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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 29, 2023 5:50:04 GMT -5
I think it is just X-X-0-6-7-0. And why not, it is actually similar to The Masterplan's first chord xD Just the other way around, one string lower etc. but similar xD
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Post by rollagher on Mar 29, 2023 11:47:28 GMT -5
Well well Well as far as I'm concerned it's a proof that he still got it! He's such a gifted melodist, a shame that he wasted the last few years with weirdo dance disco scissor muzak!
Btw. my new Song, Tell me what you think:
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Post by bt95 on Mar 29, 2023 16:05:03 GMT -5
Liam can't sing Dead To The World. I mean he can, but Noel's version would be better so if this was an Oasis song and they were smart, they would use Noel's version. I love Rolo and his work but I don't like that much his cover of Dead To The World. And his voice is similar to Liam's. To me, Dead To The World is not on of those NGHFB songs that I wish or wonder how it would sound if Liam sang it. I would say that is most similar to The Masterplan. I tend to imagine what most Noel songs would be like with liam singing - it is hard not to - and generally I think after one or two listens you can know if it sounds right in your head. I think Liam could do a tender song like this but I don't think he'd bring out quite the same emotion that Noel does here. He's not belting out the chorus like you'd expect, and that really elevates it for me. Easy Now, for example, I think would be elevated by Liam's voice. |
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Post by rorymcbride on Mar 29, 2023 17:05:19 GMT -5
Noelly G doesn't hit very often for me but this is a SMASH. In the last however many years I've had the Ricky Martin one, "If Love Is The Law" and "Black Star Dancing" as the best things he's done since X but this pulverizes them all purely for not sounding like I'm expecting him to sound.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Mar 29, 2023 17:15:25 GMT -5
I think it is just X-X-0-6-7-0. And why not, it is actually similar to The Masterplan's first chord xD Just the other way around, one string lower etc. but similar xD Agree. This is Noel. It’s likely just 0-6-7 to 0-5-6 |
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Post by The Chief on Mar 29, 2023 18:30:16 GMT -5
I think it is just X-X-0-6-7-0. And why not, it is actually similar to The Masterplan's first chord xD Just the other way around, one string lower etc. but similar xD Agree. This is Noel. It’s likely just 0-6-7 to 0-5-6 Maybe but I tried it again and it really doesn't sound right to me. I started from the higher strings to figure out the chords and that's how I found XX0222 and XX0211. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 29, 2023 18:44:31 GMT -5
A good 7/10 at the moment. I like it, a really nice tune. It's very dreamy, more haunting than his usual stuff and I'm liking that style - yes I am all for Noel becoming the male Kate Bush! I can hear bits of Scott Walker, Nick Drake and Burt Bacharach again (the latter influence always a welcome presence on any Noel song) and great news that he's diverting away from the usual 'yer da's' Britrock inspirations. I'm not blown away by it like others though, it and it doesn't have the emotional impact of Dead In The Water (which is the benchmark tune of this kind). It seems a bit slight, for me it just lacks that killer touch to move from very good to genuine classic. But overall the song is definitely a vibe and direction I can get on board with. That's just me though. I get why folk love it though. I also love seeing so many folk bowled over by it and if it works for so many of you, then that's the main thing. Change the seven to a six and this is where I am. What's your hype-level for this album, matt ? And theyknowwhatimean , don't starve me of your thoughts on the tune. Hey Escapist, old friend. Apologies for my radio silence. I've got out of the habit of posting on here, though I still check regularly. First off, I agreed completely with a statement you made on here a few months back, about your nagging issues with Noel's output post-Who Built the Moon. You blamed the disposable feel of Noel's songwriting of late on its lack of emotionality, except for the occasional well placed line here and there (e.g. the "Good luck in the afterlife" lyric from 'We're on Our Way Now'). I was chuffed, therefore, to hear in 'Dead to the World' what sounded to me like sincere emotion, rendered with care and consideration in a coherent lyric, accompanied with elegantly composed and arranged musical backing. Just the cohesive nature of the song's music and lyrics feels like rain in the desert to me after the last few years of flaccidly disappointing trifles like 'Black Star Dancing' and 'Blue Moon Rising'. I was surprised to find you and matt weren't more keen, given that you both admire 'Dead on the Water', a tune I find to be overlong and a bit of a grind by comparison to this (it's Noel's shouty vocals in the chorus that does it). But, then, I guess it's absurd to assume that, just because you liked one acoustic ballad with "dead" in the title, you'd be bound to love the other too. They are different songs in every way except for genre and tempo. The appeal of 'Dead to the World' for me so far has been mostly to do with the recording, which I think is a corker, and its presentation with production, mixing, and, mastering. I love Noel's delicate vocals, and the space in the mix owing to the absence of drums. The strings are a bit John Barry, the accordian's a bit Divine Comedy; and given that I'm a fan of both, the song's pretty much automatically got my vote. Of course, with any song that sounds good, there's always the question of how well the composition will hold up to repeated listens once the novelty of its presentation has worn off. I don't know what I'll think about 'Dead to the World' in years to come. I'm pretty sure it won't line up as one of the best songs Noel's ever written in mine or many other people's minds. But, at the same time, I added it to my playlist of favourite NGHFB songs within an hour of first hearing it (joining 'Rattling Rose' as the only post-Who Built the Moon tracks to make the grade), and I doubt that it will become dislodged anytime soon. |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 30, 2023 1:38:44 GMT -5
Agree. This is Noel. It’s likely just 0-6-7 to 0-5-6 Maybe but I tried it again and it really doesn't sound right to me. I started from the higher strings to figure out the chords and that's how I found XX0222 and XX0211. Do you have the capo on? I'm 100% sure that he'll be using a capo so I agree that it doesn't sound 100% right. However, there's definitely a slide on the record, which would suggest he's moving it down the fret board |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 30, 2023 2:50:36 GMT -5
Liam can't sing Dead To The World. I mean he can, but Noel's version would be better so if this was an Oasis song and they were smart, they would use Noel's version. I love Rolo and his work but I don't like that much his cover of Dead To The World. And his voice is similar to Liam's. To me, Dead To The World is not on of those NGHFB songs that I wish or wonder how it would sound if Liam sang it. I would say that is most similar to The Masterplan. I tend to imagine what most Noel songs would be like with liam singing - it is hard not to - and generally I think after one or two listens you can know if it sounds right in your head. I think Liam could do a tender song like this but I don't think he'd bring out quite the same emotion that Noel does here. He's not belting out the chorus like you'd expect, and that really elevates it for me. Easy Now, for example, I think would be elevated by Liam's voice. This is right i think. Easy Now could fit Liam's voice and it has the potential to be an Oasis song anthem, just that they've done it better before. Dead to the World is a Noel song. Liam would just turn it into another agressive ballad. Noel gives it melancholy. |
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Post by The Chief on Mar 30, 2023 5:33:05 GMT -5
Maybe but I tried it again and it really doesn't sound right to me. I started from the higher strings to figure out the chords and that's how I found XX0222 and XX0211. Do you have the capo on? I'm 100% sure that he'll be using a capo so I agree that it doesn't sound 100% right. However, there's definitely a slide on the record, which would suggest he's moving it down the fret board Yes on the first fret but I can't remember if I added the capo when I was figuring out these two chords or the other more regular chords for the "pre-chorus" and chorus. I'm also wondering if there's not 2 acoustic guitars playing at the same time which could explain the difference. I'm absolutely certain that we can hear the B and high E strings be played this way but the other chords are not completely off either. The recording would have to be really really in sync and/or mixed to be very subtle but it's not impossible. |
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Post by beentherenow on Mar 30, 2023 7:23:45 GMT -5
Wonderful tune. I haven’t been the biggest fan of most of the NGHFB stuff and most stuff I haven’t given listen in years but this is already on my playlist (which takes some doing)
If someone would have asked me 25 years ago what I thought a 50 something Noel would sound like, this song is exactly that. Still majestic but more mature with a beauty which would sound out of place for Oasis but perfect for this
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Post by andymorris on Mar 30, 2023 7:31:20 GMT -5
Do you have the capo on? I'm 100% sure that he'll be using a capo so I agree that it doesn't sound 100% right. However, there's definitely a slide on the record, which would suggest he's moving it down the fret board Yes on the first fret but I can't remember if I added the capo when I was figuring out these two chords or the other more regular chords for the "pre-chorus" and chorus. I'm also wondering if there's not 2 acoustic guitars playing at the same time which could explain the difference. I'm absolutely certain that we can hear the B and high E strings be played this way but the other chords are not completely off either. The recording would have to be really really in sync and/or mixed to be very subtle but it's not impossible. Havent followed the debate full length, but to make it sounds right my guess is he did not use a pick for this one. Strummed by hand You cant really have that fat acoustic sound with a pick Verse chord exclude the last two strings for sure. |
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Post by The Chief on Mar 30, 2023 8:33:14 GMT -5
Yes on the first fret but I can't remember if I added the capo when I was figuring out these two chords or the other more regular chords for the "pre-chorus" and chorus. I'm also wondering if there's not 2 acoustic guitars playing at the same time which could explain the difference. I'm absolutely certain that we can hear the B and high E strings be played this way but the other chords are not completely off either. The recording would have to be really really in sync and/or mixed to be very subtle but it's not impossible. Havent followed the debate full length, but to make it sounds right my guess is he did not use a pick for this one. Strummed by hand You cant really have that fat acoustic sound with a pick Verse chord exclude the last two strings for sure. Mmm I hear it with a pick plus Noel's not known for finger picking. But hey maybe someday we'll see him recording or a live version (even if he says he doesn't think he'd do it live we never know). |
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Post by The Chief on Mar 30, 2023 8:54:55 GMT -5
Yes on the first fret but I can't remember if I added the capo when I was figuring out these two chords or the other more regular chords for the "pre-chorus" and chorus. I'm also wondering if there's not 2 acoustic guitars playing at the same time which could explain the difference. I'm absolutely certain that we can hear the B and high E strings be played this way but the other chords are not completely off either. The recording would have to be really really in sync and/or mixed to be very subtle but it's not impossible. Havent followed the debate full length, but to make it sounds right my guess is he did not use a pick for this one. Strummed by hand You cant really have that fat acoustic sound with a pick Verse chord exclude the last two strings for sure. I muted the last string and now it sound good. I agree that the 0-6-7 to 0-5-6 are more "Noel-y" so chances are that those are the right chords. |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 30, 2023 9:54:11 GMT -5
Havent followed the debate full length, but to make it sounds right my guess is he did not use a pick for this one. Strummed by hand You cant really have that fat acoustic sound with a pick Verse chord exclude the last two strings for sure. Mmm I hear it with a pick plus Noel's not known for finger picking. But hey maybe someday we'll see him recording or a live version (even if he says he doesn't think he'd do it live we never know). Yeah fingering or a veryyyyy soft pick, but very very soft, and really muted on the recording. Wouldnt be surprised though if he tried something new. I tried this version and it sounded right to me: guitartwitt.com/dead-to-the-world-chords-noel-gallaghers-high-flying-birds/It will depend on the guitar too. I have a Martin guitar which has a very full and jazzy sound and the chords above fits perfectly. Maybe he didn't use his usual gear too. |
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Post by norkbauer on Mar 30, 2023 10:55:32 GMT -5
I'm with 0-6-7-0 and 0-5-6-0 but also believe there's two acoustic guitars on it. These moments that precede the first performance of the track are always exciting, so many doubts about how Noel plays it.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 30, 2023 11:13:31 GMT -5
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Post by Manualex on Mar 30, 2023 11:31:54 GMT -5
I'm with 0-6-7-0 and 0-5-6-0 but also believe there's two acoustic guitars on it. These moments that precede the first performance of the track are always exciting, so many doubts about how Noel plays it. It's a 12 string 😅 Edit. Is this the first time since sad song that Noel has used the 12 string in studio? |
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Post by LlAM on Mar 30, 2023 11:33:19 GMT -5
#team x57670 xx0560 🤓
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Post by The Chief on Mar 30, 2023 11:39:24 GMT -5
Ahh! There you go! That might explain it! |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 31, 2023 2:03:08 GMT -5
ah! 12 strings, that's why we dont hear the pick. "It needs to be really angelic" he says, looking absolutely pissed off... NG.   |
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 31, 2023 11:00:24 GMT -5
Hey Escapist, old friend. Apologies for my radio silence. I've got out of the habit of posting on here, though I still check regularly. First off, I agreed completely with a statement you made on here a few months back, about your nagging issues with Noel's output post-Who Built the Moon. You blamed the disposable feel of Noel's songwriting of late on its lack of emotionality, except for the occasional well placed line here and there (e.g. the "Good luck in the afterlife" lyric from 'We're on Our Way Now'). I was chuffed, therefore, to hear in 'Dead to the World' what sounded to me like sincere emotion, rendered with care and consideration in a coherent lyric, accompanied with elegantly composed and arranged musical backing. Just the cohesive nature of the song's music and lyrics feels like rain in the desert to me after the last few years of flaccidly disappointing trifles like 'Black Star Dancing' and 'Blue Moon Rising'. I was surprised to find you and matt weren't more keen, given that you both admire 'Dead on the Water', a tune I find to be overlong and a bit of a grind by comparison to this (it's Noel's shouty vocals in the chorus that does it). But, then, I guess it's absurd to assume that, just because you liked one acoustic ballad with "dead" in the title, you'd be bound to love the other too. They are different songs in every way except for genre and tempo. The appeal of 'Dead to the World' for me so far has been mostly to do with the recording, which I think is a corker, and its presentation with production, mixing, and, mastering. I love Noel's delicate vocals, and the space in the mix owing to the absence of drums. The strings are a bit John Barry, the accordian's a bit Divine Comedy; and given that I'm a fan of both, the song's pretty much automatically got my vote. Of course, with any song that sounds good, there's always the question of how well the composition will hold up to repeated listens once the novelty of its presentation has worn off. I don't know what I'll think about 'Dead to the World' in years to come. I'm pretty sure it won't line up as one of the best songs Noel's ever written in mine or many other people's minds. But, at the same time, I added it to my playlist of favourite NGHFB songs within an hour of first hearing it (joining 'Rattling Rose' as the only post-Who Built the Moon tracks to make the grade), and I doubt that it will become dislodged anytime soon. An excellent example of why you should get back into the habit of posting on here! I do take your point on the emotionality; I think the "If love ain't enough..." melody is gorgeous, for instance. I think where I've come to, though, is that the song is torn between two poles. Pole One is the sparse, almost abstract feel of the song-writing, forgoing the usual bridges and pre-choruses for those lapping falsettos and the nagging, constant melancholy. Which is great. And where I think the song, correctly, is aiming, what with the drumless sound and the accordion. But it still has half an eye on Pole Two, the more standard ballad that the acoustic guitars, the strings, and general Studio Production vibe seem to have in mind. It's not that these elements don't work, I just think they're tugging in a direction that the best parts of the track (the subtle melodies, the almost-ambient tone) have left behind. If I was allowed out of my well-worn Producing Armchair, I'd like to push the Dead to the World much further, into something even Nick-Cave-ish. Make it the abstract, psych-tinged ballad that it wants to be. Either that, or take yourself to Pole Two, where the strings live, and flesh out the more traditional ballad aspects with a bridge or a pre-chorus, or - remember 1997? - both! As is, I feel like I'm half-satisfied twice, rather than blown away once. |
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Post by Bellboy on Mar 31, 2023 17:50:37 GMT -5
WOW Ok so I love DTTW. It's a stoners anthem. Pink Floyd esque!
I really like the strings, lyrics and arrangement.
Imagine this as an Oasis B-side? It's THAT good for me! I can't get the chorus out my head atm.
9/10. Bring on the album!
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Post by walterglass on Mar 31, 2023 18:30:58 GMT -5
It’s not a “lift” at all IMO but there is a certain amount of crossover with Perfect Day.
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Post by LlAM on Apr 1, 2023 5:15:24 GMT -5
I've decided it sounds best on my acoustic 6 string to tune it to EADGBD and then slap a capo on 1st fret.
XX0222 (start very the first strum with a XXO224 and then immediately do a lift off with my pinky on the high D string from fret 4 to 2)
XX0213 (slide my pinky on the high D string from fret 3 to 4 when transitioning back to the first chord XXO224)
And then play the rest of the chords (Bm, G, E7, D and so on) with the high D string open.
Cheers.
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