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Post by matt on Jun 24, 2019 7:39:57 GMT -5
You can tell Gem wrote that Far too eloquent and sophisticated for a Gem songs. |
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Post by matt on Jun 24, 2019 7:42:25 GMT -5
It escapes me - was Record Machine recorded for this album bar Liam’s vocals? Not too fussed about Record Machine (but damn sight better though than AGN and NOR) but I still cannot understand the stupidity of everyone involved in not getting superior songs on the album. Love that driving riff of Come On Outside especially, and with Liam’s vocals, it would have been many people’s favourite on the album. It also shows the incompetence of Ignition and Marcus Russell too. Any savvy industry person or major record label would be giving hell for leather in getting such quality onto an album. A major record company would have sent the final album back and told them to finish it. That Noel moans about lack of album sales yet flogged an unfinished fully priced album to fans without any hint of irony is laughable. It’s these kind of practices from major acts that contributes to the killing of an album as an art form, not just the digital era. Cos Noel wasnt overly fussed about them being Oasis songs because he knew he could just use them for his solo work. In that case, he kind of blew it. Come On Outside has ‘missed its moment’ and in any case, if he did release it as a solo tune, it’s so obviously a Dig Out Your Soul tune in terms of its style that it seems pointless to release it on anything else I think. The only reception that tune would get would be ‘better off on DOYS and Liam should have sung it’. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jun 24, 2019 10:02:10 GMT -5
The more I think about DOYS, the more it perplexes me (that's right... perplexes) that people think so highly of it.
The first side is good. The second half is absolutely pathetic. TBWTL is average... everything else on that second side is almost an insult to the name Oasis. High Horse Lady is rubbish. The Nature of reality was written by Andy Bell, so is therefore utter shit. Ain't Got Nothing is horrendous.
The fact that the first side is so utterly fantastic, and the second half is so shambolic is just mind-boggling. If they didn't have enough tunes for an album, why did they release one?
I think it is nonsense that they 'didn't have time to record the vocals' to certain tracks. They are Oasis. Phone the management and tell them that they needed another month to release the album.
I think the democratic nature of the band killed them. Replace Ain't Got Nothing, The Nature of Reality and High Horse Lady with three half decent tracks and you're onto a winner.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 24, 2019 10:08:46 GMT -5
Cos Noel wasnt overly fussed about them being Oasis songs because he knew he could just use them for his solo work. In that case, he kind of blew it. Come On Outside has ‘missed its moment’ and in any case, if he did release it as a solo tune, it’s so obviously a Dig Out Your Soul tune in terms of its style that it seems pointless to release it on anything else I think. The only reception that tune would get would be ‘better off on DOYS and Liam should have sung it’. That was my thoughts about 90% of his first solo album though lol. Record Machine went from a big Liam All Around The World style song to a souless bassless Sardy bore fest. And stuff like EOTR were made for Liam imo. Ahh well |
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 24, 2019 11:40:36 GMT -5
The first half of DOYS is a bit overrated on here. It's good, solid, and a lot more purposeful than anything off the last two albums, but it isn't amazing or anywhere near the band's best stuff.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 24, 2019 12:20:33 GMT -5
The more I think about DOYS, the more it perplexes me (that's right... perplexes) that people think so highly of it. The first side is good. The second half is absolutely pathetic. TBWTL is average... everything else on that second side is almost an insult to the name Oasis. High Horse Lady is rubbish. The Nature of reality was written by Andy Bell, so is therefore utter shit. Ain't Got Nothing is horrendous. The fact that the first side is so utterly fantastic, and the second half is so shambolic is just mind-boggling. If they didn't have enough tunes for an album, why did they release one? I think it is nonsense that they 'didn't have time to record the vocals' to certain tracks. They are Oasis. Phone the management and tell them that they needed another month to release the album. I think the democratic nature of the band killed them. Replace Ain't Got Nothing, The Nature of Reality and High Horse Lady with three half decent tracks and you're onto a winner. I said it at the time. Liam not having “time” to record vocals for Come On It’s All Right and Record Machine is complete bullshit. Record Machine was also demoed during DBTT. Surely Liam had a crack at it then. Oasis was at Abbey Road most of November and December 2007. Then they spent a month out in LA in March 2008. Noel claimed Liam left abruptly to go home and get married. What a bunch of bullshit. This is a band that had to pull together a song like Lyla at the last minute and had Liam sing it. Obviously the same could have been done for Come On It’s All Right. Like the previous 3 Oasis albums before it, DOYS is an uneven bag of an album. Nothing changed. Nothing was learned. All the problems still remained. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jun 24, 2019 13:00:38 GMT -5
The first half of DOYS is a bit overrated on here. It's good, solid, and a lot more purposeful than anything off the last two albums, but it isn't amazing or anywhere near the band's best stuff. I dunno... Bag It Up - Ace. Should have been done live and, if nothing else, is a very cool instrumental. Liam sounds good and the lyrics fit. The Turning - Should have been the lead single. Belter. Waiting For The Rapture - Cool tune. Sounds good in this format and also acoustic. Proper stomper. The Shock of The Lightning - Lead single. Cool tune. Chorus could have been done better IMO but a good tune nontheless. I'm Outta Time - Tune. Not my favourite but an absolutely gorgeous piece of music. IMO it is a stronger side A than DBTT, Heathen Chemistry and SOTSOG. Dare I say that it is even stronger than BHN's side A. The fact that it is so strong, and then the second half is so shit is an absolute travesty. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 24, 2019 13:05:00 GMT -5
The first half of DOYS is a bit overrated on here. It's good, solid, and a lot more purposeful than anything off the last two albums, but it isn't amazing or anywhere near the band's best stuff. I dunno... Bag It Up - Ace. Should have been done live and, if nothing else, is a very cool instrumental. Liam sounds good and the lyrics fit. The Turning - Should have been the lead single. Belter. Waiting For The Rapture - Cool tune. Sounds good in this format and also acoustic. Proper stomper. The Shock of The Lightning - Lead single. Cool tune. Chorus could have been done better IMO but a good tune nontheless. I'm Outta Time - Tune. Not my favourite but an absolutely gorgeous piece of music. IMO it is a stronger side A than DBTT, Heathen Chemistry and SOTSOG. Dare I say that it is even stronger than BHN's side A. The fact that it is so strong, and then the second half is so shit is an absolute travesty. Yeah, it's pretty good. I don't dislike it, but I don't think it's anything amazing, or anything that was gonna return the band to relevancy with a better second half, either. |
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Post by MONO on Jun 24, 2019 13:09:36 GMT -5
DOYS is the best post-BHN album. By far. Both sides are great, the only track that is a bit weaker is "High Horse".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 13:19:46 GMT -5
DOYS is the best post-BHN album. By far. Both sides are great, the only track that is a bit weaker is "High Horse". If I never hear the last 4 tracks again I'd be fine with it. The only redeeming quality of those 4 is the LIVE version of 'To Be Where There's Life' is ok, not great mind you. Those 4 as recorded for the album are dreadful. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 24, 2019 13:22:02 GMT -5
I like DOYS as much as I hate Heathen Chemistry. A lot.
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Post by MONO on Jun 24, 2019 13:27:54 GMT -5
The only redeeming quality of those 4 is the LIVE version of 'To Be Where There's Life' is ok, not great mind you. The Richard Fearless Mix of "To Be Where There's Life" is a banger. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 13:28:58 GMT -5
The only redeeming quality of those 4 is the LIVE version of 'To Be Where There's Life' is ok, not great mind you. The Richard Fearless Mix of "To Be Where There's Life" is a banger. I agree, but should we really have to go find a remix to hear a quality version? |
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Post by MONO on Jun 24, 2019 13:31:56 GMT -5
I agree, but should we really have to go find a remix to hear a quality version? That's what I have do with all NGHFB tracks of which remixes are available  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 13:43:01 GMT -5
DOYS is the best post-BHN album. By far. Both sides are great, the only track that is a bit weaker is "High Horse". I think it's even better than BHN. |
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Post by matt on Jun 24, 2019 16:26:19 GMT -5
The first half of DOYS is a bit overrated on here. It's good, solid, and a lot more purposeful than anything off the last two albums, but it isn't amazing or anywhere near the band's best stuff. It’s consistent but I agree that it’s not ‘mindblowing’. |
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Post by supernovadragon on Jun 24, 2019 16:37:38 GMT -5
The first half of DOYS is a bit overrated on here. It's good, solid, and a lot more purposeful than anything off the last two albums, but it isn't amazing or anywhere near the band's best stuff. Agreed: Bag It Up - is ok, decent opening track but that's all it is The Turning - Best of the lot but even then that isn't saying much, dies on it's arse with the outro Waiting for the Rapture - boring snoozefest of a song that wouldn't be out of place on HFB1 Shock Of the Lightning - Great choice for the first single and the drum solo solidifies this choice I'm Outta Time - Not a finished song, not Liam's best vocal or Liam's best song Falling Down - decent enough but wouldn't be out of place with Noel's latest music |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 24, 2019 17:02:33 GMT -5
In my opinion it's undoubtedly the best 5 track run the band had put together since Be Here Now (and to me very possibly better than any run of 5 on that record too). I consider 'Shock of the Lightning' as 'best of' material (as is 'Falling Down') and the other tracks are real good too. 'Bag It Up' is a right stomper of an opener.
Them final 4 tracks get far too much hate for my liking. There's nothing superb but it's underrated stuff.
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Post by oasismashups on Jun 24, 2019 18:11:33 GMT -5
I think it is nonsense that they 'didn't have time to record the vocals' to certain tracks. They are Oasis. Phone the management and tell them that they needed another month to release the album. I agree, it's really strange. Maybe Noel was pissed off at Liam and said "OK Im gonna save these for me now"? I think the democratic nature of the band killed them. Replace Ain't Got Nothing, The Nature of Reality and High Horse Lady with three half decent tracks and you're onto a winner. Come On Outside Boy with the Blues Record Machine Stop The Clocks |
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Post by oasis6 on Jun 24, 2019 18:20:29 GMT -5
This was right after I joined. Great times. I miss it. Or when the Batman villains and the wrestlers came on with fake stuff. Amazing. And that time someone said Record Machine and Come On Outside would be released as like a late standalone single/mini ep in 2009. There was fake artwork done for it and everything. It was Doys-esque with like a roller coaster in space or something. And somehow there was an interview done with Gem and Andy and this forum was to submit questions. Someone even asked if this would be coming out and they of course said no.
Also while we are talking about the DOYS era, really love I Believe in All.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 24, 2019 18:50:15 GMT -5
I think it is nonsense that they 'didn't have time to record the vocals' to certain tracks. They are Oasis. Phone the management and tell them that they needed another month to release the album. I agree, it's really strange. Maybe Noel was pissed off at Liam and said "OK Im gonna save these for me now"? I think the democratic nature of the band killed them. Replace Ain't Got Nothing, The Nature of Reality and High Horse Lady with three half decent tracks and you're onto a winner. Come On Outside Boy with the Blues Record Machine Stop The Clocks It should have been best players on the pitch mentality for Oasis post 2000. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 24, 2019 19:54:58 GMT -5
I agree, it's really strange. Maybe Noel was pissed off at Liam and said "OK Im gonna save these for me now"? Come On Outside Boy with the Blues Record Machine Stop The Clocks It should have been best players on the pitch mentality for Oasis post 2000. If this forum were to put its best members ‘on the pitch’, would I start? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 24, 2019 21:04:46 GMT -5
It should have been best players on the pitch mentality for Oasis post 2000. If this forum were to put its best members ‘on the pitch’, would I start? |
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 25, 2019 18:22:06 GMT -5
I agree, it's really strange. Maybe Noel was pissed off at Liam and said "OK Im gonna save these for me now"? Come On Outside Boy with the Blues Record Machine Stop The Clocks It should have been best players on the pitch mentality for Oasis post 2000. Noel never played his full strength team. Ever |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 25, 2019 19:24:07 GMT -5
It should have been best players on the pitch mentality for Oasis post 2000. Noel never played his full strength team. Ever Trade off, though - uncovering hidden gems made for excellent discovery. |
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