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Post by smash on May 19, 2020 12:15:04 GMT -5
americans can't be alone with themselves and their thoughts and fears for too long or they lose it. and the amount of people i know who have just numbed with substances during this time to avoid any possibility of taking the time to go within is seriously disheartening. That's a broad statement to apply to almost 350 million people. Some people and cities are taking this seriously, some not as much. I'm in a city that for all intents and purposes is on month four of quarantine (San Francisco). We officially went into lockdown mid-March, but basically downtown was virtually empty from February 28 on when the big tech companies started to tell people to work from home. And four months later - people are still abiding by the rules. We wear masks. We step into the street to let people pass. Our rates show that. What is really interesting is in mid-March, SF had more covid cases than NY. But now, several months later, NY's deaths are at 27,500+ and SF is at 35. NY did take it seriously, but the difference in the start times made a massive difference. I worry that the upcoming summer weather will lull people into complacency. With people outdoors more, the rates will drop, and people will get more lax with their behaviours, which will mean Fall could hold a big rebound. And back to being alone with our thoughts - it is based on the person, not the country. I've been doing fine albeit a bit bored with the same old same old. I planted a garden. I write. I go for long walks. I can hear the birds now. I cook. It's been interesting and not altogether bad.
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Post by oasisunited on May 19, 2020 12:45:45 GMT -5
But now, several months later, NY's deaths are at 27,500+ and SF is at 35. NY did take it seriously, but the difference in the start times made a massive difference. Timing is only part of it. NYC has about 27,000 people per square mile, while San Francisco is only about 16,000 per square mile. If you combine that extra density with such a highly transmittable virus (1 person infects 3 others, unlike something like Influeneza which is more like 1 infects < 1 other), you would expect more infections in the place with more people even with all the measures. Timing certainly helped, but you also have to factor in the number of multi-person dwellings, the economic status of residents (did they have to go to work just to survive, while others have the luxury to work from home, etc). There will be many case studies of all of this when it is done and the answers as to why one city fared better than others will be due to multiple factors, many of which will be related to the characteristics of each area, both in terms of demographics and physical characteristics. The bigger issue in all of this are those who feel somehow personal freedoms are being stolen and that somehow justifies behavior that allows the virus to continue to spread. The virus doesn't care about your Gadsden flag -- unless of course you wear it as a mask when keeping 6 feet away from others.
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Post by spaneli on May 19, 2020 13:13:16 GMT -5
But now, several months later, NY's deaths are at 27,500+ and SF is at 35. NY did take it seriously, but the difference in the start times made a massive difference. Timing is only part of it. NYC has about 27,000 people per square mile, while San Francisco is only about 16,000 per square mile. If you combine that extra density with such a highly transmittable virus (1 person infects 3 others, unlike something like Influeneza which is more like 1 infects < 1 other), you would expect more infections in the place with more people even with all the measures. Timing certainly helped, but you also have to factor in the number of multi-person dwellings, the economic status of residents (did they have to go to work just to survive, while others have the luxury to work from home, etc). There will be many case studies of all of this when it is done and the answers as to why one city fared better than others will be due to multiple factors, many of which will be related to the characteristics of each area, both in terms of demographics and physical characteristics. The bigger issue in all of this are those who feel somehow personal freedoms are being stolen and that somehow justifies behavior that allows the virus to continue to spread. The virus doesn't care about your Gadsden flag -- unless of course you wear it as a mask when keeping 6 feet away from others. A place like NYC also has a different lifestyle than SF. Public transportation is MUCH more prevalent in NYC than SF, and the subway might as well be a super spreader.
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smash
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Post by smash on May 19, 2020 14:55:33 GMT -5
Timing is only part of it. NYC has about 27,000 people per square mile, while San Francisco is only about 16,000 per square mile. If you combine that extra density with such a highly transmittable virus (1 person infects 3 others, unlike something like Influeneza which is more like 1 infects < 1 other), you would expect more infections in the place with more people even with all the measures. Timing certainly helped, but you also have to factor in the number of multi-person dwellings, the economic status of residents (did they have to go to work just to survive, while others have the luxury to work from home, etc). There will be many case studies of all of this when it is done and the answers as to why one city fared better than others will be due to multiple factors, many of which will be related to the characteristics of each area, both in terms of demographics and physical characteristics. The bigger issue in all of this are those who feel somehow personal freedoms are being stolen and that somehow justifies behavior that allows the virus to continue to spread. The virus doesn't care about your Gadsden flag -- unless of course you wear it as a mask when keeping 6 feet away from others. A place like NYC also has a different lifestyle than SF. Public transportation is MUCH more prevalent in NYC than SF, and the subway might as well be a super spreader. Density is a factor, but there are many cities with MUCH less density with far higher rates. SF the city has a smaller population than Manhattan, but if you look at the SF Bay Area overall, the population is very close to NYC (7.8 M vs 8.3M). Total deaths SF Bay Area 400, total deaths NYC 15K (my first posting had the wrong figure for NYC, I used the state figure). There are many cities and states that have far more deaths per 1M population - Yes, NY is #1 and NJ #2, but then #6 is Louisiana, #8 is Rhode Island, #15 is Mississippi, #24 is Iowa, #25 is Alabama and so on. Two of the least dense states (Nevada #23, New Mexico #20) are higher than California (#30). Timing and behaviour absolutely plays a huge part. And SF may not be as dense as Manhattan, but believe me, it's dense. We do have subways, buses, and trains. We are on a very small piece of land (7 x 7 miles). The daytime workday density downtown is between 177K and 368K (!) in the financial district. Driving downtown is not much of an option (unless you don't mind paying $40-60 bucks to park your car). But yes, the economics plays a big part - we had jobs that people could switch to at home, and not everyone has that option. I feel for workers in the states that are playing loose with the precautions at this point.
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Post by Marissa on May 19, 2020 15:51:47 GMT -5
americans can't be alone with themselves and their thoughts and fears for too long or they lose it. and the amount of people i know who have just numbed with substances during this time to avoid any possibility of taking the time to go within is seriously disheartening. That's a broad statement to apply to almost 350 million people. Some people and cities are taking this seriously, some not as much. I'm in a city that for all intents and purposes is on month four of quarantine (San Francisco). We officially went into lockdown mid-March, but basically downtown was virtually empty from February 28 on when the big tech companies started to tell people to work from home. And four months later - people are still abiding by the rules. We wear masks. We step into the street to let people pass. Our rates show that. What is really interesting is in mid-March, SF had more covid cases than NY. But now, several months later, NY's deaths are at 27,500+ and SF is at 35. NY did take it seriously, but the difference in the start times made a massive difference. I worry that the upcoming summer weather will lull people into complacency. With people outdoors more, the rates will drop, and people will get more lax with their behaviours, which will mean Fall could hold a big rebound. And back to being alone with our thoughts - it is based on the person, not the country. I've been doing fine albeit a bit bored with the same old same old. I planted a garden. I write. I go for long walks. I can hear the birds now. I cook. It's been interesting and not altogether bad. it is a broad statement and doesn't apply to everyone. but i think it's majority true. i'm not really talking about those who are or are not taking things seriously.. i also definitely believe that the west has taken better action than elsewhere in the country... but i definitely know people who are taking it seriously and still are resisting this as a time for growth. it's interesting because we've been given unprecedented time to slow down, reevaluate and heal ourselves (which everyone needs to do to some degree). but there's been a lot of resistance to doing so. even for those who stay home, wear masks in public 100% of the time, and don't want things to reopen to soon. obviously there's a lot of people who are resistant to all of the above, and some who are just having a hard time taking the time to make their lives and minds and souls better while still not having any level of complacency towards the pandemic itself. it's hippie speak, but it has a basis. i've been social distancing since i moved to the middle of nowhere at 18, no joke, and i distracted myself at the beginning, too. and i agree - i think a rebound is a given.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 19, 2020 16:41:09 GMT -5
The worst thing going on in America right now (not including the pandemic and economic crisis) are the conspiracy folks hijacking the pandemic situation and spreading misinformation. And unfortunately, the information is accepted by many who then make decisions based on it(usually bad decisions). It's been quite vocal lately. Everything from 5G causing corona to Bill Gates wanting to murder the world with vaccines.
The anti-vaxxers are going to be a big problem when a vaccine is finally ready.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on May 20, 2020 2:37:31 GMT -5
The worst thing going on in America right now (not including the pandemic and economic crisis) are the conspiracy folks hijacking the pandemic situation and spreading misinformation. And unfortunately, the information is accepted by many who then make decisions based on it(usually bad decisions). It's been quite vocal lately. Everything from 5G causing corona to Bill Gates wanting to murder the world with vaccines. The anti-vaxxers are going to be a big problem when a vaccine is finally ready. And Hercules (Kevin Sorbo) is moaning about lockdowns. Same guy who wonders why the Raptors didn't see Trump. Speaking of Trump, friend of mother's reaction was 🤦🤦 (She is a blood tester buuuuuuut...........)
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Post by oasisserbia on May 20, 2020 4:50:27 GMT -5
The worst thing going on in America right now (not including the pandemic and economic crisis) are the conspiracy folks hijacking the pandemic situation and spreading misinformation. And unfortunately, the information is accepted by many who then make decisions based on it(usually bad decisions). It's been quite vocal lately. Everything from 5G causing corona to Bill Gates wanting to murder the world with vaccines. The anti-vaxxers are going to be a big problem when a vaccine is finally ready. Why would anti-vaxxers be problem? If I, for example, don't want vaccine and you are all vaccinated, where is the problem? Why even debating, people who wants vaccine will be safe, those who doesn't are only putting in danger their own health and life and health and life of people who also doesn't wan't to be vaccinated. Is it illegal to drink 10 bottles of vodka with your 2 friends in your house while not harming anybody else outside that house?
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Post by RocketMan on May 20, 2020 9:02:28 GMT -5
The worst thing going on in America right now (not including the pandemic and economic crisis) are the conspiracy folks hijacking the pandemic situation and spreading misinformation. And unfortunately, the information is accepted by many who then make decisions based on it(usually bad decisions). It's been quite vocal lately. Everything from 5G causing corona to Bill Gates wanting to murder the world with vaccines. The anti-vaxxers are going to be a big problem when a vaccine is finally ready. Why would anti-vaxxers be problem? If I, for example, don't want vaccine and you are all vaccinated, where is the problem? Why even debating, people who wants vaccine will be safe, those who doesn't are only putting in danger their own health and life and health and life of people who also doesn't wan't to be vaccinated. Is it illegal to drink 10 bottles of vodka with your 2 friends in your house while not harming anybody else outside that house? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunityWhy not educate yourself before raising questions?
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Post by oasisunited on May 20, 2020 10:16:05 GMT -5
And SF may not be as dense as Manhattan, but believe me, it's dense. It's actually no where near as dense. While NYC overall has a density that is about 10,000 more per square mile than SF (~26,000 psm vs ~18,000 psm), Manhattan's density is around 66,000 per square mile (or 4-5x SF). I totally agree that timing is important and may even be the most important factor assuming you act immediately (which none of the US did), but even if NYC had acted as soon as SF did, it still would have had higher rates due to these other factors, especially given how highly transmissible this virus is with its R0 value estimated to be between 2 and 2.5 (some have placed it as high as 6!). We see this here in Massachusetts. We acted pretty early relative to most of the US, but still are at the top of the list in both cases and deaths. When you actually dig into the statistics, most of the cases are coming from very dense, urban areas around Boston that have a lot of things in common: lower income, multi-tenant housing areas where people need to work/are required to work. We did all the things that have been suggested, such as sheltering in place, wearing masks, closing restaurants, not opening too soon and it still went up. Again, timing certainly helps, but being a week earlier would have not prevented this, as we all missed the chance to contain this back in December/January.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 20, 2020 10:23:22 GMT -5
The worst thing going on in America right now (not including the pandemic and economic crisis) are the conspiracy folks hijacking the pandemic situation and spreading misinformation. And unfortunately, the information is accepted by many who then make decisions based on it(usually bad decisions). It's been quite vocal lately. Everything from 5G causing corona to Bill Gates wanting to murder the world with vaccines. The anti-vaxxers are going to be a big problem when a vaccine is finally ready. Why would anti-vaxxers be problem? If I, for example, don't want vaccine and you are all vaccinated, where is the problem? Anti-vaxxers are obviously still capable of spreading the virus. Which allows for viruses to mutate. So not only does this prevent herd immunity from being as effective since many walking around haven't been vaccinated, they are also allowing the virus to propagate and change, which puts those who have been vaccinated (as well as those who haven't) at risk, since they haven't been vaccinated for new strains of the virus and there's no guarantee the vaccination they received will be effective against mutated strains or even the strains they were vaccinated for since it's not 100% effective to begin with.
So it's quite a big deal when people make the personal decision to not be vaccinated. You put everybody around you, even those who have been vaccinated at risk. During a pandemic, this is especially problematic. It's a mistake to assume it is a personal choice which only affects yourself. It doesn't.
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Post by globe on May 21, 2020 2:45:09 GMT -5
Southend and Portobello beach yesterday - fuck me. That 2nd wave is in the post.
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Post by globe on May 23, 2020 17:26:23 GMT -5
So, thon Cummings is a lying, sneaky, horrible kunt eh? I’m so shocked.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 23, 2020 23:13:58 GMT -5
Florida about to have first manned rocket launch in 9 years on the 27th. Crowds in my town expected to be between 150,000 - 500,000. People from all over the country. Many of whom will likely be here a couple of days minimum.
Can't say I am too enthusiastic about it. We've been relatively untouched with only 400 confirmed cases so far. That's sure to change as these crowds eat at our restaurants and mingle with town natives. And our king shit sheriff Wayne Ivey encourages people to come, despite NASA warning against it.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 24, 2020 12:11:11 GMT -5
A complete slap in the face from Boris Johnson to everyone in the UK who has been following lockdown rules. Just been tweeted:
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Post by Supersonic on May 24, 2020 13:02:01 GMT -5
Get Boris out.
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Post by globe on May 25, 2020 14:41:16 GMT -5
Get him to fuck. And he should take his wee weird looking Nazi goblin little kunt with him.
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Post by mimmihopps on May 26, 2020 4:13:34 GMT -5
Pot, Kettle, black and clowns.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on May 27, 2020 15:37:01 GMT -5
The amount of 'It doesn't exist this is tyranny' idiots around. 🤦
(Coming from an immunocompromised)
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on May 28, 2020 7:26:26 GMT -5
I can see a liar sitting by the fire
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Post by mimmihopps on May 28, 2020 8:32:42 GMT -5
I can see a liar sitting by the fire Shinzo Abe Donald Trump Boris Johnson Bolsonaro and many other "leaders".
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on May 28, 2020 10:08:21 GMT -5
I can see a liar sitting by the fire Shinzo Abe Donald Trump Boris Johnson Bolsonaro and many other "leaders". Do Not Forget to list up Xi Jinping and Tedros
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 25, 2020 4:31:32 GMT -5
So how's everyone are doing now?
Dutch government announced about the new measures last night. From 1st of July, there'll be no limited numbers of customers at theaters, museums, cinema, concert venues as long as everyone keeps distance of 1,5 meter. Football matches will start with audiences from 1st September. From 1st of July all seats in a public transport can be fully used (now the max. capacity is 40%).
We're allowed to go on holiday within EU except UK and Sweden, so people started to book their holiday. I'm not going anywhere this Summer. Seeing the photo of a packed airport makes me scary.
Meanwhile a part of our neighbour (Germany) the situation is getting worse.
Stay safe and take care for each other, people!
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Post by oasisserbia on Jun 25, 2020 17:43:28 GMT -5
So how's everyone are doing now? Dutch government announced about the new measures last night. From 1st of July, there'll be no limited numbers of customers at theaters, museums, cinema, concert venues as long as everyone keeps distance of 1,5 meter. Football matches will start with audiences from 1st September. From 1st of July all seats in a public transport can be fully used (now the max. capacity is 40%). We're allowed to go on holiday within EU except UK and Sweden, so people started to book their holiday. I'm not going anywhere this Summer. Seeing the photo of a packed airport makes me scary. Meanwhile a part of our neighbour (Germany) the situation is getting worse. Stay safe and take care for each other, people! Are those measures ok in your opinion?
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 26, 2020 4:32:23 GMT -5
So how's everyone are doing now? Dutch government announced about the new measures last night. From 1st of July, there'll be no limited numbers of customers at theaters, museums, cinema, concert venues as long as everyone keeps distance of 1,5 meter. Football matches will start with audiences from 1st September. From 1st of July all seats in a public transport can be fully used (now the max. capacity is 40%). We're allowed to go on holiday within EU except UK and Sweden, so people started to book their holiday. I'm not going anywhere this Summer. Seeing the photo of a packed airport makes me scary. Meanwhile a part of our neighbour (Germany) the situation is getting worse. Stay safe and take care for each other, people! Are those measures ok in your opinion? I have no problem with those measures and I can live with that. Why on earth would I go to a packed beach even it's very warm right now over here? Let's face it, countries which don't bother to take measures, how they are now.
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