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Post by spaneli on Sept 22, 2020 13:15:40 GMT -5
For the newest update to Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Album's list, both Definitely Maybe (217) and What's the Story Morning Glory (157) placed. When the list first came out in 2012, Definitely Maybe was left off completely while WTSMG only placed at 378. So this a massive improvement.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Sept 27, 2020 1:44:59 GMT -5
Awful list though... No Pink Floyd or Led Zep in the top 50 JOKE! Also too much hip hop....
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 27, 2020 5:51:38 GMT -5
Awful list though... No Pink Floyd in the top 50 JOKE! Also too much hip hop.... Sounds about right to me No, in all seriousness, I don't see the point in these type of lists. Far too big to have any meaning, and how can you compare different albums from completely different genres and different eras? Is Ready to Die by The Notorious BIG a better album than Dylan's Bringing it All Back Home? Fuck knows, they're far too different to compare. I think the main point of them isn't good discussion but more generating publicity because almost everyone hates the lists for not fitting in enough with their tastes.
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Post by bestwick8 on Sept 27, 2020 9:27:39 GMT -5
Did I miss it or how the fuck didn’t band on the run make it ?!
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 27, 2020 9:53:47 GMT -5
For the newest update to Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Album's list, both Definitely Maybe (217) and What's the Story Morning Glory (157) placed. When the list first came out in 2012, Definitely Maybe was left off completely while WTSMG only placed at 378. So this a massive improvement. I like the sound of this ! I remember being so pissed that DM didnt make it last time, and MG down so low.
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Post by uboasis on Sept 27, 2020 9:59:57 GMT -5
I actually think the solo careers being successful has helped restore some of the shine in the public. I kind feel like oasis started to be perceived as a joke but I actually feel they are revered and their greatness in their prime is more acknowledged as time goes on
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Post by Jessica on Sept 27, 2020 11:22:52 GMT -5
Think it's a good list that covers the average Rolling Stone reader today to be fair. The Stone Roses went up about 100 places and Screamadelica, Different Class, Parklife are even in there now. And as good as The Smiths are, it's better that The Queen Is Dead is the only album of theirs in there and that they knocked one of Radiohead's, along with some others. Makes it read less like someone's list on RYM.
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 27, 2020 12:33:07 GMT -5
I never bother with these sort of lists to be honest.
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Post by World71R on Sept 27, 2020 14:03:07 GMT -5
I actually think the solo careers being successful has helped restore some of the shine in the public. I kind feel like oasis started to be perceived as a joke but I actually feel they are revered and their greatness in their prime is more acknowledged as time goes on The Supersonic documentary, Liam's revival, and Noel reinvigorating his sound with Who Built the Moon? have all contributed greatly to the band receiving a second, more favorable look. Supersonic allowed more than just us diehards in on a deeper look at the boys and what brought them to stardom in a way that was really well-done and had some great contributions. Liam's revival has put out some good tunes and stirred that classic Oasis feel, while Noel is starting to innovate in a way that appeals to critical audiences and pushes his sound forward. It's checking all the boxes in a naturally-done way and, especially being an American fan who decries that they're more than just Wonderwall, I love it.
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Post by matt on Sept 27, 2020 14:55:35 GMT -5
I actually think the solo careers being successful has helped restore some of the shine in the public. I kind feel like oasis started to be perceived as a joke but I actually feel they are revered and their greatness in their prime is more acknowledged as time goes on This is something that has only become apparent in the last few years in terms of just how popular they are. Wonderwall's enduring legacy continues (that even I'm surprised with how it just sustaining its popularity), nostalgia for an Oasis reunion, the Supersonic documentary and Liam's comeback greeted positively from a varied age group of audiences. All this has led to folk pining and revisiting Oasis. Now if Noel can just shut the fuck up and stop trying to put himself on a pedestal with curmudgeonly gammon fuckers like Morrissey and Ian Brown, then they should be fine.
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Post by albarncoxon on Oct 13, 2020 19:26:45 GMT -5
Ok. Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West in the first 20.
In what world any of their stuff is better than Oasis's DM or MG, Pearl Jam's 10, Blur's Parklife, anything from Tom Petty & THB, John Lennon's Imagine, The Smashing Pumpkins's Mellon Collie & Infinite Sadness and so on...?
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Post by PepsiNebula on Oct 13, 2020 20:02:43 GMT -5
Ok. Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West in the first 20. In what world any of their stuff is better than Oasis's DM or MG, Pearl Jam's 10, Blur's Parklife, anything from Tom Petty & THB, John Lennon's Imagine, The Smashing Pumpkins's Mellon Collie & Infinite Sadness and so on...? Which rap album would you prefer to see in the top 20?
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Post by World71R on Oct 13, 2020 20:11:10 GMT -5
Ok. Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West in the first 20. In what world any of their stuff is better than Oasis's DM or MG, Pearl Jam's 10, Blur's Parklife, anything from Tom Petty & THB, John Lennon's Imagine, The Smashing Pumpkins's Mellon Collie & Infinite Sadness and so on...? Kanye's MBDTF is pretty good musically and lyrically to some extent too. Kendrick's albums are all fantastic but To Pimp a Butterfly is an especially important cultural piece, GKMC is a great hip-hop album, DAMN. has cultural significance and is good hip-hop, and Section.80 is one of the best debut hip-hop albums ever & is definitely in the top 25 or top 50 of best debut albums ever. All of those albums you listed are good, but I would put TPAB above all of those, especially given the times we live in now and how it has served as a rallying cry for a generation of black citizens who have proclamations to once again overcome generational hardships that should be a thing of the past by now. Kendrick is a fantastic lyricist and one of the greatest artists of all-time for his unique rapping style and approach to writing that has revealed rapping as a legitimate art form. We love (and I love) those bands and artists you mentioned but, aside from John Lennon, none of them have the same cultural and artistic significance as Kendrick does.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 14, 2020 4:53:15 GMT -5
Ok. Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West in the first 20. In what world any of their stuff is better than Oasis's DM or MG, Pearl Jam's 10, Blur's Parklife, anything from Tom Petty & THB, John Lennon's Imagine, The Smashing Pumpkins's Mellon Collie & Infinite Sadness and so on...? Kanye's MBDTF is pretty good musically and lyrically to some extent too. Kendrick's albums are all fantastic but To Pimp a Butterfly is an especially important cultural piece, GKMC is a great hip-hop album, DAMN. has cultural significance and is good hip-hop, and Section.80 is one of the best debut hip-hop albums ever & is definitely in the top 25 or top 50 of best debut albums ever. All of those albums you listed are good, but I would put TPAB above all of those, especially given the times we live in now and how it has served as a rallying cry for a generation of black citizens who have proclamations to once again overcome generational hardships that should be a thing of the past by now. Kendrick is a fantastic lyricist and one of the greatest artists of all-time for his unique rapping style and approach to writing that has revealed rapping as a legitimate art form. We love (and I love) those bands and artists you mentioned but, aside from John Lennon, none of them have the same cultural and artistic significance as Kendrick does. I wouldn't say Oasis didn't have that cultural significance, they defined a time and a generation, thing is it was the UK and not the US With that said I have no problem with Kanye or Kendrick making the list, as I like some of Kanye's stuff and recognise his impact on the hip hop world and absolutely love Kendrick musically and lyrically With these lists there's always gonna be disagreements, but I think the positions are quite arbitrary, making it and therefore cementing your place as one of those acts that produced a classic is what counts, assuming that anything about this actually does count
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Post by albarncoxon on Oct 14, 2020 8:27:33 GMT -5
Ok. Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West in the first 20. In what world any of their stuff is better than Oasis's DM or MG, Pearl Jam's 10, Blur's Parklife, anything from Tom Petty & THB, John Lennon's Imagine, The Smashing Pumpkins's Mellon Collie & Infinite Sadness and so on...? Which rap album would you prefer to see in the top 20? Is it mandatory that a rap album must be in the top 20?
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Post by albarncoxon on Oct 14, 2020 8:30:21 GMT -5
Ok. Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West in the first 20. In what world any of their stuff is better than Oasis's DM or MG, Pearl Jam's 10, Blur's Parklife, anything from Tom Petty & THB, John Lennon's Imagine, The Smashing Pumpkins's Mellon Collie & Infinite Sadness and so on...? See, like this. For an awful lot of people, it's entirely arguable that Kendrick's To Pimp a Butterfly is better than all those albums. For me, Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is musical perfection in a way that only albums like Abbey Road can compete with. But there's no reasonable way to have a conversation about comparing them, because they're so ridiculously different. Someone from a different time or a different culture or a different country would disagree with me and have a list mostly composed of classic rock. Someone else would find that stupid and have a list with loads of jazz. My girlfriend's dad would fill it with Bollywood soundtracks. And no-one can actually talk to each other about the music, because it's so incomparable that the discussion ends at "No, my taste is right." It's much better to have lists like "Top Ten Indie-Rock Debuts of the 2000's" or something. Then you know you're writing for a specific audience, a specific genre, a specific time. The people reading it can discuss the list and know that there's a common ground of comparison. Having something this mammoth is just an excuse to get people from different generations and cultures arguing about whether apples are better than oranges. Just enjoy what you enjoy and ignore the clickbait, is my advice. It's an endless argument, I know. I see it like this: in 20 years, which album will be still as important as it currently is? You will still see Nevermind, Abbey Road, MG, etc...
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Post by albarncoxon on Oct 14, 2020 8:33:01 GMT -5
Ok. Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West in the first 20. In what world any of their stuff is better than Oasis's DM or MG, Pearl Jam's 10, Blur's Parklife, anything from Tom Petty & THB, John Lennon's Imagine, The Smashing Pumpkins's Mellon Collie & Infinite Sadness and so on...? Kanye's MBDTF is pretty good musically and lyrically to some extent too. Kendrick's albums are all fantastic but To Pimp a Butterfly is an especially important cultural piece, GKMC is a great hip-hop album, DAMN. has cultural significance and is good hip-hop, and Section.80 is one of the best debut hip-hop albums ever & is definitely in the top 25 or top 50 of best debut albums ever. All of those albums you listed are good, but I would put TPAB above all of those, especially given the times we live in now and how it has served as a rallying cry for a generation of black citizens who have proclamations to once again overcome generational hardships that should be a thing of the past by now. Kendrick is a fantastic lyricist and one of the greatest artists of all-time for his unique rapping style and approach to writing that has revealed rapping as a legitimate art form. We love (and I love) those bands and artists you mentioned but, aside from John Lennon, none of them have the same cultural and artistic significance as Kendrick does. I dissagree, but that's the beauty of variety of opinions.
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Post by World71R on Oct 14, 2020 10:18:57 GMT -5
See, like this. For an awful lot of people, it's entirely arguable that Kendrick's To Pimp a Butterfly is better than all those albums. For me, Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is musical perfection in a way that only albums like Abbey Road can compete with. But there's no reasonable way to have a conversation about comparing them, because they're so ridiculously different. Someone from a different time or a different culture or a different country would disagree with me and have a list mostly composed of classic rock. Someone else would find that stupid and have a list with loads of jazz. My girlfriend's dad would fill it with Bollywood soundtracks. And no-one can actually talk to each other about the music, because it's so incomparable that the discussion ends at "No, my taste is right." It's much better to have lists like "Top Ten Indie-Rock Debuts of the 2000's" or something. Then you know you're writing for a specific audience, a specific genre, a specific time. The people reading it can discuss the list and know that there's a common ground of comparison. Having something this mammoth is just an excuse to get people from different generations and cultures arguing about whether apples are better than oranges. Just enjoy what you enjoy and ignore the clickbait, is my advice. It's an endless argument, I know. I see it like this: in 20 years, which album will be still as important as it currently is? You will still see Nevermind, Abbey Road, MG, etc... You'll see those albums, definitely, but I think you'll see other albums like TPAB. They each matter in certain ways to where they're each important albums.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 14, 2020 12:11:39 GMT -5
Not knocking the album as a whole but Chris Rock's contribution to Blame Game is trash. And as much as a classic as Nevermind is I certainly wouldn't say it's the 6th best album of all time. It might not even be the best Nirvana album.
As nice as it is to see Oasis deservedly getting some recognition I agree with those who say lists like this are pointless.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 14, 2020 14:51:00 GMT -5
To Pimp a Butterfly might be the best album of this century.
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Post by mossy on Oct 15, 2020 7:20:25 GMT -5
I agree with those who say lists like this are pointless. I’ve created my own list of the best electronic albums of the 90s and I’m slowly collecting them all. It’s very pointless but it’s a welcome distraction from long boring work conference calls. X
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 15, 2020 8:51:22 GMT -5
To Pimp a Butterfly might be the best album of this century. That's Blonde
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 15, 2020 9:45:49 GMT -5
To Pimp a Butterfly might be the best album of this century. That's Blonde I'm stuck between two. Viva la Vida, or Death And All His Friends.
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