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Post by rockrevival on May 14, 2022 7:39:15 GMT -5
Should the producers push him to do more vocal takes?
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Post by supertronic on May 14, 2022 8:52:23 GMT -5
Should the producers push him to do more vocal takes? To what end?
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Post by jorgendif on May 14, 2022 9:22:35 GMT -5
Should the producers push him to do more vocal takes? No
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Post by tiger40 on May 14, 2022 12:52:30 GMT -5
Should the producers push him to do more vocal takes? No definitely not.
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Post by johnlennon696 on May 14, 2022 13:26:11 GMT -5
Can't say I've noticed an issue with his vocals on his albums tbh.
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Post by garylineker on May 15, 2022 7:54:31 GMT -5
As I've said in other threads - are the vocals poor? No. Could they be better? Without doubt.
The fact i prefer a live version or alternate version where the vocals have been brushed up a bit to every studio version of every solo song tells me that.
There's times when I think the producers just do not understand what Liam is and what he's all about. I think Better Days is the first time I wouldn't change a thing with his voice because it just gets him spot on.
The little squeaks and almost robotic sound on some of the high notes is something that's crept in more and more since Beady Eye. It was never evident on any Oasis studio songs. I remember hearing the 30 second clips for DGSS and thinking they've allowed some live habits to sneak into the studio recordings and its definitely got worse since. Noel wouldn't have allowed it and I think if we ever got an Oasis album again in future you'd see a massive difference in how Liam sounds on that compared to the manufactured nature of the solo work.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on May 15, 2022 8:11:12 GMT -5
I don’t think there is much evidence to suggest Liam has been lazy in the studio for many years. Zak Starkey certainly didn’t think so and the doc following the first album shows him fully participating. Spent a month or two in the studio with Wyatt for this one so I wouldn’t question his involvement.
Multiple vocal takes doesn’t mean you’ll always get a better one and it could be the case that they’ve picked the one they thought was the best that others don’t.
Liam’s vocals since Beady Eye finished have been a revelation to most.
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Post by mancraider on May 15, 2022 9:21:57 GMT -5
He's not lazy, he just has a certain idea of what making music should be, and it doesn't involve slaving over multiple takes of vocal lines. He likes the punk ethos of getting it down fast and being authentic. Doesnt make him right or wrong, its just his point of view.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on May 15, 2022 9:37:11 GMT -5
Every person who has worked in the studio with Liam to date has always praised the way Liam works. So I don't see any problem with that.
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Post by shadowplay on May 15, 2022 10:14:24 GMT -5
There was an article from someone absolutely ages ago as he spent some time in the studio with Oasis as they recorded DBTT, I can't find it anywhere sorry but it did exist and was a legit article. I'm paraphrasing but the author wrote that he was shocked by how bad he thought Liam sounded when he first saw him record some vocals but a band member either Gem or Andy assured him that he's always like that on the first few takes while he warms up. The author said then just like he was told on about the 5th take he suddenly started sounding amazing. It makes sense you have to warm up your voice and I can't imagine Liam ever doing proper vocal warms ups, plus his style requires a lot of effort. If he tries to do a song cold in one or two takes it's always gonna be a bit rough.
I definitely think on some songs, some of the more throwaway songs like Be Still and Meadows that he probably only recorded one or two takes and thought good enough, but I also think for the spotlight songs like FWIW, WOG, Better Days etc where he sounds amazing they must have done multiple takes to get the best results, it's not just about altered or patched together vocals, he just sounds younger and more energetic on those songs which suggests to me that much more care was taken and that he was properly warmed up.
So lazy sometimes, very professional others. Probably depends on what mood he's in, how much he likes the song and how well his management thinks the song is going to do that determines the time and effort he puts in.
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Post by garylineker on May 15, 2022 12:00:29 GMT -5
There was an article from someone absolutely ages ago as he spent some time in the studio with Oasis as they recorded DBTT, I can't find it anywhere sorry but it did exist and was a legit article. I'm paraphrasing but the author wrote that he was shocked by how bad he thought Liam sounded when he first saw him record some vocals but a band member either Gem or Andy assured him that he's always like that on the first few takes while he warms up. The author said then just like he was told on about the 5th take he suddenly started sounding amazing. It makes sense you have to warm up your voice and I can't imagine Liam ever doing proper vocal warms ups, plus his style requires a lot of effort. If he tries to do a song cold in one or two takes it's always gonna be a bit rough. I definitely think on some songs, some of the more throwaway songs like Be Still and Meadows that he probably only recorded one or two takes and thought good enough, but I also think for the spotlight songs like FWIW, WOG, Better Days etc where he sounds amazing they must have done multiple takes to get the best results, it's not just about altered or patched together vocals, he just sounds younger and more energetic on those songs which suggests to me that much more care was taken and that he was properly warmed up. So lazy sometimes, very professional others. Probably depends on what mood he's in, how much he likes the song and how well his management thinks the song is going to do that determines the time and effort he puts in. I remember this interview. Think it was with one of the Sunday papers. Had some really interesting stuff in it. I think he worked with just Liam, Andy and Gem because they all worked together and Noel just come along to give his approval now and again. Think he was the fella who told Noel he doesn't hear any big hits on there in the same vein as Wonderwall. Noel quoted that after saying Lyla was a big hit for them. The biggest thing I took away from the article was when he said it felt like Liam and Noel would gage someone by slagging off the other brother and seeing if the person joined in. If they didn't they were okay. A rare insight into how they were actually still tight as brothers and didn't let anyone else shit on the other. Quite sad it ended up like it did. I still always say DBTT era they seemed to really get on and something huge happened in-between 2006-2008. I heard rumours of Liam having an affair with one of Sarah's friends and getting her pregnant. But who knows.
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Post by mahsteve on May 16, 2022 1:30:49 GMT -5
There was an article from someone absolutely ages ago as he spent some time in the studio with Oasis as they recorded DBTT, I can't find it anywhere sorry but it did exist and was a legit article. I'm paraphrasing but the author wrote that he was shocked by how bad he thought Liam sounded when he first saw him record some vocals but a band member either Gem or Andy assured him that he's always like that on the first few takes while he warms up. The author said then just like he was told on about the 5th take he suddenly started sounding amazing. It makes sense you have to warm up your voice and I can't imagine Liam ever doing proper vocal warms ups, plus his style requires a lot of effort. If he tries to do a song cold in one or two takes it's always gonna be a bit rough. I definitely think on some songs, some of the more throwaway songs like Be Still and Meadows that he probably only recorded one or two takes and thought good enough, but I also think for the spotlight songs like FWIW, WOG, Better Days etc where he sounds amazing they must have done multiple takes to get the best results, it's not just about altered or patched together vocals, he just sounds younger and more energetic on those songs which suggests to me that much more care was taken and that he was properly warmed up. So lazy sometimes, very professional others. Probably depends on what mood he's in, how much he likes the song and how well his management thinks the song is going to do that determines the time and effort he puts in. You are referring to Peter de Havillanf The article below is an account by producer Peter De Havilland who worked with oasis between 2003 and 2004 during the making of Don't believe the truth when the band were struggling to record it before they met Dave sardy and recorded it in the U.S. De Havilland mainly worked with Liam and Gem at Wheeler End Studios. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1055518/Liam-Oasis-loves-shopping-moisturiser-meeting-fans--Noel-whos-grumpy-one.htmlWhen oasis split in 2009 he posted a message on a forum, link here theholdsteady.proboards.com/thread/1746
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on May 16, 2022 2:14:32 GMT -5
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Post by shadowplay on May 16, 2022 12:19:55 GMT -5
There was an article from someone absolutely ages ago as he spent some time in the studio with Oasis as they recorded DBTT, I can't find it anywhere sorry but it did exist and was a legit article. I'm paraphrasing but the author wrote that he was shocked by how bad he thought Liam sounded when he first saw him record some vocals but a band member either Gem or Andy assured him that he's always like that on the first few takes while he warms up. The author said then just like he was told on about the 5th take he suddenly started sounding amazing. It makes sense you have to warm up your voice and I can't imagine Liam ever doing proper vocal warms ups, plus his style requires a lot of effort. If he tries to do a song cold in one or two takes it's always gonna be a bit rough. I definitely think on some songs, some of the more throwaway songs like Be Still and Meadows that he probably only recorded one or two takes and thought good enough, but I also think for the spotlight songs like FWIW, WOG, Better Days etc where he sounds amazing they must have done multiple takes to get the best results, it's not just about altered or patched together vocals, he just sounds younger and more energetic on those songs which suggests to me that much more care was taken and that he was properly warmed up. So lazy sometimes, very professional others. Probably depends on what mood he's in, how much he likes the song and how well his management thinks the song is going to do that determines the time and effort he puts in. You are referring to Peter de Havillanf The article below is an account by producer Peter De Havilland who worked with oasis between 2003 and 2004 during the making of Don't believe the truth when the band were struggling to record it before they met Dave sardy and recorded it in the U.S. De Havilland mainly worked with Liam and Gem at Wheeler End Studios. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1055518/Liam-Oasis-loves-shopping-moisturiser-meeting-fans--Noel-whos-grumpy-one.htmlWhen oasis split in 2009 he posted a message on a forum, link here theholdsteady.proboards.com/thread/1746That's the one! Thanks for finding it. Haven't read that article in about 14 years so glad I didn't mis remember most of the vocal takes bit. That article paints an interesting picture of the whole Oasis dynamic with everyone being scared of Noel, Gem being a bit of a shrinking violet and both Gallaghers playing mind games with new people to see if they fit in. It's a cool article from that guy despite it being published on a news paper that I wouldn't wipe my arse with.
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Post by mahsteve on May 16, 2022 14:41:57 GMT -5
That's the one! Thanks for finding it. Haven't read that article in about 14 years so glad I didn't mis remember most of the vocal takes bit. That article paints an interesting picture of the whole Oasis dynamic with everyone being scared of Noel, Gem being a bit of a shrinking violet and both Gallaghers playing mind games with new people to see if they fit in. It's a cool article from that guy despite it being published on a news paper that I wouldn't wipe my arse with. Gives you a picture of how the band were feeling the pressure to build on the successful singles and tour of Heathen chemistry. In and around this time the band worked with Death in vegas, around January 2004 I think, at Sawmills studios in Cornwall but scrapped the sessions as they didn’t have strong enough songs. I wonder if the death in vegas guys would have been a good fit to produce dig out your soul instead of Dave Sardy, just thinking the songs may have been more suitable for them to work on being more psychedelic rather than DBTT era material
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Post by dazed on May 18, 2022 12:11:53 GMT -5
He probably could spend longer ironing out intricacies on the mk2 albums but you cannot say he doesn't give his all, singing that far above his range and shredding his vocal cords to make those songs is what made everyone in that band millionaires.
He gave everything early on to create the band's legacy.
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Post by dazed on May 18, 2022 12:13:56 GMT -5
He probably could spend longer ironing out intricacies on the mk2 albums but you cannot say he doesn't give his all, singing that far above his range and shredding his vocal cords to make those songs is what made everyone in that band millionaires. He gave everything early on to create the band's legacy. ***Mk2 albums minus SOTSOG because he was spotless on that DBTT was a major disappointment for me vocally barring a few tracks, stuff like Keep the dream alive and Bell will ring could've been miles better especially knowing how good he can still sound now.
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