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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 6, 2023 19:13:10 GMT -5
Relegation. discuss.
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Post by jezza2 on Feb 6, 2023 19:41:29 GMT -5
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Post by walterglass on Feb 6, 2023 22:15:21 GMT -5
If pushed I’d predict a fine. A fine that they can afford. And which leaves the bods at Premier League HQ quids in.
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 7, 2023 3:27:42 GMT -5
Relegate them. Chelsea Next. No Bellingham for you guys 🚬
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Post by matt on Feb 7, 2023 6:09:38 GMT -5
A paltry fine is all that it will be, the Premier League won't want to do anything that taints their brand.
Chelsea up next, Newcastle have joined City in doing a deal with the devil, all with the likelihood of Man Utd and Liverpool being bought out by similar Middle Eastern oil tycoons.
It's capitalism gone mad and English football is in ruins. Can only hope geopolitics destroys all these clubs to the extent that football is brought back into fan/community ownership.
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Post by settingson on Feb 7, 2023 10:58:49 GMT -5
They buy lawyers like they buy players. Not much, if anything will happen.
At most they will get a fine. Maybe they will get a few points deducted in a future season, but I doubt it.
Letting nation states own clubs is a horrible development, but the horse has long bolted. PSG, Newcastle, Man City ... and it;s only going to get worse.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 7, 2023 15:17:32 GMT -5
They buy lawyers like they buy players. Not much, if anything will happen. At most they will get a fine. Maybe they will get a few points deducted in a future season, but I doubt it. Letting nation states own clubs is a horrible development, but the horse has long bolted. PSG, Newcastle, Man City ... and it;s only going to get worse. They will get points deducted in a pre-season tournament.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 7, 2023 15:34:02 GMT -5
I've stopped caring about English football. For a long while I only watched City and Chelsea if it was a particularly exciting game or the Champions League playoffs because I hated those specific clubs and the way they achieved their success, but with the Saudi takeover of Newcastle I was just done with the whole thing. I follow the results and the league table and watch Spurs once in a while, but that's it. Knowing that it will only get worse made the decision much easier.
It may sound ironic, but I've gotten more into American sports lately as a result of this. The NBA and NFL have no fan ownership, it's obviously capitalist as fuck... but I'd rather have all clubs owned by billionaires without direct ties to murder, as long as there is competitive balance which there just isn't anymore in top level football. The owners in the NBA/NFL need to have a strategy, even if they have by far the best team they can't just buy up the competition. Even with all the ads and the fact that teams can be moved to another city(that's the hardest pill to swallow), this balance is so damn refreshing. Every team has the hypothetical chance to win if they play their cards right, 90% of clubs in the best football leagues have NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER to achieve this without selling their souls. And like I said, it will only get worse, and as a result we will have a Super League within 5-10 years.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Feb 7, 2023 17:34:25 GMT -5
I've stopped caring about English football. For a long while I only watched City and Chelsea if it was a particularly exciting game or the Champions League playoffs because I hated those specific clubs and the way they achieved their success, but with the Saudi takeover of Newcastle I was just done with the whole thing. I follow the results and the league table and watch Spurs once in a while, but that's it. Knowing that it will only get worse made the decision much easier. It may sound ironic, but I've gotten more into American sports lately as a result of this. The NBA and NFL have no fan ownership, it's obviously capitalist as fuck... but I'd rather have all clubs owned by billionaires without direct ties to murder, as long as there is competitive balance which there just isn't anymore in top level football. The owners in the NBA/NFL need to have a strategy, even if they have by far the best team they can't just buy up the competition. Even with all the ads and the fact that teams can be moved to another city(that's the hardest pill to swallow), this balance is so damn refreshing. Every team has the hypothetical chance to win if they play their cards right, 90% of clubs in the best football leagues have NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER to achieve this without selling their souls. And like I said, it will only get worse, and as a result we will have a Super League within 5-10 years. One point of correction: the Green Bay Packers are fan owned. And, the NFL isn’t capitalist in the fact all teams have a certain amount of money to spend, with salary caps…there’s a real competitive balance, which creates parity, with lots of turnover, and is why the NFL is by far the most popular American league and sport. I agree with everything else you said, though. God bless.
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Post by settingson on Feb 7, 2023 18:05:47 GMT -5
I have been a big NFL fan since the early 80's, back when the Raiders were good and C4 was an exciting new channel.
American sports barely manage things with a salary cap and free agency. It's not perfect but it just about holds together. However, a big part of that equation is that there is no promotion or relegation. Add the prospect of relegation to the NFL (or any of the big American sports,I guess) and it would implode.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 8, 2023 4:33:40 GMT -5
I've stopped caring about English football. For a long while I only watched City and Chelsea if it was a particularly exciting game or the Champions League playoffs because I hated those specific clubs and the way they achieved their success, but with the Saudi takeover of Newcastle I was just done with the whole thing. I follow the results and the league table and watch Spurs once in a while, but that's it. Knowing that it will only get worse made the decision much easier. It may sound ironic, but I've gotten more into American sports lately as a result of this. The NBA and NFL have no fan ownership, it's obviously capitalist as fuck... but I'd rather have all clubs owned by billionaires without direct ties to murder, as long as there is competitive balance which there just isn't anymore in top level football. The owners in the NBA/NFL need to have a strategy, even if they have by far the best team they can't just buy up the competition. Even with all the ads and the fact that teams can be moved to another city(that's the hardest pill to swallow), this balance is so damn refreshing. Every team has the hypothetical chance to win if they play their cards right, 90% of clubs in the best football leagues have NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER to achieve this without selling their souls. And like I said, it will only get worse, and as a result we will have a Super League within 5-10 years. One point of correction: the Green Bay Packers are fan owned. And, the NFL isn’t capitalist in the fact all teams have a certain amount of money to spend, with salary caps…there’s a real competitive balance, which creates parity, with lots of turnover, and is why the NFL is by far the most popular American league and sport. I agree with everything else you said, though. God bless. You're correct, I was thinking more of everything surrounding the league, ad breaks every five minutes and so on. When it comes to things like the trading system it is actually kind of communist! The fact that there's something to EARN from finishing LAST in the NFL(maybe it's like that in the NBA too, I don't know) with the first pick in the draft... it makes me wonder how any Republican can watch these sports. Though I like the balance, that shit is just too far even for me haha. But the answer to how this can be is that they probably realized that an even competition is more interesting to people watching, and that's why they have an economic incentive to keep running the leagues this way. If only they could use this approach when it came to things like healthcare...
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Post by funhouse on Feb 8, 2023 4:37:27 GMT -5
I have been a big NFL fan since the early 80's, back when the Raiders were good and C4 was an exciting new channel. American sports barely manage things with a salary cap and free agency. It's not perfect but it just about holds together. However, a big part of that equation is that there is no promotion or relegation. Add the prospect of relegation to the NFL (or any of the big American sports,I guess) and it would implode. Yes I realize that. I'm vehemently against making leagues closed in football/soccer, but since it has always(?) been that way in the US I view it differently over there. Not in the way that I think it's ok, but I realize it's the only way to keep their system working so you kind of have to just bite the bullet.
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Post by matt on Feb 8, 2023 7:09:24 GMT -5
They buy lawyers like they buy players. Not much, if anything will happen. At most they will get a fine. Maybe they will get a few points deducted in a future season, but I doubt it. Letting nation states own clubs is a horrible development, but the horse has long bolted. PSG, Newcastle, Man City ... and it;s only going to get worse. They will get points deducted in a pre-season tournament. Regardless of the scale of punishment, I don’t think it will ever address the fundamental issue. No doubt, they’re guilty as hell and have fiddled the system ever since being bought out in 2008, all their silverware is tainted and paying Haaland a million a week (at least, I wonder how much unauthorised payments on top of that are going to the family and agent...) shows a system abused and broken beyond repair. They’ll probably get away with it. But they represent a wider problem in football, I have no doubt this would happen under similar ownership for all other big clubs. Give them a chance and Utd and Liverpool will follow suit. Because there’s no such thing as financial fair play, Newcastle will make City look positively frugal these next few years. I’d rather laws be enshrined to pass all club ownership over to supporters groups, or a model similar to Germany rather than City be made an example of. Unfortunately the tribal nature of the game will want to see City absolutely destroyed that will drown out any real discussion about the shift in attitudes that need to take place. It reflects our political system though, all that rampant dodgy capitalism and dirty money that’s been legitimised ever since Thatcherism. The English game and league system should be the best thing ever, and it’s roots and history is fascinating. Something that should be sacred like this it shows you that, actually, nothing is sacred under such destructive ideology. Man City have not destroyed English football, they are just merely a symptom of the disease that run this country and the game itself.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 8, 2023 8:17:02 GMT -5
They will get points deducted in a pre-season tournament. I’d rather laws be enshrined to pass all club ownership over to supporters groups I struggle to see any scenario in which that would happen, but one can dream. And you're right that City is not the bad guy and that any team, including their fanbase, would be ok with anything as long as it gave them titles. That's the truth that kills all hope for the future of high level club football for me.
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Post by matt on Feb 8, 2023 11:31:23 GMT -5
I’d rather laws be enshrined to pass all club ownership over to supporters groups I struggle to see any scenario in which that would happen, but one can dream. And you're right that City is not the bad guy and that any team, including their fanbase, would be ok with anything as long as it gave them titles. That's the truth that kills all hope for the future of high level club football for me. Praise has to be given to a lot of supporters groups, even Man Utd and Liverpool's official groups who recently released a joint statement regarding concerns on ownership structure, consistent with their community oriented mentality (this was in light of reports of massive takeovers for both clubs, so their stances can't be attributed to bitterness from failing to compete financially). It shows there are sections of fans who have their heads screwed on but they are in the minority I feel. There's a great football writer for The Guardian called David Conn who wrote an excellent book about the state of the English game, especially since the Premier League's inception. He is a City fan, who like many died in the wool supporters, is disillusioned by the sport. The book was however written in 2005 prior to City's takeover, but isn't one bit out of date in highlighting the greed and 'mammon' that is ruining the sport. A must read for anyone who has a desire to see the game put right again.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 8, 2023 13:13:44 GMT -5
I think Man City will be relegated. Premiership needs to send a strong message where a fine will not suffice.
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Post by NYR on Jun 11, 2023 21:14:10 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Bellboy on Jun 12, 2023 6:03:08 GMT -5
This aged well
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Post by NYR on Jun 13, 2023 1:23:20 GMT -5
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