that if he wants a clean sound, he knows how to do it (think the drums in This is the place, for instance). But sometimes he does not want that: you may like it or not (I don't like it in songs like Council Skies) but I am convinced it is a deliberate decision Whenever people complain about Sardy and drums, I think about âFalling Down,â a song thatâs immaculately produced and mixed, namely, through its drums. Itâs telling that Dig Out Your Soul is the only album where Sardy wasnât brought in as a gun for fire and (separate from the quality of the songs) it sounds fantastic. Ultimately the songs on HB1 are plodding because Noel wrote plodding songs. And Iâd like to see what Sardy could do, if ala Dig Out You Soul, he came in on the ground floor rather than at the last second to salvage a project like he had to do with Donât Believe the Truth and HB1. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 4, 2023 18:43:00 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul would have benefitted from a better producer.
"Falling Down" was the exception. Tracks like "Bag it Up" don't sound nearly as alive as they could do; overall, the sound is fine, competent, solid. But if that's Sardy at his best and there's a chance we end up with more of the bathroom-echo blurred mush that almost wrecked half of Noel's debut, then I'd rather we steer clear.
I still want David Holmes Collab 2.0.
Let Noel write songs at home and bring them to Holmes as well as the studio experimentation. There are acres of unexplored ground there yet. Do it after the Oasis reunion tour.
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Post by spaneli on Jun 4, 2023 19:15:12 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul would have benefitted from a better producer. "Falling Down" was the exception. Tracks like "Bag it Up" don't sound nearly as alive as they could do; overall, the sound is fine, competent, solid. But if that's Sardy at his best and there's a chance we end up with more of the bathroom-echo blurred mush that almost wrecked half of Noel's debut, then I'd rather we steer clear. I still want David Holmes Collab 2.0. Let Noel write songs at home and bring them to Holmes as well as the studio experimentation. There are acres of unexplored ground there yet. Do it after the Oasis reunion tour. You have a misplaced concept of what pull a producer has. Holmes is great, mostly, because Noel was open to being pushed even further than he was on Dig Out Your Soul. But if Holmes had gotten Dig Out Your Soul era Noel, and the Oasis of that era too for that matter, thereâs no real guarantee that it would have sounded much better in his hands. I think Sardy pushed that band, sonically, as far he could have and as far as any producer could have. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 4, 2023 20:02:29 GMT -5
Dig Out Your Soul would have benefitted from a better producer. "Falling Down" was the exception. Tracks like "Bag it Up" don't sound nearly as alive as they could do; overall, the sound is fine, competent, solid. But if that's Sardy at his best and there's a chance we end up with more of the bathroom-echo blurred mush that almost wrecked half of Noel's debut, then I'd rather we steer clear. I still want David Holmes Collab 2.0. Let Noel write songs at home and bring them to Holmes as well as the studio experimentation. There are acres of unexplored ground there yet. Do it after the Oasis reunion tour. You have a misplaced concept of what pull a producer has. Holmes is great, mostly, because Noel was open to being pushed even further than he was on Dig Out Your Soul. But if Holmes had gotten Dig Out Your Soul era Noel, and the Oasis of that era too for that matter, thereâs no real guarantee that it would have sounded much better in his hands. I think Sardy pushed that band, sonically, as far he could have and as far as any producer could have. I don't see how this contradicts my post. My point is that Noel has more exciting options going forward than Sardy. If Dig Out Your Soul is the peak of his work with Noel, then I rest my case. It wouldn't take a radical overhaul in vision to make that album sound better; it just needs to groove with half the vibrancy which it could do. It's fashionable now to blame Noel for all these things, but if Sardy has no ability to liven things up when Noel's tendencies don't already point that way, then I'm even more hopeful that he doesn't end up collaborating with him again. And in any case, there's no way anyone who was paid to produce an album and signed off on "If I Had a Gun" should be allowed back in the plan, for me. Sardy used up his three strikes on the first three tracks of Noel's debut. Hired hand or not, those songs sound like half the instrumental is happening in next doors bathroom. When you have Holmes on speed-dial, Spike Stent on text, and you're one email away from Brian Eno, it's hard to excite people for Sardy based on the drums in "Falling Down". Of course Sardy can do competent productions and has done with Noel, but going forward, I'd rather see other names in the liner notes. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 4, 2023 20:17:53 GMT -5
You have a misplaced concept of what pull a producer has. Holmes is great, mostly, because Noel was open to being pushed even further than he was on Dig Out Your Soul. But if Holmes had gotten Dig Out Your Soul era Noel, and the Oasis of that era too for that matter, thereâs no real guarantee that it would have sounded much better in his hands. I think Sardy pushed that band, sonically, as far he could have and as far as any producer could have. I don't see how this contradicts my post. My point is that no matter how you slice it, Noel has more exciting production options going forward than Dave Sardy. If Dig Out Your Soul is the peak of his work with Noel, then I rest my case. It wouldn't take a radical overhaul in vision to make that album sound better; it just needs to groove with half the vibrancy which it could do. It's fashionable now to blame Noel for all these things, but if Sardy has no ability to liven things up when Noel's tendencies don't already point that way, then I'm even more hopeful that he doesn't end up collaborating with him again. And in any case, there's no way anyone who was paid to produce an album and signed off on "If I Had a Gun" should be allowed back in the plan, for me. Sardy used up his three strikes on the first three tracks of Noel's debut. Hired hand or not, those songs sound like half the instrumental is happening in next doors bathroom. When you have Holmes on speed-dial, Spike Stent on text, and you're one email away from Brian Eno, it's hard to excite people for Sardy based on the drums in "Falling Down". Of course Sardy can do competent productions and has done with Noel, but going forward, I'd rather see other names in the liner notes. Brian Eno is 75 years old. He also hasnât really done any album producing in well over 15 years with Markus Dravs doing the heavy sonic lifting for Viva. Noel can do better and younger. |
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Post by NY on Jun 4, 2023 20:31:10 GMT -5
My theory is that heâs remixing Definitely Maybe & Morning Glory
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 4, 2023 20:54:40 GMT -5
My theory is that heâs remixing Definitely Maybe & Morning Glory That would open a can of worms of mostly hate. |
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Post by Sadie on Jun 4, 2023 20:56:52 GMT -5
My theory is that heâs remixing Definitely Maybe & Morning Glory NO. Remixing those 2 albums is sacrilege, I hope to god he leaves them be |
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Post by drummert5 on Jun 4, 2023 22:19:55 GMT -5
And produced and/or mixed the likes of LCD Soundsystem, for instance. With all due respect, thinking that he does not know how to mix the drums in a conventional rock song is simply delusional. Sardy is a gun for hire that helps artists to get the sound they want for each project. So blame Noel, not Sardy. It's Noel the one who has a knack for those types of dirty mixes for certain types of songs, as shown in mĂșltiple songs where Sardy had no involvement. Noel has also shown many times in his own productions that if he wants a clean sound, he knows how to do it (think the drums in This is the place, for instance). But sometimes he does not want that: you may like it or not (I don't like it in songs like Council Skies) but I am convinced it is a deliberate decision Whenever people complain about Sardy and drums, I think about âFalling Down,â a song thatâs immaculately produced and mixed, namely, through its drums. Itâs telling that Dig Out Your Soul is the only album where Sardy wasnât brought in as a gun for fire and (separate from the quality of the songs) it sounds fantastic. Ultimately the songs on HB1 are plodding because Noel wrote plodding songs. And Iâd like to see what Sardy could do, if ala Dig Out You Soul, he came in on the ground floor rather than at the last second to salvage a project like he had to do with Donât Believe the Truth and HB1. I thought HB1 was Sardy from the word go? Who was originally doing it? |
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Post by Manualex on Jun 4, 2023 22:23:04 GMT -5
Whenever people complain about Sardy and drums, I think about âFalling Down,â a song thatâs immaculately produced and mixed, namely, through its drums. Itâs telling that Dig Out Your Soul is the only album where Sardy wasnât brought in as a gun for fire and (separate from the quality of the songs) it sounds fantastic. Ultimately the songs on HB1 are plodding because Noel wrote plodding songs. And Iâd like to see what Sardy could do, if ala Dig Out You Soul, he came in on the ground floor rather than at the last second to salvage a project like he had to do with Donât Believe the Truth and HB1. I thought HB1 was Sardy from the word go? Who was originally doing it? "Noel's songs were great. The recordings needed fixing. I think he started out doing demos and then the excitement grew to the point where he thought he was done. It was presented to me like, 'Here's the album, when are you available to mix it?' [..] I flew to the UK and sat down with Noel, and I went through it song by song and what I thought the problems were. By the time we got to the fifth song, he had his head in his hands, and he was like, 'What are you trying to say?' And I said, 'I'm not trying to say. I'm telling you.'; We went through each song measure by measure, and every fifth measure or so I'd say, 'And what about this?' or 'What about that?' It wasn't like I said anything that was a shock to him; I just think he was used to the way everything sounded. At the end, he said, 'Well, how do we change it?' And I said, 'Don't worry, leave it up to me.' He had built a beautiful house, but it was sitting on a tarpit. We had to move it and put it on a better foundation." Noel had said that when working on the basic demos for the album at the time of the album's beginning stages of production, "Dave said he thought he could make it 10 percent better by re-recording some drums and bass and things. Watching Dave make it sound like a group when it's really just me and a click track was just a fantastic experience. I love Dave Sardy. He's great at what he does. He's great at what I'm not great at. In fact, I don't know exactly what he does, but he's brilliant at it. He really digs my songwriting, and he brings the best out of me because what he does inspires me." Link to the interview www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-dave-sardy-on-producing-noel-gallagher-working-at-abbey-road-531172 |
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Post by mossy on Jun 5, 2023 2:27:46 GMT -5
Thanks. I loved the story about how David Gilmour mugged him off. Of course Dave didnât want to play on Easy Now đ My best guess on the Sardy âthingâ, âwhich has yet to see the light of dayâ, is a remaster/remix of HFB for the 10th anniversary. Less likely, is finishing mixing the AA tapes too, in addition to the remaster. We know Noel canât be arsed sifting through all that material himself to mix it, but might have considered Sardy a trusted pair of hands already familiar with the songs enough to salvage a few tracks to use as bonuses for a reissue. The timing of his LA visit, during the height of the pandemic lockdowns 2020-2021, wouldâve been just before the HFB 10th anniversary⊠Wouldâve made sense to do this in the significant downtime he had planned between albums, but it didnât work out and neither did the Oasis best of, so he did the solo best of instead? Thatâs my guess anyway. Fingers crossed for the 15th anniversary! đ§ââïž |
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Post by mossy on Jun 5, 2023 2:52:17 GMT -5
I still want David Holmes Collab 2.0. In the XFM interview he said he still expects this to happen eventuallyđ€ |
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Jun 5, 2023 4:35:26 GMT -5
Who Built the Moon: The Dave Sardy Rethink
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 5, 2023 5:16:01 GMT -5
I don't see how this contradicts my post. My point is that no matter how you slice it, Noel has more exciting production options going forward than Dave Sardy. If Dig Out Your Soul is the peak of his work with Noel, then I rest my case. It wouldn't take a radical overhaul in vision to make that album sound better; it just needs to groove with half the vibrancy which it could do. It's fashionable now to blame Noel for all these things, but if Sardy has no ability to liven things up when Noel's tendencies don't already point that way, then I'm even more hopeful that he doesn't end up collaborating with him again. And in any case, there's no way anyone who was paid to produce an album and signed off on "If I Had a Gun" should be allowed back in the plan, for me. Sardy used up his three strikes on the first three tracks of Noel's debut. Hired hand or not, those songs sound like half the instrumental is happening in next doors bathroom. When you have Holmes on speed-dial, Spike Stent on text, and you're one email away from Brian Eno, it's hard to excite people for Sardy based on the drums in "Falling Down". Of course Sardy can do competent productions and has done with Noel, but going forward, I'd rather see other names in the liner notes. Brian Eno is 75 years old. He also hasnât really done any album producing in well over 15 years with Markus Dravs doing the heavy sonic lifting for Viva. Noel can do better and younger. I don't need him to do a bit of parkour before he enters the studio; he could be older than Yoda, for me. Viva is Viva because of how Eno guided the band to find their same old strengths in entirely new ways - "sprinkled them in magic dust", as Chris put it - and that's exactly the kind of thing Noel needs. Let someone else do the sonic lifting if needed - but any Eno influence is more exciting than Sardy Round Four! |
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 5, 2023 5:17:10 GMT -5
I thought HB1 was Sardy from the word go? Who was originally doing it? "Noel's songs were great. The recordings needed fixing. I think he started out doing demos and then the excitement grew to the point where he thought he was done. It was presented to me like, 'Here's the album, when are you available to mix it?' [..] I flew to the UK and sat down with Noel, and I went through it song by song and what I thought the problems were. By the time we got to the fifth song, he had his head in his hands, and he was like, 'What are you trying to say?' And I said, 'I'm not trying to say. I'm telling you.'; We went through each song measure by measure, and every fifth measure or so I'd say, 'And what about this?' or 'What about that?' It wasn't like I said anything that was a shock to him; I just think he was used to the way everything sounded. At the end, he said, 'Well, how do we change it?' And I said, 'Don't worry, leave it up to me.' He had built a beautiful house, but it was sitting on a tarpit. We had to move it and put it on a better foundation." Noel had said that when working on the basic demos for the album at the time of the album's beginning stages of production, "Dave said he thought he could make it 10 percent better by re-recording some drums and bass and things. Watching Dave make it sound like a group when it's really just me and a click track was just a fantastic experience. I love Dave Sardy. He's great at what he does. He's great at what I'm not great at. In fact, I don't know exactly what he does, but he's brilliant at it. He really digs my songwriting, and he brings the best out of me because what he does inspires me." Link to the interview www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-dave-sardy-on-producing-noel-gallagher-working-at-abbey-road-531172Release the Gallagher cut! |
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Post by mossy on Jun 5, 2023 5:21:54 GMT -5
Noel is still talking about working with Holmes again in very recent interviews. He has produced two albums and the 3 EPs himself since last working with Sardy 12 years ago.
So I donât think heâs considering working with Sardy on anything new. The timing of their meeting in LA makes me think this was HFB debut album reissue related.
Could even be latter day Oasis reissue related. Maybe the latter days Best Of he wanted to do. Tunes he found from the DBTT and DOYS sessions.
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