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Post by oasismashups on May 10, 2019 22:22:49 GMT -5
Really liking this one. I also like Noel's High Flying Birds actually being a thing now instead of a just a name for some touring musicians. I don't know why but I like all the people on stage with Noel. Feels like he's really growing into his 'band leader' persona he's got going on now. Hoping to see a show again soon. Agreed. Everyone has a role and doesn't feel like abunch of session players or good friends helping out. Everyone has distinctive talents and are placed in their roles which translate on stage and on record whereas previously it was all Noel plus some friends recording with him. What is Charlotte's role? Play the scissors? That bit on IABW? Backing vocals? He already has Jess. I know Noel loves her but I dont really see the point... |
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Post by bt95 on May 11, 2019 4:23:09 GMT -5
Agreed. Everyone has a role and doesn't feel like abunch of session players or good friends helping out. Everyone has distinctive talents and are placed in their roles which translate on stage and on record whereas previously it was all Noel plus some friends recording with him. What is Charlotte's role? Play the scissors? That bit on IABW? Backing vocals? He already has Jess. I know Noel loves her but I dont really see the point... Like, what does it matter though haha? She looks cool and is a part of the band. It works. There's no problem really is there. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 11, 2019 5:12:58 GMT -5
You need some new material, mate. Try telling that to some Oasis fans with their music collection. The psychiatrist Robin Skynner observed that when people can’t control their own emotions they try to control other people’s behaviour. If some Oasis fans wanna listen to the same old things all the time, instead of trying sommat new and possibly being exposed to different ideas and experiences that they could apply to their own lives, then that’s on them. It’s nowt to do with me, and it’s nowt to do with you. We can’t make their music tastes more eclectic for them, and they don’t wanna do it for themselves: therefore, the obvious conclusion is to just leave them be. Hectoring them, throwing around all these lazy stereotypes about white British men who voted Brexit, etc., will get us nowhere. |
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Post by matt on May 11, 2019 6:10:13 GMT -5
Try telling that to some Oasis fans with their music collection. The psychiatrist Robin Skynner observed that when people can’t control their own emotions they try to control other people’s behaviour. If some Oasis fans wanna listen to the same old things all the time, instead of trying sommat new and possibly being exposed to different ideas and experiences that they could apply to their own lives, then that’s on them. It’s nowt to do with me, and it’s nowt to do with you. We can’t make their music tastes more eclectic for them, and they don’t wanna do it for themselves: therefore, the obvious conclusion is to just leave them be. Hectoring them, throwing around all these lazy stereotypes about white British men who voted Brexit, etc., will get us nowhere. Oh come on, it’s just a flippant comment about conservativism, no need to go all psychological profiler on an Oasis forum comment (I’ll admit his public persona and laughable political positioning doesn’t help my opinion of him and his music). And it is not just merely about being ‘conservative’ or ‘traditional’ (Liam’s debut is conservative and traditional but backed by quality - an album I’ve always backed on here). It is about being exposed to the same old tired retreads since the 1990s. When we talk of Noel’s traditional style, we’re never referencing his work after Be Here Now. He hasn’t written classics since then, and he’s been largely mediocre. He’s not even playing it ‘safe’ - because that indicates a level of quality that isn’t there. Take his first solo album which has aged badly in my opinion, even up against Liam’s who, while traditional, the song quality is just better. Worrying when industry songwriters are serving him better than if he sang that first HFB album. Outside of Who Built The Moon, we’ve had two decades of the same kind of tune over and over again. It’s tedious music to the extreme. So many fans could be forgiven for wanting something drastically different. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 11, 2019 18:01:38 GMT -5
The psychiatrist Robin Skynner observed that when people can’t control their own emotions they try to control other people’s behaviour. If some Oasis fans wanna listen to the same old things all the time, instead of trying sommat new and possibly being exposed to different ideas and experiences that they could apply to their own lives, then that’s on them. It’s nowt to do with me, and it’s nowt to do with you. We can’t make their music tastes more eclectic for them, and they don’t wanna do it for themselves: therefore, the obvious conclusion is to just leave them be. Hectoring them, throwing around all these lazy stereotypes about white British men who voted Brexit, etc., will get us nowhere. Oh come on, it’s just a flippant comment about conservativism, no need to go all psychological profiler on an Oasis forum comment (I’ll admit his public persona and laughable political positioning doesn’t help my opinion of him and his music). And it is not just merely about being ‘conservative’ or ‘traditional’ ( Liam’s debut is conservative and traditional but backed by quality - an album I’ve always backed on here). It is about being exposed to the same old tired retreads since the 1990s. When we talk of Noel’s traditional style, we’re never referencing his work after Be Here Now. He hasn’t written classics since then, and he’s been largely mediocre. He’s not even playing it ‘safe’ - because that indicates a level of quality that isn’t there. Take his first solo album which has aged badly in my opinion, even up against Liam’s who, while traditional, the song quality is just better. Worrying when industry songwriters are serving him better than if he sang that first HFB album. Outside of Who Built The Moon, we’ve had two decades of the same kind of tune over and over again. It’s tedious music to the extreme. So many fans could be forgiven for wanting something drastically different. I prefer BDI, at least BDI had an edge, AYW is commercial, cheesy crap......'White Smoke' is the best thing Líam's done post Oasís. Thanks. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 11, 2019 18:46:29 GMT -5
Oh come on, it’s just a flippant comment about conservativism, no need to go all psychological profiler on an Oasis forum comment (I’ll admit his public persona and laughable political positioning doesn’t help my opinion of him and his music). And it is not just merely about being ‘conservative’ or ‘traditional’ ( Liam’s debut is conservative and traditional but backed by quality - an album I’ve always backed on here). It is about being exposed to the same old tired retreads since the 1990s. When we talk of Noel’s traditional style, we’re never referencing his work after Be Here Now. He hasn’t written classics since then, and he’s been largely mediocre. He’s not even playing it ‘safe’ - because that indicates a level of quality that isn’t there. Take his first solo album which has aged badly in my opinion, even up against Liam’s who, while traditional, the song quality is just better. Worrying when industry songwriters are serving him better than if he sang that first HFB album. Outside of Who Built The Moon, we’ve had two decades of the same kind of tune over and over again. It’s tedious music to the extreme. So many fans could be forgiven for wanting something drastically different. I prefer BDI, at least BDI had an edge, AYW is commercial, cheesy crap......'White Smoke' is the best thing Líam's done post Oasís. Thanks. Furthermore, you stick Líam's name over BDI and it sells just as well...he's a brand, there's virtually no difference in the quality of bongs - Greedy Soul? That could be on a BDI album....the only difference is a couple of cheesy singles for Líam's sölo album. Thanks. |
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Post by matt on May 11, 2019 18:48:55 GMT -5
Oh come on, it’s just a flippant comment about conservativism, no need to go all psychological profiler on an Oasis forum comment (I’ll admit his public persona and laughable political positioning doesn’t help my opinion of him and his music). And it is not just merely about being ‘conservative’ or ‘traditional’ ( Liam’s debut is conservative and traditional but backed by quality - an album I’ve always backed on here). It is about being exposed to the same old tired retreads since the 1990s. When we talk of Noel’s traditional style, we’re never referencing his work after Be Here Now. He hasn’t written classics since then, and he’s been largely mediocre. He’s not even playing it ‘safe’ - because that indicates a level of quality that isn’t there. Take his first solo album which has aged badly in my opinion, even up against Liam’s who, while traditional, the song quality is just better. Worrying when industry songwriters are serving him better than if he sang that first HFB album. Outside of Who Built The Moon, we’ve had two decades of the same kind of tune over and over again. It’s tedious music to the extreme. So many fans could be forgiven for wanting something drastically different. I prefer BDI, at least BDI had an edge, AYW is commercial, cheesy crap......'White Smoke' is the best thing Líam's done post Oasís. Thanks. It’s definitely commercial and For What Its Worth is just awful - a song that the industry songwriters accidently gave to Liam instead of Adele or Robbie, but I like the rest of the album, even the Beatlesy stuff like Paper Crown. I simply think the professional songwriters know their way around a tune unlike Beady Eye. It’s night and day in terms of talent working with Liam now - I mean, Greg Kurstin has a background in jazz musicianship and has worked with Paul McCartney, while Beady Eye had, erm, the Heavy Stereo frontman writing songs. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 11, 2019 19:06:06 GMT -5
I prefer BDI, at least BDI had an edge, AYW is commercial, cheesy crap......'White Smoke' is the best thing Líam's done post Oasís. Thanks. It’s definitely commercial and For What Its Worth is just awful - a song that the industry songwriters accidently gave to Liam instead of Adele or Robbie, but I like the rest of the album, even the Beatlesy stuff like Paper Crown. I simply think the professional songwriters know their way around a tune unlike Beady Eye. It’s night and day in terms of talent working with Liam now - I mean, Greg Kurstin has a background in jazz musicianship and has worked with Paul McCartney, while Beady Eye had, erm, the Heavy Stereo frontman writing songs. I only hope Líam's second solo album is drastically different to the first, which I doubt will happen, since having the same cheesy songwriters.... Líam: work with people who don't party for the dollar.... Thanks. |
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Post by matt on May 11, 2019 19:09:09 GMT -5
It’s definitely commercial and For What Its Worth is just awful - a song that the industry songwriters accidently gave to Liam instead of Adele or Robbie, but I like the rest of the album, even the Beatlesy stuff like Paper Crown. I simply think the professional songwriters know their way around a tune unlike Beady Eye. It’s night and day in terms of talent working with Liam now - I mean, Greg Kurstin has a background in jazz musicianship and has worked with Paul McCartney, while Beady Eye had, erm, the Heavy Stereo frontman writing songs. I only hope Líam's second solo album is drastically different to the first, which I doubt will happen, since having the same cheesy songwriters.... Líam: work with people who don't party for the dollar.... Thanks. I agree, I hope it’s full on rock. That’s what his voice is for (not pseudo-John Lennon ballads). |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 19:09:45 GMT -5
I prefer BDI, at least BDI had an edge, AYW is commercial, cheesy crap......'White Smoke' is the best thing Líam's done post Oasís. Thanks. It’s definitely commercial and For What Its Worth is just awful - a song that the industry songwriters accidently gave to Liam instead of Adele or Robbie, but I like the rest of the album, even the Beatlesy stuff like Paper Crown. I simply think the professional songwriters know their way around a tune unlike Beady Eye. It’s night and day in terms of talent working with Liam now - I mean, Greg Kurstin has a background in jazz musicianship and has worked with Paul McCartney, while Beady Eye had, erm, the Heavy Stereo frontman writing songs. Come on Matt, Four Letter Word, The Roller, The Morning Son, In A Bubble, Wigwam, Back After The Break, Off At The Next Exit were all solid tunes. You can't deny that. Of course Beady Eye didn't have Lennon and McCartney penning their tunes, but some people make it sound as if nothing they did was any good. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 11, 2019 19:17:32 GMT -5
It’s definitely commercial and For What Its Worth is just awful - a song that the industry songwriters accidently gave to Liam instead of Adele or Robbie, but I like the rest of the album, even the Beatlesy stuff like Paper Crown. I simply think the professional songwriters know their way around a tune unlike Beady Eye. It’s night and day in terms of talent working with Liam now - I mean, Greg Kurstin has a background in jazz musicianship and has worked with Paul McCartney, while Beady Eye had, erm, the Heavy Stereo frontman writing songs. Come on Matt, Four Letter Word, The Roller, The Morning Son, In A Bubble, Wigwam, Back After The Break, Off At The Next Exit were all solid tunes. You can't deny that. Of course Beady Eye didn't have Lennon and McCartney penning their tunes, but some people make it sound as if nothing they did was any good. Great song, better than anything on AYW. Thanks. |
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Post by matt on May 11, 2019 19:19:09 GMT -5
It’s definitely commercial and For What Its Worth is just awful - a song that the industry songwriters accidently gave to Liam instead of Adele or Robbie, but I like the rest of the album, even the Beatlesy stuff like Paper Crown. I simply think the professional songwriters know their way around a tune unlike Beady Eye. It’s night and day in terms of talent working with Liam now - I mean, Greg Kurstin has a background in jazz musicianship and has worked with Paul McCartney, while Beady Eye had, erm, the Heavy Stereo frontman writing songs. Come on Matt, Four Letter Word, The Roller, The Morning Son, In A Bubble, Wigwam, Back After The Break, Off At The Next Exit were all solid tunes. You can't deny that. Of course Beady Eye didn't have Lennon and McCartney penning their tunes, but some people make it sound as if nothing they did was any good. I don’t think everything was outright bad - a few of the tunes you mention there are listenable and pleasant - Four Letter Word is fine and In A Bubble is pleasant (and even World Outside My Room) but songs like Wigwam... they just seem like they’re trying to reach for something epic but comes up so short. Other things like Morning Son has a pleasant melody but just drags on too much which could be said for so many of their songs. Unfortunately, a smattering of shockingly bad songs really weigh both albums down. But aside from Flick of the Finger, nothing wowed me or surprised me. They should have done a New Order but they sounded exactly as we thought they’d be - Oasis without Noel. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 19:23:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, a smattering of shockingly bad songs really weigh both albums down. ...and the exact same thing can be said about any Oasis album recorded after Be Here Now. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 11, 2019 19:37:54 GMT -5
Agreed. Everyone has a role and doesn't feel like abunch of session players or good friends helping out. Everyone has distinctive talents and are placed in their roles which translate on stage and on record whereas previously it was all Noel plus some friends recording with him. What is Charlotte's role? Play the scissors? That bit on IABW? Backing vocals? He already has Jess. I know Noel loves her but I dont really see the point... She's the fucking vibe, man. And I have to agree with matt on Beady Eye. I don't even return to Flick of the Finger these days. As You Were undoubtedly has one eye on being a unit-shifter, but aside from a couple of songs it mostly does that by having well-written tunes and a modern, if not edgy, sound. |
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Post by glider on May 11, 2019 20:05:25 GMT -5
In regards to BE, these are my tiers:
Tier 1:
Soul Love Don't Brother Me (give the song a listen again, especially the outro) Star Anew Off At The Next Exit Back After The Break Evil Eye
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Flick of The Finger Ballroom Figured
Soon Come Tomorrow I'm Just Saying The World's Not Set In Stone
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Face The Crowd Second Bite Of The Apple Iz Rite (I like this one but can acknowledge it isn't good) Shine A Light
Dreaming of Some Space (Start Anew reverse, inconsequential) Girls In Uniform
The whole collection of tracks from that time is a giant mixed bag - some great ones, a good portion of meh, and a handful of bland.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 11, 2019 20:14:28 GMT -5
It’s amazing. Beady Eye have been broken up longer than they were together.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 11, 2019 20:18:16 GMT -5
Let's not forget, Heathen Chemistry was celebrated until Don't Believe The Truth was released....and, so on....
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 11, 2019 20:53:13 GMT -5
Let's not forget, Heathen Chemistry was celebrated until Don't Believe The Truth was released....and, so on.... Thanks. What was the line reviewers kept repeating over and over since 2001? “Oasis returns to form” or something like that. |
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Post by spaneli on May 12, 2019 2:18:25 GMT -5
Most of Beady Eye's songs were, "I wish they went past point A on that idea." However, it's a massive disservice to act as if they only produced drivel.
Flick of the Finger
Soul Love
Four Letter Word
World Outside My Room
Second Bite of the Apple (which though much maligned, has one of the best endings of any Gallagher-project)
Iz Rite
Off at the Next Exit
Would have all been album highlights on any Oasis album.
EDIT: FWIW, I do very very very much love the ending to Wigwam.
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Post by LlAM on May 12, 2019 3:20:30 GMT -5
It’s definitely commercial and For What Its Worth is just awful - a song that the industry songwriters accidently gave to Liam instead of Adele or Robbie, but I like the rest of the album, even the Beatlesy stuff like Paper Crown. I simply think the professional songwriters know their way around a tune unlike Beady Eye. It’s night and day in terms of talent working with Liam now - I mean, Greg Kurstin has a background in jazz musicianship and has worked with Paul McCartney, while Beady Eye had, erm, the Heavy Stereo frontman writing songs. .... Líam: work with people who don't party for the dollar.... Thanks. I doubt any record label would've invested in Liam unless there were people involved who only party for the dollar... Just look at BDI's commercial success and put yourself in a record labels shoes... Just sayin' |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 3:43:53 GMT -5
It’s amazing. Beady Eye have been broken up longer than they were together. and amazingly even in a thread about Noel's new song people rather discuss Beady Eye  |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 6:09:28 GMT -5
Most of Beady Eye's songs were, "I wish they went past point A on that idea." However, it's a massive disservice to act as if they only produced drivel. Flick of the Finger Soul Love Four Letter Word World Outside My Room Second Bite of the Apple (which though much maligned, has one of the best endings of any Gallagher-project) Iz Rite Off at the Next Exit Would have all been album highlights on any Oasis album. EDIT: FWIW, I do very very very much love the ending to Wigwam. If Four Letter Word was on an Oasis setlist it would have blown the roof off. Immense song wasted by amateur promo with Beady Eye. Shame. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 12, 2019 6:11:54 GMT -5
.... Líam: work with people who don't party for the dollar.... Thanks. I doubt any record label would've invested in Liam unless there were people involved who only party for the dollar... Just look at BDI's commercial success and put yourself in a record labels shoes... Just sayin' I’d say three of Liam’s own songs are among the best on his record. Just sayin’ |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 6:14:27 GMT -5
I’d say three of Liam’s own songs are among the best on his record. Just sayin’ *Are easily the best |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 12, 2019 7:00:18 GMT -5
Most of Beady Eye's songs were, "I wish they went past point A on that idea." However, it's a massive disservice to act as if they only produced drivel. Flick of the Finger Soul Love Four Letter Word World Outside My Room Second Bite of the Apple (which though much maligned, has one of the best endings of any Gallagher-project) Iz Rite Off at the Next Exit Would have all been album highlights on any Oasis album. EDIT: FWIW, I do very very very much love the ending to Wigwam. If Four Letter Word was on an Oasis setlist it would have blown the roof off. Immense song wasted by amateur promo with Beady Eye. Shame. Should have been the first thing we ever heard from the band. Set the tone or illusion they were a wrecking force. |
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