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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 25, 2021 10:58:58 GMT -5
September 2021. Mark the date. Liam returned in absolute rip roaring earnest.
This really should be a completely unanimous 10/10 __
Also, the band is tight as fuck. Massive improvement.
Sounds like a really refreshed Oasis… Well in, Bonehead.
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Post by Aman on Sept 26, 2021 5:36:28 GMT -5
If 10/10 is Earls Court 95 and 9/10 is Live By The Sea etc.
Then I'd go with 8 I think!
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Post by tezza198 on Sept 26, 2021 6:49:37 GMT -5
I don’t usually give 10s but I can easily give a 10 to his comeback, performances and albums
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Post by GlastoEls on Sept 26, 2021 7:40:19 GMT -5
In terms of the quality of his comeback versus his barren period (which I take as 04-16), it’s a 10/10.
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 26, 2021 12:47:30 GMT -5
I don’t usually give 10s but I can easily give a 10 to his comeback, performances and albums Agreed full stop. I don't usually give 10s either but in this case Liam deserves a 10.
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Post by shadowplay on Sept 27, 2021 11:52:47 GMT -5
It's about on par with his performances on the 2001 tour. I'd say now is a 7-8 ish by his own standards but when compared to his best and how low he's been that's phenomenal
Because I'm bored and I like lists and ratings I'll rate his performances by year
1994-9 1995-10 1996-9 1997-8.5 1998-8 2000-9 2001-8 2002-7 2003-6.5 2005-6 2006-3 2008-4 2009-5 2011-6 2012-6 2013-2 2017-6 2018-7 2019-5 2021-8
Again i'll reiterate this is how own scale. I'm not calling him an 8/10 by the standards of every singer who has ever performed because it's too subjective and there's just too many performers and too much variety for one person to possible wrap their heads around
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Post by Aman on Sept 27, 2021 16:16:29 GMT -5
It's about on par with his performances on the 2001 tour. I'd say now is a 7-8 ish by his own standards but when compared to his best and how low he's been that's phenomenal Because I'm bored and I like lists and ratings I'll rate his performances by year 1994-9 1995-10 1996-9 1997-8.5 1998-8 2000-9 2001-8 2002-7 2003-6.5 2005-6 2006-3 2008-4 2009-5 2011-6 2012-6 2013-2 2016-6 2017-7 2019-5 2021-8 Again i'll reiterate this is how own scale. I'm not calling him an 8/10 by the standards of every singer who has ever performed because it's too subjective and there's just too many performers and too much variety for one person to possible wrap their heads around Yeah, that's how I'm seeing it too.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Sept 28, 2021 8:27:52 GMT -5
It would be great if they released an official DVD combining "the best" of Reading with this year's TRNSMT and reworking the audio well. Liam is in great vocal form, as is the band, and the audience is in raptures. It would fall directly into the top concerts of the last 20 years.
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Post by GlastoEls on Sept 28, 2021 10:38:42 GMT -5
It's about on par with his performances on the 2001 tour. I'd say now is a 7-8 ish by his own standards but when compared to his best and how low he's been that's phenomenal Because I'm bored and I like lists and ratings I'll rate his performances by year 1994-9. 8 1995-10. 10 1996-9. 10 1997-8.5. 10 1998-8. 9 2000-9. 8.5 2001-8. 8.5 2002-7. 8 2003-6.5. 7 2005-6. 6 2006-3. 5 2008-4. 5 2009-5. 4 2011-6. 5 2012-6. 5 2013-2. 4 2017-6. 8 2018-7. 8 2019-5. 7 2021-8. 9 Again i'll reiterate this is how own scale. I'm not calling him an 8/10 by the standards of every singer who has ever performed because it's too subjective and there's just too many performers and too much variety for one person to possible wrap their heads around Love this. And have added my own for comparison.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 28, 2021 12:04:31 GMT -5
We all seem to agree that Liam dipped in 2019, after an excellent 2018… and then had one hell of a return in 2020.
What went on in 2019? Because I agree, he dipped in 2019. Was Liam simply just tired…?
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 28, 2021 12:40:38 GMT -5
Actually I don't think that Liam's 2019 gigs were that bad, they might not be as good as his recent festival ones but they're alright.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Sept 28, 2021 13:09:28 GMT -5
2013-2014 was great after Gem's recovery.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 28, 2021 16:19:02 GMT -5
Actually I don't think that Liam's 2019 gigs were that bad, they might not be as good as his recent festival ones but they're alright. I think it was a matter of tiredness plus he had a cold during the later stages of the arena tour, I saw him in Cardiff on the first night and I thought he sounded great especially during One Of Us which I thought he'd struggle with
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 29, 2021 12:35:26 GMT -5
Actually I don't think that Liam's 2019 gigs were that bad, they might not be as good as his recent festival ones but they're alright. I think it was a matter of tiredness plus he had a cold during the later stages of the arena tour, I saw him in Cardiff on the first night and I thought he sounded great especially during One Of Us which I thought he'd struggle with You're probably right that it's a matter of tiredness with Liam but over all I don't think that any of his solo gigs have been really bad.
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Post by shadowplay on Sept 29, 2021 15:10:09 GMT -5
Liam didn't have much time off after AYW and was quite unlucky at the start of the WMWN tour as he had a cold going into the very first gigs. That means he was straining from the get go and therefore got tired immediately. He was similarly unlucky in 2008 when he had a blindingly good first 3 gigs, then got a cold and just lost all the power so was forcing himself too hard again.
I think it should also be noted that for the most part they've been quite clever with which songs Liam performs regularly as some take it out of him more than others. I think if you look at 2008 for example and considering that he doesn't warm up, or didn't back then playing Lyla as the second song of the gig with how he sings it is utterly brutal and gives me a sore throat just thinking about it. Singing the chorus for that song with Liam's technique feels like trying to gulp down a cup of barbed wire and sand.
i think the main answer is quite boring and simple really he's just well rested now. He didn't tour WMWN as much as was planned because of lockdown and because of lockdown probably wasn't out and about partying as much as he normally does for a couple of years, apart from a short tour he's not performed much by his standards since 2017. Plus this is a festival tour so he's not doing consecutive nights several times a week like usual so he can recover and like the rest of us probably felt like a caged tiger all lockdown and has a renewed passion for performing
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Post by shadowplay on Sept 29, 2021 15:26:09 GMT -5
2013-2014 was great after Gem's recovery. I actually really like that album, a lot more than most. But I'd disagree with what you've said, the band were great, Liam was at his absolute worst. It sounded like he'd actually lost his chest voice and could now only sing through his nose which is why he sounded so flat and thin and out of breath, I think it's because he changed his style for the album and acoustic gigs and singing like that messed with how he was able to use his register, other people who sing will know what I mean, if you play a load of songs and sing them through your nose it suddenly becomes harder to sing using your chest voice, it almost disappears and you feel like you don't have access to your diaphragm muscles to start each line off, like you don't have that powerful base to push off from. He sounded like someone doing a bad impression of him. Watch this for example Yeah he sounds okay when compared to the studio recording. But singing like that was messing with his instrument. It's hard to go from singing like that for a while to then trying to rasp out Cigarettes and Alcohol
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Oct 19, 2021 7:29:43 GMT -5
The more I listen and watch Trnsmt and Reading 2021 the more I realize how similar they were to Oasis concerts from the 90s. Will Knebworth, Manchester and Glasgow 2022 have the same fire?
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 21, 2021 4:59:53 GMT -5
The more I listen and watch Trnsmt and Reading 2021 the more I realize how similar they were to Oasis concerts from the 90s. Will Knebworth, Manchester and Glasgow 2022 have the same fire? Well, Kasabian are supporting so they’ll literally perform ‘Fire’!
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 21, 2021 5:17:35 GMT -5
The more I listen and watch Trnsmt and Reading 2021 the more I realize how similar they were to Oasis concerts from the 90s. Will Knebworth, Manchester and Glasgow 2022 have the same fire? Well, Kasabian are supporting so they’ll literally perform ‘Fire’! Speaking of which, this was the best Kasabian gig I've been to. Can't believe it's 11 years ago! After "West Ryder..." I lost interest in them. I've seen them live too many times and met them in person too many times. Still Ian is a lovely person though. Serge and Chris are alright and Tom was one you never knew what he was up to.
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 21, 2021 12:41:49 GMT -5
The more I listen and watch Trnsmt and Reading 2021 the more I realize how similar they were to Oasis concerts from the 90s. Will Knebworth, Manchester and Glasgow 2022 have the same fire? Let's hope so but Liam and his band seem to have got their act together and seem to be really good. And, let's not forget how good they were when they did the Down By The River gig last December.
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