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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jun 24, 2021 2:29:48 GMT -5
Just listening to Chasing Yesterday and reminiscing about how excited we all were that Noel was free of Sardy and how it was produced by Noel and how fresh it sounded.
Then, he went on to work with David Holmes, a real maverick and it sounded different again.
It is relatively unique that of Noel's three LPs, he has used three different producers.
Which is best produced and why?
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Post by matt on Jun 24, 2021 5:42:37 GMT -5
Who Built The Moon by far. I think it’s his best album by far, but taking away the songs and whether you like them or not, the production has the sort of ambition and colour that everyone was dying for from 2000 onwards.
For instance, a song like The Man Who Built The Moon has all the grandiosity and cinematic scope to it that 1990s Oasis would have lapped up.
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Post by yogurt on Jun 24, 2021 6:13:18 GMT -5
Probably Who Built The Moon? But it should be really. Considering they started with no songs, then the emphasis was really creating the whole thing from the ground up with production as a focal point, just as much as the songs.
I don’t think any of them are badly produced per se. Even the first album. Sardy’s production can be deemed a bit generic, but the songs were too. That’s not to say they’re not good songs, but I mean most of them were pretty Noel by numbers well crafted songs. I think the production on that album did its job of putting the songs across for what they were. I don’t think the songs provided a lot of scope to do anything much different.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Jun 24, 2021 7:00:03 GMT -5
Who Built The Moon by far. I think it’s his best album by far, but taking away the songs and whether you like them or not, the production has the sort of ambition and colour that everyone was dying for from 2000 onwards. For instance, a song like The Man Who Built The Moon has all the grandiosity and cinematic scope to it that 1990s Oasis would have lapped up. It's funny, cos I think the song Who Built The Moon is badly produced, it sounds very "muddy", no air, space.. dunno, it sounds bad to me... I know it's meant to be heavyish... but still... |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 24, 2021 7:09:20 GMT -5
Easy answer is Who Built The Moon, still sounds fresh after nearly 4 years and gave Noel's songs a different dimension and landscape to what we were used to before
I do think Chasing Yesterday is nicely done bar a couple of songs that should've been heavier (LATD and The Mexican, although the latter just isn't good) and the nananas in ITHOTM, he incorporated more stuff into his sound and songs like Riverman, WTSRTS, BOTMI are properly well crafted and arranged, even The Dying Of The Light doesn't plod along
He's not gonna turn into Brian Eno any time soon, but compared to Heathen Chemistry I think CY shows the progress Noel has made as a producer too, sure the songs being better in the first place help
NGHFB was just very straightforward, I thought TDOYAM and WAL were well produced and I like the epic sound of EOTR, the rest is very plain and simple, but most of the tunes sound better live
Also, as a whole it does get a little bit boring after a while, not all is Sardy's fault obviously but he didn't help
If I Had A Gun is an atrocity
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Post by matt on Jun 24, 2021 7:24:55 GMT -5
Easy answer is Who Built The Moon, still sounds fresh after nearly 4 years and gave Noel's songs a different dimension and landscape to what we were used to before I do think Chasing Yesterday is nicely done bar a couple of songs that should've been heavier (LATD and The Mexican, although the latter just isn't good) and the nananas in ITHOTM, he incorporated more stuff into his sound and songs like Riverman, WTSRTS, BOTMI are properly well crafted and arranged, even The Dying Of The Light doesn't plod along He's not gonna turn into Brian Eno any time soon, but compared to Heathen Chemistry I think CY shows the progress Noel has made as a producer too, sure the songs being better in the first place help NGHFB was just very straightforward, I thought TDOYAM and WAL were well produced and I like the epic sound of EOTR, the rest is very plain and simple, but most of the tunes sound better live Also, as a whole it does get a little bit boring after a while, not all is Sardy's fault obviously but he didn't help If I Had A Gun is an atrocity I thought Death of You & Me is well produced, generally the more stripped back songs sound fine. But Everybody's On The Run is a bit more problematic - it's got all the right ingredients but it sounds so compressed. Dave Sardy's recordings always sound as if he was recording the band in a cupboard, compared to Owen Morris who made it sound like they were playing in the biggest stadium on earth. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 24, 2021 8:15:46 GMT -5
Easy answer is Who Built The Moon, still sounds fresh after nearly 4 years and gave Noel's songs a different dimension and landscape to what we were used to before I do think Chasing Yesterday is nicely done bar a couple of songs that should've been heavier (LATD and The Mexican, although the latter just isn't good) and the nananas in ITHOTM, he incorporated more stuff into his sound and songs like Riverman, WTSRTS, BOTMI are properly well crafted and arranged, even The Dying Of The Light doesn't plod along He's not gonna turn into Brian Eno any time soon, but compared to Heathen Chemistry I think CY shows the progress Noel has made as a producer too, sure the songs being better in the first place help NGHFB was just very straightforward, I thought TDOYAM and WAL were well produced and I like the epic sound of EOTR, the rest is very plain and simple, but most of the tunes sound better live Also, as a whole it does get a little bit boring after a while, not all is Sardy's fault obviously but he didn't help If I Had A Gun is an atrocity I thought Death of You & Me is well produced, generally the more stripped back songs sound fine. But Everybody's On The Run is a bit more problematic - it's got all the right ingredients but it sounds so compressed. Dave Sardy's recordings always sound as if he was recording the band in a cupboard, compared to Owen Morris who made it sound like they were playing in the biggest stadium on earth. Yeah NGHFB 1 has some great production moments : Death of You & Me, Broker Arrow, Wrong Beach and just a bit behind, Soldier Boyz. I also like the production on Dream On. The rest is pretty standard. Everybody's On The Run could have been a bit better and What a Life is sometimes lazy, hidden behind that piano. |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 24, 2021 8:21:49 GMT -5
This is where all the fully qualified armchair music producers weigh in with their opinions
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 24, 2021 10:10:38 GMT -5
This is where all the fully qualified armchair music producers weigh in with their opinions We meet on Tuesdays. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 24, 2021 13:16:10 GMT -5
I'll go with Chasing Yesterday by far and it's Noel's best album.
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Post by megyesitomate on Jun 24, 2021 13:37:07 GMT -5
I'll have to go with Chasing Yesterday. By the way, I think the only two songs from his solo albums that are badly produced are Stop the Clocks (over-complicated it) and Fort Knox with the fucking alarm clock.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 24, 2021 13:56:24 GMT -5
I'll have to go with Chasing Yesterday. By the way, I think the only two songs from his solo albums that are badly produced are Stop the Clocks (over-complicated it) and Fort Knox with the fucking alarm clock. I do like Fort Knox but I agree with you about the alarm clock as it's annoying. |
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Post by NGHFBirds42 on Jun 25, 2021 6:47:00 GMT -5
Difficult to say because NGHFB, Chasing Yesterday and Who Built The Moon? are three brilliant albums.
Probably Chasing Yesterday or Who Built The Moon?, I can't really choose between these two.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 25, 2021 7:21:30 GMT -5
MOON is by far the best sounding yet the album isn’t sequenced right. Chasing Yesterday is second best.
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Post by Aman on Jun 25, 2021 9:39:59 GMT -5
I'll go with Chasing Yesterday by far and it's Noel's best album. Yeah, pretty much. |
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Post by norkbauer on Jun 25, 2021 10:00:16 GMT -5
For me it is Chasing Yesterday, easily. Self produced, it's where I most feel Noel being honest with himself and doing exactly what he wanted, in his best shape. The trip around his second album is really on point, you go from track 1 to track 10 in a brilliant atmosphere, untouchable in my point of view.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 25, 2021 10:40:26 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday, it's just so silky smooth. Maybe Moon is more technically impressive, but I think CY just sounds great. Something as simple as that synth which begins during the chorus of In the Heat of The Moment adds so much to the sound.
I tend to think simplicity is the hallmark of good design. And CY fits the bill.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 25, 2021 12:42:49 GMT -5
I'll go with Chasing Yesterday by far and it's Noel's best album. Yeah, pretty much. I've always loved this album ever since it was released. |
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Post by jh on Jun 27, 2021 12:25:54 GMT -5
I'll go with Chasing Yesterday by far and it's Noel's best album. Yes 100% behind this choice. The go to Noel album for me. Reminds me of past Oasis greatness with some real choice tracks.The only Noel album I was truly massively impressed with as soon as I heard it. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 27, 2021 13:27:42 GMT -5
I'll go with Chasing Yesterday by far and it's Noel's best album. Yes 100% behind this choice. The go to Noel album for me. Reminds me of past Oasis greatness with some real choice tracks.The only Noel album I was truly massively impressed with as soon as I heard it. Agreed. I went back to this album the other night and it still sounds great. Even the bonus tracks on the deluxe version are good. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 14:06:41 GMT -5
The first album. I'm a Dave Sardy guy.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jun 27, 2021 15:51:18 GMT -5
The first album. I'm a Dave Sardy guy. Can I ask what it is you like about his work? |
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Post by thuperthonic on Jun 27, 2021 17:25:18 GMT -5
The two new songs, especially Flying On The Ground. Perfection.
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Post by yogurt on Jun 27, 2021 20:28:54 GMT -5
Easy answer is Who Built The Moon, still sounds fresh after nearly 4 years and gave Noel's songs a different dimension and landscape to what we were used to before I do think Chasing Yesterday is nicely done bar a couple of songs that should've been heavier (LATD and The Mexican, although the latter just isn't good) and the nananas in ITHOTM, he incorporated more stuff into his sound and songs like Riverman, WTSRTS, BOTMI are properly well crafted and arranged, even The Dying Of The Light doesn't plod along He's not gonna turn into Brian Eno any time soon, but compared to Heathen Chemistry I think CY shows the progress Noel has made as a producer too, sure the songs being better in the first place help NGHFB was just very straightforward, I thought TDOYAM and WAL were well produced and I like the epic sound of EOTR, the rest is very plain and simple, but most of the tunes sound better live Also, as a whole it does get a little bit boring after a while, not all is Sardy's fault obviously but he didn't help If I Had A Gun is an atrocity I think what’s worth mentioning is Heathen Chemistry and Chasing Yesterday may be produced by Noel..but they weren’t mixed or engineered by Noel, which is arguably a bigger deal. Mixing engineers can make or break a record, that’s why a lot of big name American acts give their recordings to the likes of Chris Lord-Alge to mix, he’s made millions taking peoples recordings to the next level with his mixing abilities. Most producers today are just glorified ideas guys. David Holmes for example, he may have produced albums, but the he doesn’t mix them or engineer them. They’re the ones that truly capture the sound and get it across. Some producers still do both producing and mixing, Sardy for example. I wonder how his albums would’ve sounded if they were passed on for someone else to mix it. That said, he never seemed to be much of a big ideas guy. Maybe just someone easy to work with that can technically do both jobs. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 28, 2021 2:20:27 GMT -5
The first album. I'm a Dave Sardy guy. Can I ask what it is you like about his work? He may not be the best producer in the world (far from it) but his warm and live-like sound can work like a charm on some records. Dig Out your Soul is fuckin amazing in terms of sounds. Fat / warm guitars that make the records, since the songs are sometimes a bit weak. Track 1 to 4 and Falling Down are up there with the best stuff from Oasis catalog. Problem with HFB 1 is that he wasn't there day 1, so he added bits to already recorded stuff. And that sometimes sounds weird, because Noel recordings are way more polished. So it was like adding a formula 1 engine to an Aston Martin. He's produced a few of my fav record, like Let's Bottle Bohemia by the Thrills which is a disco pop gem, Get Born by Jet which is a classic rock n roll record, for instance. Riot City Blues by Primal Scream is also worth mentionning. But i get why people may not like his sounds, he's very... american. Was he what Oasis needed ? Probably not, but then i'm glad DOYS exists. He tried to save DBTT but that was the same problem as HFB1, some of the recording was already done. |
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