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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 2:19:29 GMT -5
Nah, you're not gonna make me watch Sheryl Crow do whatever she's going to do to poor Tom Petty. Although I would absolutely tune in to watch Liam sing on a porch wearing cowboy boots, mime or not. Come on, why not ? It's a great edited (or not) performance. Maybe mute and just watch ?
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 1, 2020 2:37:20 GMT -5
Come on, why not ? It's a great edited (or not) performance. Maybe mute and just watch ? I won't be disappointed if Liam plays the French horn and the cello.
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Post by russiangenius on Dec 1, 2020 2:38:12 GMT -5
Very good performance - think it's best he can sound right now. Still far from 2017 heights but who cares? Only me maybe. But vocally it's very, very good. Another performance that proves AYDO's live better than studio. And what a perfect look - he's rock as fuck! upd. I re-watched it for 'mimed' stuff - no way. Liam is absolutely live, Dan plays his drum cymbals to the beat, backing vocals are also at least by that bassist (forgot the name) and he also sings to the beat, strings' girls are all right... Didn't find anything wrong Do you really think 2017 was better? Absolutely. He sounded really close to his prime (Morning Glory, Wonderwall, DYKWIM, Slide Away, Rockin' Chair etc - all sounded like 1996), he nailed FWIW, Wall Of Glass, I've All I Need, Paper Crown and Bold without any problems. Since 2019 his voice got, as I like to say, 'bold' and struggled in nailing notes (Shockwave and Lyla - easiest examples as he could sing them in original key in 2017) much more than 2017-2018. And this 'boldness' is far from 2017 - it's closer to DGSS era but not that raspy. 2017 voice was an angel voice like in 90s. 2019 voice is just good - but not angel
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Post by vespa on Dec 1, 2020 4:28:44 GMT -5
Far too much analysing in here ... Jonathon Ross is 2/3 takes then edited down to what he’s happy with , so in one he had scarf and he must’ve took it off . Singing wise is totally live and fuck sake there’s no autotune , Liam sings these all day in that style there’s no pressure on vocals . The band my have been a backing track with added parts Liam is defo live though
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Post by The Chief on Dec 1, 2020 7:25:00 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been said before in this thread but this wouldn't be his first "live" performance where his vocals were corrected and enhanced. I'm not saying that's what happened but it does seem like it. Remember the "live" at RAK version of For What It's Worth? They clearly recorded the vocals live but then corrected it. I've wondered before if he doesn't do that for records also sometimes, on FWIW for example.
That being said, Liam is also known for having a great voice at the beginning of tours like the acoustic gigs at the beginning of the BE era where his voice was great. He hasn't been touring so he might just be on top form. But I'm leaning towards thinking he got his voice enhanced.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 1, 2020 10:40:50 GMT -5
there remains no hard evidence. It’s literally right there^. I understand you said you were an expert in lighting etc but it’s okay to just admit ‘oh yeah it’s that scarf’. Doesn’t mean the performance wasn’t live, they’ve just thrown a clip of rehearsal footage in for whatever reason. Well, I'm afraid it's not literally right there. All I see in the image on the left are shadows that vaguely resemble a scarf he wore the next day. One frame never tells the story. If I could sit down with you and go through the shot from 1:13 to 1:24 (before the edit) frame by frame I could show you frames where you don't see anything resembling a scarf. So there is a trick of the light in one direction or the other. I agree with you that his wearing a scarf the next day added more doubt (a lot more), and I come down now in the "I don't know camp," but based on the visuals alone, I don't personally see anything that convinces me 100% one way or the other. Not trying to be annoying. That's just how it is. Also, just to clear this up, I never said I was an expert in lighting (I'm not at all.) I said I work in the motion picture industry (I do and I have longer than some Oasis fans have been alive, alas!) I work with words, but I've been on a lot of sets and I've watched actual masses of playback so I'm fairly familiar with how things work. That said, I don't work on a talk show or with live music. One thing I do know though is that you don't just "throw in a clip." You can argue the performance was live. You can argue it wasn't live. But the one thing you can't do is say that you know it was live because you can see Liam synching perfectly but that it was edited from 3 different takes. That would make no sense. By definition, a live performance is done in one take (although it can certainly be done with multiple cameras, as this was in any case). You can say the vocal is live and the shot is not, but then it wouldn't be synched. Do I care? No. It's just something to talk (and maybe even laugh) about, isn't it? None of us was there, so that's all we could do, anyway. I'm super elated to see Liam singing a song, live or not live, dressed one way or the other, that he cares about so deeply and that people are loving. Beautiful thing.
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Post by oasismashups on Dec 1, 2020 16:17:04 GMT -5
It’s literally right there^. I understand you said you were an expert in lighting etc but it’s okay to just admit ‘oh yeah it’s that scarf’. Doesn’t mean the performance wasn’t live, they’ve just thrown a clip of rehearsal footage in for whatever reason. Well, I'm afraid it's not literally right there. All I see in the image on the left are shadows that vaguely resemble a scarf he wore the next day. One frame never tells the story. If I could sit down with you and go through the shot from 1:13 to 1:24 (before the edit) frame by frame I could show you frames where you don't see anything resembling a scarf. So there is a trick of the light in one direction or the other. I agree with you that his wearing a scarf the next day added more doubt (a lot more), and I come down now in the "I don't know camp," but based on the visuals alone, I don't personally see anything that convinces me 100% one way or the other. Not trying to be annoying. That's just how it is. Here's what I see: Until 1:13 there's no scarf. Camera cuts to the opposite angle and there it is. It moves when he sings (check out his chin) and covers his throat (obviously, lol) 1:24 camera changes again but it's the same take... there's still something popping out on his right side and the throat is not visible like in the rest of the vid 1:41 another change and the scarf is gone. That's the edit. Of course! All in good fun
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Dec 3, 2020 4:08:28 GMT -5
I was on the grassy knoll at the time when I saw the scarf...
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Dec 3, 2020 4:09:51 GMT -5
...the scarf went back and to the left, back and to the left
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Post by andymorris on Dec 3, 2020 4:29:41 GMT -5
At this point it's safe to say the Scarf took the second shot. The one that killed JFK.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Dec 3, 2020 17:44:18 GMT -5
Do you really think 2017 was better? Absolutely. He sounded really close to his prime (Morning Glory, Wonderwall, DYKWIM, Slide Away, Rockin' Chair etc - all sounded like 1996), he nailed FWIW, Wall Of Glass, I've All I Need, Paper Crown and Bold without any problems. Since 2019 his voice got, as I like to say, 'bold' and struggled in nailing notes (Shockwave and Lyla - easiest examples as he could sing them in original key in 2017) much more than 2017-2018. And this 'boldness' is far from 2017 - it's closer to DGSS era but not that raspy. 2017 voice was an angel voice like in 90s. 2019 voice is just good - but not angel for me the best voice of Liam post 2002 is the one at Glastonbury 2017 together with that of today (November December 2020) ... Very good also at Mtv Unplugged, but Glastonbury 2017 and Down by the river Thames seem the best since May 2002
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 4, 2020 3:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by mdwwla on Dec 4, 2020 13:48:44 GMT -5
Sounds live singing over a playback instrumental track (with some live shaker) with some polishing up of the vocals after. Listen to the word "song" at 1m 40, and "are" at about 1.58 and you can here a little autotune fragment. Maybe with a blend of a couple of takes. Which is all fine, happens all the time. Lovely version of a lovely song.
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Post by Grenskyda on Dec 9, 2020 20:04:55 GMT -5
I come back after a few days and the scarf debate is still going on!
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Post by underawaterfall on Mar 23, 2023 7:29:14 GMT -5
Not to reignite the scarf debate but I attended a Wossy recording the other week. They do in fact film the music performance twice which explains the scarf magically appearing, the band are not live but the vocalist was live - would imagine this was the same for LG.
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Post by martha on Mar 23, 2023 13:52:33 GMT -5
Not to reignite the scarf debate but I attended a Wossy recording the other week. They do in fact film the music performance twice which explains the scarf magically appearing, the band are not live but the vocalist was live - would imagine this was the same for LG. You are a hero, thanks!
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 23, 2023 13:57:19 GMT -5
🤣
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Post by Grenskyda on Mar 24, 2023 16:48:44 GMT -5
Haha love this. Watched this the other day actually class performance.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 25, 2023 13:41:51 GMT -5
It was a good performance, I haven't watched it in a while though.
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Post by LightsOffInside on Mar 25, 2023 13:57:39 GMT -5
This still blows me away, what a performance from Liam, unreal vocals. Might be his best every TV performance
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Post by GlastoEls on Mar 31, 2023 16:43:48 GMT -5
This still blows me away, what a performance from Liam, unreal vocals. Might be his best every TV performance Yep.
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