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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 16, 2021 4:07:52 GMT -5
As it seems it's out for good (for now, at least), here's its little chart run resumed:
35(week of release)-62-59-24-61-OUT
I've seen worse for 48 years old rockstars, tbh
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 16, 2021 8:10:32 GMT -5
ATTENTION: Forum My white 12” vinyl has arrived. It took 30 days flat. Enjoy. Lennon2217I'm glad for you, lennon. I received an email from official store on 16th December 2020, yet 31 days later, my orders (black 7#, red 7# and white 12#) are NOT here yet. "Your Liam Gallagher order has left our warehouse and is on its way to you"
Delivery method Standard Mail
Estimated delivery times: Standard Mail Europe: 5-7 business daysI have contacted with official store (again). Last time with MTV Unplugged Splatter vinyl arrived at my door 4 weeks later than the release date after complaining them again and again and after I cancel my orders. I started to think that they don't ship orders at all, but they do ship orders when they receive complaine from customers. Last time they told me I could cancel my order and ask a refund. How can I cancel my order while my orders are on the way? Just like lennon and all the others, I said to myself that I'll never ever order anything from official store. I could have (and still can) get a black vinyl and a white vinyl from my local record store. I ordered all formats including a red vinyl from official store this time. Once again, never ever trust official store.
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2021 12:11:25 GMT -5
A lovely song, this one really grew on me.
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Post by laylag on Jan 16, 2021 12:44:37 GMT -5
ATTENTION: Forum My white 12” vinyl has arrived. It took 30 days flat. Enjoy. Lennon2217That's great! 😊
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 16, 2021 13:41:58 GMT -5
Re-listened to it after quite a while The key elements are better than I remembered, it's a nice little melody although a bit too old fashioned for my likings Still think it drags a bit though, I could've done with 30 seconds less or a bit of variation
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 16, 2021 14:14:51 GMT -5
ATTENTION: Forum My white 12” vinyl has arrived. It took 30 days flat. Enjoy. Lennon2217 That's great news at last. But 30 days flat is a joke.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 16, 2021 20:17:23 GMT -5
The boat version is superb. When the bakcing singers kick in for the last part it's phenomenal.
Totally for the approach of showcasing Liams vocals by having a minimalistic approach on instruments in the studio but 1) the vocal needs to be good enough (far too many flat parts and far too edited) and 2) it shouldn't just be a cop out for saving money by having as a few people involved as possible.
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Post by tezza198 on Jan 16, 2021 20:41:38 GMT -5
I don’t understand why I keep hearing this notion of “for a 48 year old rock star he’s doing alright” or words to that effect. Liam’s massive again and one of the biggest and most recognisable names in music, he’s a house hold name around the world so why wouldn’t he be seeing this sort of success?
Sure, he doesn’t get the billions of views of the likes of Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift etc but still, people don’t seem to appreciate how big Liam is again.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 17, 2021 5:18:44 GMT -5
I don’t understand why I keep hearing this notion of “for a 48 year old rock star he’s doing alright” or words to that effect. Liam’s massive again and one of the biggest and most recognisable names in music, he’s a house hold name around the world so why wouldn’t he be seeing this sort of success? Sure, he doesn’t get the billions of views of the likes of Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift etc but still, people don’t seem to appreciate how big Liam is again. Because I'm using that notion to describe his charts success Which is remarkable for someone who's 20 years past his prime and supposedly targets rock n roll fans, so not the prominent genre these days, but 5 weeks on charts and a top 30 peak are hardly The Weeknd kind of numbers And no, he's not a household name around the world He's doing great, but his previous band (not Beady Eye) should be enough to appreciate what massive success in generic terms really is
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Post by garylineker on Jan 17, 2021 5:54:12 GMT -5
I don’t understand why I keep hearing this notion of “for a 48 year old rock star he’s doing alright” or words to that effect. Liam’s massive again and one of the biggest and most recognisable names in music, he’s a house hold name around the world so why wouldn’t he be seeing this sort of success? Sure, he doesn’t get the billions of views of the likes of Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift etc but still, people don’t seem to appreciate how big Liam is again. Because I'm using that notion to describe his charts success Which is remarkable for someone who's 20 years past his prime and supposedly targets rock n roll fans, so not the prominent genre these days, but 5 weeks on charts and a top 30 peak are hardly The Weeknd kind of numbers And no, he's not a household name around the world He's doing great, but his previous band (not Beady Eye) should be enough to appreciate what massive success in generic terms really is Agree with all your points about how well he's doing but he's certainly a household name here. There's no one in music more recognisable than Liam Gallagher in the UK. The worldwide conversation is different but I doubt it charted anywhere else so that discussion is kind of irrelevant. The chart really isn't relevant now because of the way it handles the streams/sale ratio. He's done great but I still get the point that having the name Liam Gallagher on anything is gonna sell. Beady Eye would have undoubtedly seen more success if they'd done that. Although I can see why they didnt.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 17, 2021 6:27:48 GMT -5
Because I'm using that notion to describe his charts success Which is remarkable for someone who's 20 years past his prime and supposedly targets rock n roll fans, so not the prominent genre these days, but 5 weeks on charts and a top 30 peak are hardly The Weeknd kind of numbers And no, he's not a household name around the world He's doing great, but his previous band (not Beady Eye) should be enough to appreciate what massive success in generic terms really is Agree with all your points about how well he's doing but he's certainly a household name here. There's no one in music more recognisable than Liam Gallagher in the UK. The worldwide conversation is different but I doubt it charted anywhere else so that discussion is kind of irrelevant. The chart really isn't relevant now because of the way it handles the streams/sale ratio. He's done great but I still get the point that having the name Liam Gallagher on anything is gonna sell. Beady Eye would have undoubtedly seen more success if they'd done that. Although I can see why they didnt. Well, I was referring to the worldwide thing tho Of course the Gallaghers are household names in the UK Charts may be irrelevant for you, and they're certainly not as important as they were before streaming, but they clearly count for the artist and label (see the whole AYDO for #1 discussion), and they're an indication of where you're at with the mainstream The "for a 48 years old" point is made because we're discussing someone who's had his prime as a popular musician in the 90s, so what would be a relatively modest achievement for a current big popstar deserves to be highlighted For instance, Macca didn't have a number 1 album for 30 odd years No one cares because at the end of the day everyone knows who he is and he's headline material at festivals and his gigs are massive But to get that #1 is a brilliant achievement because you don't necessarily expect someone who's name and music was at the top such a long time ago to get people interested in his new music and whose fans are supposed to be less reliant on streaming services which make up most of the sales numbers these days If someone like Ed Sheeran makes it to #1 it's a given, and if he doesn't it's a flop, because he's this generation's popstar, this is his peak now
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Post by garylineker on Jan 17, 2021 7:33:15 GMT -5
Agree with all your points about how well he's doing but he's certainly a household name here. There's no one in music more recognisable than Liam Gallagher in the UK. The worldwide conversation is different but I doubt it charted anywhere else so that discussion is kind of irrelevant. The chart really isn't relevant now because of the way it handles the streams/sale ratio. He's done great but I still get the point that having the name Liam Gallagher on anything is gonna sell. Beady Eye would have undoubtedly seen more success if they'd done that. Although I can see why they didnt. Well, I was referring to the worldwide thing tho Of course the Gallaghers are household names in the UK Charts may be irrelevant for you, and they're certainly not as important as they were before streaming, but they clearly count for the artist and label (see the whole AYDO for #1 discussion), and they're an indication of where you're at with the mainstream The "for a 48 years old" point is made because we're discussing someone who's had his prime as a popular musician in the 90s, so what would be a relatively modest achievement for a current big popstar deserves to be highlighted For instance, Macca didn't have a number 1 album for 30 odd years No one cares because at the end of the day everyone knows who he is and he's headline material at festivals and his gigs are massive But to get that #1 is a brilliant achievement because you don't necessarily expect someone who's name and music was at the top such a long time ago to get people interested in his new music and whose fans are supposed to be less reliant on streaming services which make up most of the sales numbers these days If someone like Ed Sheeran makes it to #1 it's a given, and if he doesn't it's a flop, because he's this generation's popstar, this is his peak now I've made my thoughts well known on the Xmas no.1 talk. It was ridiculous for Liam to even suggest it. All it could do is bring a negative narrative to a good achievement. If the aim was the actual position then a staggered release is suicide. It's always been the case since the Beady Eye days with The Roller. They staggered that and all the headlines were "Liam's new band flop with #31 single". It went back in about 50 or something a couple of weeks later with physical release. Would have undoubtedly done better if they released it at the same time and this treating him like a new artist in this era is silly. Shows there is still an air of naivety about who he's working with in my opinion. (As great as they've been with most things) But your point on Macca kind of sums it up for me. If it never mattered when he wasn't getting no.1 then it doesn't really matter when he does. It makes for a headline or two and maybe a few more sales generated but in the grand scheme of things it's nothing more than a bit of PR now. "A gold medal is a wonderful thing, but if you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough with it"
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 17, 2021 8:32:57 GMT -5
Well, I was referring to the worldwide thing tho Of course the Gallaghers are household names in the UK Charts may be irrelevant for you, and they're certainly not as important as they were before streaming, but they clearly count for the artist and label (see the whole AYDO for #1 discussion), and they're an indication of where you're at with the mainstream The "for a 48 years old" point is made because we're discussing someone who's had his prime as a popular musician in the 90s, so what would be a relatively modest achievement for a current big popstar deserves to be highlighted For instance, Macca didn't have a number 1 album for 30 odd years No one cares because at the end of the day everyone knows who he is and he's headline material at festivals and his gigs are massive But to get that #1 is a brilliant achievement because you don't necessarily expect someone who's name and music was at the top such a long time ago to get people interested in his new music and whose fans are supposed to be less reliant on streaming services which make up most of the sales numbers these days If someone like Ed Sheeran makes it to #1 it's a given, and if he doesn't it's a flop, because he's this generation's popstar, this is his peak now I've made my thoughts well known on the Xmas no.1 talk. It was ridiculous for Liam to even suggest it. All it could do is bring a negative narrative to a good achievement. If the aim was the actual position then a staggered release is suicide. It's always been the case since the Beady Eye days with The Roller. They staggered that and all the headlines were "Liam's new band flop with #31 single". It went back in about 50 or something a couple of weeks later with physical release. Would have undoubtedly done better if they released it at the same time and this treating him like a new artist in this era is silly. Shows there is still an air of naivety about who he's working with in my opinion. (As great as they've been with most things) But your point on Macca kind of sums it up for me. If it never mattered when he wasn't getting no.1 then it doesn't really matter when he does. It makes for a headline or two and maybe a few more sales generated but in the grand scheme of things it's nothing more than a bit of PR now. "A gold medal is a wonderful thing, but if you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough with it" I tend to agree on staggered releases, especially on pre-album singles they're utterly pointless as the single's gonna rechart anyway when the record comes out, but I think in hindsight they did the right thing this time The song was perceived as a normal Liam Gallagher release, hence it got the usual good first week sales (and they had the chance to do promo) and then re-peaked on CW with the vinyl release Had they not staggered it he probably would've got a top 20 but then it would've been out of the charts a couple of weeks earlier There was no way he was making it to number 1, I'd be shocked if I saw a Gallagher making it to the top 10 ever again, but the PR around it shows you they care and they were trying to push it as much as possible, and why wouldn’t they after the work they put it You're right about Macca, loads of names with chart hits who can't sell out a 3k capacity venue or whose name is only to kids, but the point I was trying to make is that "doing great relatively to the context" and "doing great in generic terms" (and I mean *great*) are two different things If we think of Liam as a random act he's doing really good (top 40s, respectable number 1 albums and arenas are not every day's achievements), but he's not as big as the massive ones, the ones who get top 10 hits and multiple platinums and do stadium tours and every c*nt in the world knows If we think of Liam as what he is, a rocker on the wrong side of his 40s whose (incredibly high) peak was 25 years ago he's doing great, and there's still very few rock n roll acts around with his overall numbers
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Post by garylineker on Jan 17, 2021 9:42:21 GMT -5
I've made my thoughts well known on the Xmas no.1 talk. It was ridiculous for Liam to even suggest it. All it could do is bring a negative narrative to a good achievement. If the aim was the actual position then a staggered release is suicide. It's always been the case since the Beady Eye days with The Roller. They staggered that and all the headlines were "Liam's new band flop with #31 single". It went back in about 50 or something a couple of weeks later with physical release. Would have undoubtedly done better if they released it at the same time and this treating him like a new artist in this era is silly. Shows there is still an air of naivety about who he's working with in my opinion. (As great as they've been with most things) But your point on Macca kind of sums it up for me. If it never mattered when he wasn't getting no.1 then it doesn't really matter when he does. It makes for a headline or two and maybe a few more sales generated but in the grand scheme of things it's nothing more than a bit of PR now. "A gold medal is a wonderful thing, but if you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough with it" I tend to agree on staggered releases, especially on pre-album singles they're utterly pointless as the single's gonna rechart anyway when the record comes out, but I think in hindsight they did the right thing this time The song was perceived as a normal Liam Gallagher release, hence it got the usual good first week sales (and they had the chance to do promo) and then re-peaked on CW with the vinyl release Had they not staggered it he probably would've got a top 20 but then it would've been out of the charts a couple of weeks earlier There was no way he was making it to number 1, I'd be shocked if I saw a Gallagher making it to the top 10 ever again, but the PR around it shows you they care and they were trying to push it as much as possible, and why wouldn’t they after the work they put it You're right about Macca, loads of names with chart hits who can't sell out a 3k capacity venue or whose name is only to kids, but the point I was trying to make is that "doing great relatively to the context" and "doing great in generic terms" (and I mean *great*) are two different things If we think of Liam as a random act he's doing really good (top 40s, respectable number 1 albums and arenas are not every day's achievements), but he's not as big as the massive ones, the ones who get top 10 hits and multiple platinums and do stadium tours and every c*nt in the world knows If we think of Liam as what he is, a rocker on the wrong side of his 40s whose (incredibly high) peak was 25 years ago he's doing great, and there's still very few rock n roll acts around with his overall numbers Without a doubt. I'd agree on the staggered release if he didn't make such a big deal about its position. I think a release on Christmas week and doing all the promo for it then would have been the best option. No staggering. Just straight in and see where it gets. Maybe throw in some actual Christmas lyrics too to really emphasise it to the market. I think if Oasis ever released another single it would make the top 10. There were a lot of doubters on here about Liams genuine reach as a brand from just his name, he proved just how much of a strength that is. With Oasis you can times that by a hundred and then some. You only need to look at the figures the Facebook posts, YouTube posts and even the demo Noel released get to see that. Back on to Liam though, sometimes I go back a few years in the Beady Eye section for a bit of revaluation. He was done in so many fans eyes then. There were the few fans who said he needs to get the name Liam out there and predicted some of what has happened, but in general he was finished and a lot where happy to see him stay there. All of this stuff is just a bonus and I'm so glad hes proved every single doubter wrong.
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 17, 2021 13:45:02 GMT -5
Liam is doing just fine and I hope that it will continue to be. Albums have always sold better than singles since the 90s or at least the 2000s anyway.
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Post by acquiesce19 on Jan 19, 2021 15:13:03 GMT -5
My 12" vinyl arrived today in Ohio!
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Post by laylag on Jan 19, 2021 18:03:57 GMT -5
Vinyls finally arrived today (Texas)
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Post by garylineker on Jan 19, 2021 19:02:30 GMT -5
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Post by vespa on Jan 19, 2021 19:12:52 GMT -5
The Gallaghers are household names in the world of music . The weird thing is liams actually matching there gigs and in mainland Europe played some bigger venues than oasis , his comeback is quite remarkable because to the general public he’s literally like marmite but as always been a lot more popular than the media made out . His tours have all sold extremely well as have his albums and singles . If it went on physical sales then you’d get high chart places . Streaming are there downfall but as for someone saying the Xmas number one was daft in prettt sure he was up there on physical sales so not all bad I don’t understand why I keep hearing this notion of “for a 48 year old rock star he’s doing alright” or words to that effect. Liam’s massive again and one of the biggest and most recognisable names in music, he’s a house hold name around the world so why wouldn’t he be seeing this sort of success? Sure, he doesn’t get the billions of views of the likes of Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift etc but still, people don’t seem to appreciate how big Liam is again. Because I'm using that notion to describe his charts success Which is remarkable for someone who's 20 years past his prime and supposedly targets rock n roll fans, so not the prominent genre these days, but 5 weeks on charts and a top 30 peak are hardly The Weeknd kind of numbers And no, he's not a household name around the world He's doing great, but his previous band (not Beady Eye) should be enough to appreciate what massive success in generic terms really is
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Post by garylineker on Jan 19, 2021 22:03:29 GMT -5
The Gallaghers are household names in the world of music . The weird thing is liams actually matching there gigs and in mainland Europe played some bigger venues than oasis , his comeback is quite remarkable because to the general public he’s literally like marmite but as always been a lot more popular than the media made out . His tours have all sold extremely well as have his albums and singles . If it went on physical sales then you’d get high chart places . Streaming are there downfall but as for someone saying the Xmas number one was daft in prettt sure he was up there on physical sales so not all bad Because I'm using that notion to describe his charts success Which is remarkable for someone who's 20 years past his prime and supposedly targets rock n roll fans, so not the prominent genre these days, but 5 weeks on charts and a top 30 peak are hardly The Weeknd kind of numbers And no, he's not a household name around the world He's doing great, but his previous band (not Beady Eye) should be enough to appreciate what massive success in generic terms really is It was daft because he was never going to get number 1. The vinyl chart isnt the actual charts. He didn't say I'm gonna bag the number 1 vinyl.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 20, 2021 6:57:39 GMT -5
Are there any European members who haven't received the orders (black vinyl, red vinyl and a white vinyl) yet? The official store sent me an email 5 weeks ago that my orders have been shipped, yet they're not here yet. Contacted with them, but no reply. I've ordered a white vinyl from my local record store and it arrived the next day. I'm not bother a black one anymore as I can get it from my local record store too, but the store exclusive red 7#.
I'm going to ask a refund (again).
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Post by robg1979 on Jan 20, 2021 8:16:25 GMT -5
Are there any European members who haven't received the orders (black vinyl, red vinyl and a white vinyl) yet? The official store sent me an email 5 weeks ago that my orders have been shipped, yet they're not here yet. Contacted with them, but no reply. I've ordered a white vinyl from my local record store and it arrived the next day. I'm not bother a black one anymore as I can get it from my local record store too, but the store exclusive red 7#. I'm going to ask a refund (again). If there's one thing you can confidently rely on, it's that the official store is 100% rubbish and will always provide that consistency of service.
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Post by LSF on Jan 20, 2021 10:42:40 GMT -5
Are there any European members who haven't received the orders (black vinyl, red vinyl and a white vinyl) yet? The official store sent me an email 5 weeks ago that my orders have been shipped, yet they're not here yet. Contacted with them, but no reply. I've ordered a white vinyl from my local record store and it arrived the next day. I'm not bother a black one anymore as I can get it from my local record store too, but the store exclusive red 7#. I'm going to ask a refund (again). If there's one thing you can confidently rely on, it's that the official store is 100% rubbish and will always provide that consistency of service. I emailed them two weeks ago with no response. Emailed them again yesterday and got a generic, non-personal FAQ email. It's an American order which I expect to be later but this is getting ridiculous.
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Post by robg1979 on Jan 20, 2021 11:35:38 GMT -5
I've had no faith since I ordered the deluxe box set of the last album and it came damaged. I complained and got another damaged one sent, then a third. I then gave up and got my money back.
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 20, 2021 11:49:09 GMT -5
I'd rather walk
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