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Post by oasisunited on Mar 15, 2020 8:00:56 GMT -5
Still don't see the vital need to cancel Glasto given it's over three months away and frankly I imagine the majority of the country are gonna have it much quicker than the gov are predicting even if their measures to delay it work. Let me preface by saying that I dont think it will happen this early, but the reason to cancel sooner rather than later would be to minimize the disruption to the logistics/companies involved and/or because those companies involved are already impacted (layoffs, etc). If it starts to project that the resources wont be there to put on the festival safely, and they have a contractual deadline to meet in order to minimize losses, that will be what drives the decision this far out. The health emergency will only come into play once the projections show that community spread will still be growing or higher than officials like at that time in June. As you stated, we are a long way off from predicting that state at this time. Either way, hopefully governments come to their sense quickly and realize that the short term economic pain will be worth it in the long run to avoid more cancellations like Glastonbury. |
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Post by Jack on Mar 15, 2020 11:20:00 GMT -5
I just thought he was trying to say if you take vitamins etc/be healthy then your body will be better prepared for dealing with the virus. On the whole that's true isn't it. Like I said it's stating the obvious and you have to do much more than just 'take vitamins' but if you put good stuff in your body and take care of it then you're less likely to be impacted as much as someone that doesn't do that. But yeh, there's no 'cure' for flu or coronaviruses. And this one in particular is clearly very bad. Still don't see the vital need to cancel Glasto given it's over three months away and frankly I imagine the majority of the country are gonna have it much quicker than the gov are predicting even if their measures to delay it work. Just can't see how the peak - even with these measures - isn't going to arrive by this time next month at the latest. In which case, it seems really, really daft to just cancel everything. This is going to be around for months overall before an immunity is built up or they get a vaccine which has some impact; can't close everything down forever. Suggesting that simple vitamins can cure the corona virus is stupid, but he didn't suggest that. He said that it can strengthen your immune system, which would make you less likely to get the virus. Nothing wrong with that. Thank you. And I provided links from actual scientific studies, but this 'Aka Lad' user just dismisses everything. I'm sure if it was printed in the Daily Mail, he would believe it 😂 |
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Post by rebus on Mar 15, 2020 16:02:18 GMT -5
Glastonbury, along with any other major public event between now and summer, will be cancelled.
Government can't be seen to be any more idle than they have been in their approach in the UK thus far.
Mark my words.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 15, 2020 18:34:03 GMT -5
Glastonbury, along with any other major public event between now and summer, will be cancelled. Government can't be seen to be any more idle than they have been in their approach in the UK thus far. Mark my words. End of June is the middle of the summer. It's over three months away. The UK economy cannot support all of these events being cancelled for three months. It can't afford for people not to spend money and do things. And at the end of the day, the only way for to beat this virus - which is now here for good - is to get it, really. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see what you have said will happen, happen. But, it'd be pointless in the case of Glastonbury really and even events from May onwards. The next 4-6 weeks, totally understand. But there is no chance the mjority of the population won't have had it by the end of April. Not a chance in hell. The horse has already bolted. |
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Post by globe on Mar 16, 2020 4:00:40 GMT -5
Absolutely no danger Glastonbury will be on this year.
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Post by modxxii on Mar 16, 2020 4:52:14 GMT -5
"The next 4-6 weeks, totally understand."
Almost 1900 victims in Italy. It seems uk/us people still don't get how serious it is.
It will be last months... ,(
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Post by bt95 on Mar 16, 2020 5:25:04 GMT -5
"The next 4-6 weeks, totally understand." Almost 1900 victims in Italy. It seems uk/us people still don't get how serious it is. It will be last months... ,( And Italy weren't prepared for it. Reacted late and had to react swiftly. I'm not saying the UK gov are any better prepared, btw. This virus is spreading like nothing seen before. It has been what, three weeks since the main outbreak in Italy? Glasto is 15 weeks away. My point is, you can suspend and postpone all these events now, but doing so in three months' time, right now, seems pointless, because most people will have had the virus anyway by then. And until there's a vaccine, that is the only way to beat it. To get it. I don't mean at all to take away from people's suffering. These are scary times. But life's not worth living if you can't have a bit of joy to look forward to. |
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Post by modxxii on Mar 16, 2020 5:35:39 GMT -5
We WHAT? Reacted late? LOL We lockdown the first red zones after 50 positives and 2 victims. The only way is to get it? You (and UK gov) have NO idea, mate. The only way (see China) is the massive lockdown. edit: I dont wanna be polemic, btw. Here is a war.  |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 16, 2020 5:41:47 GMT -5
We WHAT? Reacted late? LOL We lockdown the first red zones after 50 positives and 2 victims. The only way is to get it? You (and UK gov) have NO idea, mate. The only way (see China) is the massive lockdown. The virus had already spread, that was the point. You can't beat it. And locking people up for three months isn't going to work in terms of the population – you watch if that's still the case. Italy, UK, any western country, cannot support that. The econonomy will be devastated. And like I've said, I am in no way defending the UK gov or suggesting we're going to be any better off. Half of the population (at least) will get it. 99/100 will be fine and obviously that's still not good. But it comes back to needing to have it to beat it. You can't lock yourself away for three months and think that you're going to be protected. Not how it works, the virus is already here and it's here to stay. The UK's plan (and in theory it's a sound one) is to spread it out and hope the NHS can manage it. Now, I think they've left it too late to implement and that we'll still get hit, but hopefully we won't get hit as bad as Italy and Spain. Cancelling events in three and a half months' time (right now) still seems premature, to me. |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 16, 2020 5:45:42 GMT -5
and modxxii please don't tell me I have 'no idea' how bad it is or is going to be. As I've mentioned on this thread, my entire livelihood and main source of income has now been devastated by this for the next two weeks at the least and most likely much, much longer. I appreciate it's the case for a lot of people, particularly those who are self-employed. It's a horrid time and unless I show symptoms or feel in any way ill, I for one won't be locking myself away in a room for two weeks either. Of course, if there is any sign of me or anyone I have come into contact with showing the symptoms then I'd do what I needed to. I'm sure most people will. There's nothing we can do to stop this though. Nothing. Not that I trust Chinese media particularly, but there's been interviews with people who are European living over there and they say life is just about returning to normal. About 5-6 weeks after total lockdown. If the UK gov's plan can at least work in some capacity, then a 3-4 week peak seems a reasonable expectation. If that's done by early May, what is the requirement to cancel an event or a series of events months later? |
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Post by modxxii on Mar 16, 2020 5:58:24 GMT -5
I wrote you have no idea of the situation because you don't live NOW in Italy.
I will lost my work and my income too cause I'm a self-employed. But common health is much more important than economy.
The only proven way to stop the spreading is the lockdown.
I don't see Glasto to be happen... I hope to be denied.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 16, 2020 6:05:40 GMT -5
I wrote you have no idea of the situation because you don't live NOW in Italy. I will lost my work and my income too cause I'm a self-employed. But common health is much more important than economy. The only proven way to stop the spreading is the lockdown. I don't see Glasto to be happen... I hope to be denied. That's fair enough. I didn't mean to come across like I knew exactly how the case was in Italy. But the point is the whole of Europe (and the world, after China) reacted late. We should have really been banning all travel from China within a day of the confirmed outbreak if there was any chance of stopping it or slowing it down. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 16, 2020 6:56:07 GMT -5
We WHAT? Reacted late? LOL We lockdown the first red zones after 50 positives and 2 victims. The only way is to get it? You (and UK gov) have NO idea, mate. The only way (see China) is the massive lockdown. The virus had already spread, that was the point. You can't beat it. And locking people up for three months isn't going to work in terms of the population – you watch if that's still the case. Italy, UK, any western country, cannot support that. The econonomy will be devastated. And like I've said, I am in no way defending the UK gov or suggesting we're going to be any better off. Half of the population (at least) will get it. 99/100 will be fine and obviously that's still not good. But it comes back to needing to have it to beat it. You can't lock yourself away for three months and think that you're going to be protected. Not how it works, the virus is already here and it's here to stay. The UK's plan (and in theory it's a sound one) is to spread it out and hope the NHS can manage it. Now, I think they've left it too late to implement and that we'll still get hit, but hopefully we won't get hit as bad as Italy and Spain. Cancelling events in three and a half months' time (right now) still seems premature, to me. Guys, what you're not getting is that 99/100 won't be fine, that's what they're telling you but not what statistics show We have a high mortality rate, too high probably, but this virus can kill you It kills older people, it kills people with other illnesses, but it has also kills, in minor doses, people who have no problems at all And also the point is not even who dies, but how many people have to be hospitalized in need of assistance to be able to breathe, and that's around 20% of those who contract the virus, and it's not just old people, it's young adults too That's why our sanitary system is struggling, and frankly I can't see how yours plans to fight against what will be much bigger numbers |
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Post by eva on Mar 16, 2020 9:34:54 GMT -5
It's a horrid time and unless I show symptoms or feel in any way ill, I for one won't be locking myself away in a room for two weeks either. Of course, if there is any sign of me or anyone I have come into contact with showing the symptoms then I'd do what I needed to. I'm sure most people will. that kind of behaviour puts other people in danger even if you're not showing symptoms you may be carrying the virus and you can transmit it to more vulnerable people I know it's not possible to completely stay at home, but if you can avoid going out, you should as much as possible about Glasto... who knows 3 months from now what will happen but it seems unlikely imo |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 16, 2020 12:48:32 GMT -5
The virus had already spread, that was the point. You can't beat it. And locking people up for three months isn't going to work in terms of the population – you watch if that's still the case. Italy, UK, any western country, cannot support that. The econonomy will be devastated. And like I've said, I am in no way defending the UK gov or suggesting we're going to be any better off. Half of the population (at least) will get it. 99/100 will be fine and obviously that's still not good. But it comes back to needing to have it to beat it. You can't lock yourself away for three months and think that you're going to be protected. Not how it works, the virus is already here and it's here to stay. The UK's plan (and in theory it's a sound one) is to spread it out and hope the NHS can manage it. Now, I think they've left it too late to implement and that we'll still get hit, but hopefully we won't get hit as bad as Italy and Spain. Cancelling events in three and a half months' time (right now) still seems premature, to me. Guys, what you're not getting is that 99/100 won't be fine, that's what they're telling you but not what statistics show We have a high mortality rate, too high probably, but this virus can kill you It kills older people, it kills people with other illnesses, but it has also kills, in minor doses, people who have no problems at all And also the point is not even who dies, but how many people have to be hospitalized in need of assistance to be able to breathe, and that's around 20% of those who contract the virus, and it's not just old people, it's young adults too That's why our sanitary system is struggling, and frankly I can't see how yours plans to fight against what will be much bigger numbers And so does the flu. The main issue with this virus is how quickly it has spread and nobody has an answer - hence the pandemic. I'm not trying to say it isn't dangerous. Based on the worldwide statistics currently available, the mortality rate is around 1%, is it not? I know anyone can get it and anyone can be impacted. Doesn't change that the only way to beat it is to get it. The likelihood from what I've read/watched is that this virus is going to be around for at least a year one way or the other before they can vaccinate against it. So what happens? Does the world stop for a year? A genuine question. The UK's plan was initially to try and even out a 'peak'. They were trying to spread the impact over 10 weeks, rather than have it all hit in a 2-3 week slot (like in Italy and Spain). They implemented the plan too late (like i said earlier) and have acknowledged that today. What they are still trying to do is to delay as much as possible without going into full lockdown mode (that will come whne the peak hits I assume). They know full well the NHS can't handle a peak of 2-3 weeks right now. But, if the peak can be spread over even a 6-7 week period then that will help. Their initial forecast of the peak not coming until May/June which they made last week was utter drivel and I'm unsure how anybody who has qualified to be in such a position could say that when it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that the UK would be getting hit much sooner than that. |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 16, 2020 12:56:29 GMT -5
It's a horrid time and unless I show symptoms or feel in any way ill, I for one won't be locking myself away in a room for two weeks either. Of course, if there is any sign of me or anyone I have come into contact with showing the symptoms then I'd do what I needed to. I'm sure most people will. that kind of behaviour puts other people in danger even if you're not showing symptoms you may be carrying the virus and you can transmit it to more vulnerable people I know it's not possible to completely stay at home, but if you can avoid going out, you should as much as possible about Glasto... who knows 3 months from now what will happen but it seems unlikely imo I have been working from home for the last three weeks – luckily I am in a posiiton to do so. Today I have been, for all intents and purposes, laid off for the next two months bar 1-2 short shifts per week, which are subject to getting cancelled. It's horrible. I go out to go to the shop, grab a takeaway coffee sometimes, go on a walk / run or to the gym. I could be carrying the virus. I might not. The government have not issued a lockdown in the UK yet so I am doing nothing wrong by continuing my life. I can't live my life in fear. I already have enough worries as it is. It is also extremely unhealthy to be locked in doors. I can't stand it. It's dreadful for your mental and emotional health, especially for someone like me who does a lot of walking and running. I am lucky enough that I live in a suburb of a small city in the north of England. I am not in a densely populated inner-city area and I don't have to use public transport as I drive. I'm not having a dig here at all because I appreicate your message and fully understand it. But a life living in solitude and indoors is no life at all, I'm sorry. I haven't done any travelling in the last two weeks and I haven't shown any symptoms. I don't qualify for a test in the UK so what am I meant to do? Sit around and wait to see if I get ill? The peak is meant to be weeks off, so what do I do after I've sat around for 14 days and nothing's happened? Am I cured of an illness I've maybe never had? And yes I agree on Glasto which would be a huge shame for everyone. I just think cancelling right now (as in, the next 2-3 weeks) would seem early when we have no idea yet how this could play out. It's been eight weeks (IIRC, and give or take) since the outbreak in Wuhan. Glasto is nearly double that amount of time away. And the predictions the UK gov made last week about the peak over here coming in May/June have already been proved wrong and today they acknowledged as such. |
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Post by mouth on Mar 16, 2020 13:20:22 GMT -5
I just thought he was trying to say if you take vitamins etc/be healthy then your body will be better prepared for dealing with the virus. On the whole that's true isn't it. Like I said it's stating the obvious and you have to do much more than just 'take vitamins' but if you put good stuff in your body and take care of it then you're less likely to be impacted as much as someone that doesn't do that. But yeh, there's no 'cure' for flu or coronaviruses. And this one in particular is clearly very bad. Still don't see the vital need to cancel Glasto given it's over three months away and frankly I imagine the majority of the country are gonna have it much quicker than the gov are predicting even if their measures to delay it work. Just can't see how the peak - even with these measures - isn't going to arrive by this time next month at the latest. In which case, it seems really, really daft to just cancel everything. This is going to be around for months overall before an immunity is built up or they get a vaccine which has some impact; can't close everything down forever. Suggesting that simple vitamins can cure the corona virus is stupid, but he didn't suggest that. He said that it can strengthen your immune system, which would make you less likely to get the virus. Nothing wrong with that. no, he said it would cure the flu. he probably also believes the government is controlling us with vapour trails. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 16, 2020 16:19:42 GMT -5
This festival will not happen in June.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 16, 2020 18:08:45 GMT -5
This festival will not happen in June. Honestly let's just wait and see. I mean I'd put money on you being right but they'll do everything they can to have it go ahead. The UK gov pretty much acknowledged a few hours ago that their initial estimates were wrong and that we would not be hitting peak infection rates in 10-12 weeks. Which of course was always pie in the sky and was clearly down to the UK having not tested enough. We're 2-3 weeks behind Italy, which seems to be peaking right now. I imagine that means the infection rates will peak in early-mid April in the UK. In the US, looks like your gov is following the UK's basic plan, but has a bit of extra time and you'll hopefully be able to delay it longer. Same with New Zealand (I have friends over there). If Glasto gets cancelled it'll be in the coming weeks by mid-April latest you'd imagine. But it still seems like that's far too early to say it won't be safe by the end of June. This virus seems to have moved far too quickly so far – and this is the thing, it's declining now in China and South Korea etc. Obviously, maybe their measures have been more stringent than in the UK so far. We just have to wait and see. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 16, 2020 18:24:48 GMT -5
This festival will not happen in June. Honestly let's just wait and see. I mean I'd put money on you being right but they'll do everything they can to have it go ahead. The UK gov pretty much acknowledged a few hours ago that their initial estimates were wrong and that we would not be hitting peak infection rates in 10-12 weeks. Which of course was always pie in the sky and was clearly down to the UK having not tested enough. We're 2-3 weeks behind Italy, which seems to be peaking right now. I imagine that means the infection rates will peak in early-mid April in the UK. In the US, looks like your gov is following the UK's basic plan, but has a bit of extra time and you'll hopefully be able to delay it longer. Same with New Zealand (I have friends over there). If Glasto gets cancelled it'll be in the coming weeks by mid-April latest you'd imagine. But it still seems like that's far too early to say it won't be safe by the end of June. This virus seems to have moved far too quickly so far – and this is the thing, it's declining now in China and South Korea etc. Obviously, maybe their measures have been more stringent than in the UK so far. We just have to wait and see. I’m basing it on what the CDC and Gov say here. American sports can’t come back before June 1. And that is best case scenario. It’s bad optics to continue on with a festival when most of the world will still be in lockdown. I use Asia as a blueprint. They have been in lockdown for a couple months. Still the case. Until they resume. We don’t. |
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Post by knownoname on Mar 17, 2020 1:42:05 GMT -5
From credible sources in the booking industry in my circle, I heard that most festivals during this summer season in Europe are about to be postponed or cancelled. The reason why it hasn't happened officially yet is that there the organizers need official government instructions to justify a cancellation to make insurance claims.
But behind closed doors the cancellation plans are full on.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 17, 2020 2:45:35 GMT -5
From credible sources in the booking industry in my circle, I heard that most festivals during this summer season in Europe are about to be postponed or cancelled. The reason why it hasn't happened officially yet is that there the organizers need official government instructions to justify a cancellation to make insurance claims. But behind closed doors the cancellation plans are full on. Of course they will cancel everything. They just need the greenlight from the lawyers. Stay safe, stay home. Who cares about sticky and disgusting festivals. |
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Post by jh on Mar 17, 2020 7:45:26 GMT -5
From credible sources in the booking industry in my circle, I heard that most festivals during this summer season in Europe are about to be postponed or cancelled. The reason why it hasn't happened officially yet is that there the organizers need official government instructions to justify a cancellation to make insurance claims. But behind closed doors the cancellation plans are full on. Of course they will cancel everything. They just need the greenlight from the lawyers. Stay safe, stay home. Who cares about sticky and disgusting festivals. Without a doubt all events will be shut down. Sad times but safety is first. |
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Post by aesthetic on Mar 17, 2020 12:25:49 GMT -5
20 quid says Glasto won't go ahead. No chance.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 17, 2020 17:43:10 GMT -5
Of course they will cancel everything. They just need the greenlight from the lawyers. Stay safe, stay home. Who cares about sticky and disgusting festivals. Without a doubt all events will be shut down. Sad times but safety is first. Three months away. Longer than the entire lifespan of this outbreak (to date, of course). The real reason for any cancellations will be the logistics of suppliers and stuff and all the legalities. Might as well fucking get the thing cause there's fuck all else to do. Honestly depressing. Having a really shit time at the moment (and I know it's not just me). Getting laid off work and having nothing to look forward to isn't a way to live your life. |
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