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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 7, 2018 18:47:55 GMT -5
The Golden Generation came across big teams in both the World Cup and the Euros, but they were a much better squad than this current generation, but... WE'RE NOW INTO THE SEMI-FINAL OF THE WORLD CUP. You do realise the ‘Golden Generation’ (emphasis on the quotation marks) is an ironic name for them? A bunch of egotistical diva c*nts whose epic failures were deserved and hilarious. Of course I do. But the players we had were stacked with quality. I’m sorry, but the likes of Owen, Rooney, Beckham, Gerard, Lampard, Rio, Neville, John Terry, Scholes, etc etc, were WAY better than our current squad. I also liked Sven and he did very well in the 2002 World Cup in all fairness.
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Post by matt on Jul 7, 2018 18:52:23 GMT -5
I judge England teams on a squad basis, not which country I come from and I am genuinely pleased for Southgate, and I see many many Scottish commentators echoeing the same.
Southgate especially is an embodiment of what England as a nation should be - thoughtful, intelligent, dignified and empathetic. He talked in an interview about how the squads mutlicultural makeup is the symbol of what England can do without division and he’s right. He represents the progressive England as it should be, and it’s great to hear because that will really stick in the throats of the Brexiteers and Trump supporting idiots.
As leading public figures go in England, he’s the only worthy one, and should just be made Prime Minister now.
As for Scotland’s contribution to this World Cup, well England’s set piece coach is one Allan Russell from Glasgow who played for Hibs and St Mirren a few years back. 8 out of 11 England goals have come from set pieces.... I eagerly await the ceremonial bus ride through George Square in Glasgow.
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Post by matt on Jul 7, 2018 18:57:15 GMT -5
You do realise the ‘Golden Generation’ (emphasis on the quotation marks) is an ironic name for them? A bunch of egotistical diva c*nts whose epic failures were deserved and hilarious. Of course I do. But the players we had were stacked with quality. I’m sorry, but the likes of Owen, Rooney, Beckham, Gerard, Lampard, Rio, Neville, John Terry, Scholes, etc etc, were WAY better than our current squad. I also liked Sven and he did very well in the 2002 World Cup in all fairness. Individually better yes, but will remain a mere footnote in English footballing history. The team of 1990, although not packed with as much talent as 2006, is still revered today in England. That sorry lot from over ten years ago are forgotten and Sven only ever got ‘par for the course’ from them. A better manager would have allowed a bit more creative freedom in that team (see Rio Ferdinands recent complaint that he was never allowed to bring the ball out of defence, only ever ordered to lump it long), would have found a place for Scholes rather than trying to shoehorn Gerrard/Lampard in and would never have pathetically sucked up to Beckham, who was always shite at every tournament he ever played in.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 7, 2018 19:21:55 GMT -5
Serious question, which is harder:
Arsenal beating Man City in the Semi-Final, and then beating Chelsea in the Final of the FA Cup, as Arsenal did in 2017
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England being Croatia in the Semi-Final, and then beating France/Belgium in the Final of the World Cup?
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 7, 2018 20:00:51 GMT -5
As a rule I fuckin hate football but to see England get through to the semi finals I'm proper buzzing
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Post by mancraider on Jul 7, 2018 20:03:22 GMT -5
You do realise the ‘Golden Generation’ (emphasis on the quotation marks) is an ironic name for them? A bunch of egotistical diva c*nts whose epic failures were deserved and hilarious. Of course I do. But the players we had were stacked with quality. I’m sorry, but the likes of Owen, Rooney, Beckham, Gerard, Lampard, Rio, Neville, John Terry, Scholes, etc etc, were WAY better than our current squad. I also liked Sven and he did very well in the 2002 World Cup in all fairness. a team is more than a collection of individuals though. Too many of those players were too caught up in there own ego to make that England the team they could have been. Never has a bunch of such unlikeable characters been put on a football field together. I was a big England fan prior to the 'golden generation' but ended up hating my national team. This current lot are making me enjoy it again.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 8, 2018 2:35:42 GMT -5
The Golden Generation came across big teams in both the World Cup and the Euros, but they were a much better squad than this current generation, but... WE'RE NOW INTO THE SEMI-FINAL OF THE WORLD CUP. You do realise the ‘Golden Generation’ (emphasis on the quotation marks) is an ironic name for them? A bunch of egotistical diva c*nts whose epic failures were deserved and hilarious. I don't know any of those players personally, but apart from Terry and perhaps Cole and Campbell(simply because of their deceitful transfer moves), how many other "diva c*nts" were there really in that squad? Edit: For some reason, "vaginas" ended up as "vaginas", no matter what I do. C*unts it is, then.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 8, 2018 3:18:59 GMT -5
You do realise the ‘Golden Generation’ (emphasis on the quotation marks) is an ironic name for them? A bunch of egotistical diva c*nts whose epic failures were deserved and hilarious. I don't know any of those players personally, but apart from Terry and perhaps Cole and Campbell(simply because of their deceitful transfer moves), how many other "diva c*nts" were there really in that squad? Edit: For some reason, "vaginas" ended up as "vaginas", no matter what I do. C*unts it is, then. The real problem was the club rivalries divisions, the dressing room was riven with them and they suffered on the pitch for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 5:08:41 GMT -5
These lads are a lot more likeable than past squads. Maybe its because there are more northerners 😂 Harry Kane is brilliant though and a top guy. Proud to have him as captain.
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Jul 8, 2018 6:37:23 GMT -5
My order in McDonald’s last night, it’s coming home ffs 😔
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 8, 2018 6:39:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 8:03:50 GMT -5
"English are so arrogant thinking they can beat this opponent. They are in for a surprise."
England beat opponent
"Another easy game for England. Wait till they play someone better"
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 8, 2018 11:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 15:51:42 GMT -5
If we beat you on Saturday, I will be absolutely unbearable. you ok bro?
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Post by funhouse on Jul 8, 2018 16:04:15 GMT -5
If we beat you on Saturday, I will be absolutely unbearable. you ok bro? Being unbearable usually makes you hate yourself in the end, but I wouldn't have minded having spent yesterday being that person of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 16:34:40 GMT -5
The bad thing about England is we have chavs who come out when the football is on and act like vaginas by jumping on ambulances and wrecking stores.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 9, 2018 16:40:06 GMT -5
Croatia will be tough. It'a a toss up for me but whatever happens I hope this is the change England fans have been waiting for going forward.
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Post by matt on Jul 9, 2018 17:04:29 GMT -5
These lads are a lot more likeable than past squads. Maybe its because there are more northerners 😂 Harry Kane is brilliant though and a top guy. Proud to have him as captain. A lot of these players have really had to take the hard route to the top, even your players like Henderson who play for Liverpool, he rose from unglamorous Sunderland and had to prove himself at Liverpool as Rodgers was about to sell him to relegation favourites Fulham. Vardys story is well known but even the likes of Pickford played at Preston a couple of years ago and incredibly Harry Kane - arguably the only world class player in England - was never seen as a ‘boy wonder’ in the mould of Owen or Rooney. He himself had to prove it the hard way being loaned out to championship clubs. The lower league experience of many of them has given them a resilience and battle hardened edge. They know what it’s like to fight for their professional careers and not play with security unlike, say, the pampered ‘Golden Generation’ who mostly all received an embarrassment of riches at the big clubs from day one because their natural talent was so evident. Although technically far superior, the ‘Golden Generation’ never had to prove themselves like this current England squad, who many have gone through tough character building experiences. It says a lot - natural talent is not everything, instead mentality and the commitment to improving is far more important. As a result, we can see the differences in the two England teams. One was an incredibly gifted but insular, over privileged, pampered egotistical squad confident in their own individual abilities so much so that the arrogance inhibited team play due to lack of concern for fellow squad players. The other is one that may not be so talented but based on humility, modesty and hard work out of which they are constantly proving themselves individually and striving to work for each other. Whatever happens from this point on, one England squad will be remembered very fondly for decades to come while the other will never be worth a seconds thought. And it won’t be the talented squad that people remember.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 9, 2018 18:34:36 GMT -5
These lads are a lot more likeable than past squads. Maybe its because there are more northerners 😂 Harry Kane is brilliant though and a top guy. Proud to have him as captain. A lot of these players have really had to take the hard route to the top, even your players like Henderson who play for Liverpool, he rose from unglamorous Sunderland and had to prove himself at Liverpool as Rodgers was about to sell him to relegation favourites Fulham. Vardys story is well known but even the likes of Pickford played at Preston a couple of years ago and incredibly Harry Kane - arguably the only world class player in England - was never seen as a ‘boy wonder’ in the mould of Owen or Rooney. He himself had to prove it the hard way being loaned out to championship clubs. The lower league experience of many of them has given them a resilience and battle hardened edge. They know what it’s like to fight for their professional careers and not play with security unlike, say, the pampered ‘Golden Generation’ who mostly all received an embarrassment of riches at the big clubs from day one because their natural talent was so evident. Although technically far superior, the ‘Golden Generation’ never had to prove themselves like this current England squad, who many have gone through tough character building experiences. It says a lot - natural talent is not everything, instead mentality and the commitment to improving is far more important. As a result, we can see the differences in the two England teams. One was an incredibly gifted but insular, over privileged, pampered egotistical squad confident in their own individual abilities so much so that the arrogance inhibited team play due to lack of concern for fellow squad players. The other is one that may not be so talented but based on humility, modesty and hard work out of which they are constantly proving themselves individually and striving to work for each other. Whatever happens from this point on, one England squad will be remembered very fondly for decades to come while the other will never be worth a seconds thought. And it won’t be the talented squad that people remember. thats all well and good, but to me, it shows the overall weakness of the squad. its not like these players, fought hard to get where theyre at, and now theyre the best around. theyre still just average players...most of them anyway. the fact youre in the semi-final has more to do with the road you travelled to get there, rather than any actual 'improvement' in the squad. croatia are another bogey team for england, but you got past sweden, so anything can happen...
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 9, 2018 18:43:02 GMT -5
A lot of these players have really had to take the hard route to the top, even your players like Henderson who play for Liverpool, he rose from unglamorous Sunderland and had to prove himself at Liverpool as Rodgers was about to sell him to relegation favourites Fulham. Vardys story is well known but even the likes of Pickford played at Preston a couple of years ago and incredibly Harry Kane - arguably the only world class player in England - was never seen as a ‘boy wonder’ in the mould of Owen or Rooney. He himself had to prove it the hard way being loaned out to championship clubs. The lower league experience of many of them has given them a resilience and battle hardened edge. They know what it’s like to fight for their professional careers and not play with security unlike, say, the pampered ‘Golden Generation’ who mostly all received an embarrassment of riches at the big clubs from day one because their natural talent was so evident. Although technically far superior, the ‘Golden Generation’ never had to prove themselves like this current England squad, who many have gone through tough character building experiences. It says a lot - natural talent is not everything, instead mentality and the commitment to improving is far more important. As a result, we can see the differences in the two England teams. One was an incredibly gifted but insular, over privileged, pampered egotistical squad confident in their own individual abilities so much so that the arrogance inhibited team play due to lack of concern for fellow squad players. The other is one that may not be so talented but based on humility, modesty and hard work out of which they are constantly proving themselves individually and striving to work for each other. Whatever happens from this point on, one England squad will be remembered very fondly for decades to come while the other will never be worth a seconds thought. And it won’t be the talented squad that people remember. thats all well and good, but to me, it shows the overall weakness of the squad. its not like these players, fought hard to get where theyre at, and now theyre the best around. theyre still just average players...most of them anyway. the fact youre in the semi-final has more to do with the road you travelled to get there, rather than any actual 'improvement' in the squad. croatia are another bogey team for england, but you got past sweden, so anything can happen... If you think there has been no improvement in the way England play then you haven't seen much of them over the last couple of years. The movement towards possession football and playing out from the back is striking. Still lots of problems in our team, lots of things to work on but its a very different England.
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Post by matt on Jul 9, 2018 19:18:04 GMT -5
A lot of these players have really had to take the hard route to the top, even your players like Henderson who play for Liverpool, he rose from unglamorous Sunderland and had to prove himself at Liverpool as Rodgers was about to sell him to relegation favourites Fulham. Vardys story is well known but even the likes of Pickford played at Preston a couple of years ago and incredibly Harry Kane - arguably the only world class player in England - was never seen as a ‘boy wonder’ in the mould of Owen or Rooney. He himself had to prove it the hard way being loaned out to championship clubs. The lower league experience of many of them has given them a resilience and battle hardened edge. They know what it’s like to fight for their professional careers and not play with security unlike, say, the pampered ‘Golden Generation’ who mostly all received an embarrassment of riches at the big clubs from day one because their natural talent was so evident. Although technically far superior, the ‘Golden Generation’ never had to prove themselves like this current England squad, who many have gone through tough character building experiences. It says a lot - natural talent is not everything, instead mentality and the commitment to improving is far more important. As a result, we can see the differences in the two England teams. One was an incredibly gifted but insular, over privileged, pampered egotistical squad confident in their own individual abilities so much so that the arrogance inhibited team play due to lack of concern for fellow squad players. The other is one that may not be so talented but based on humility, modesty and hard work out of which they are constantly proving themselves individually and striving to work for each other. Whatever happens from this point on, one England squad will be remembered very fondly for decades to come while the other will never be worth a seconds thought. And it won’t be the talented squad that people remember. thats all well and good, but to me, it shows the overall weakness of the squad. its not like these players, fought hard to get where theyre at, and now theyre the best around. theyre still just average players...most of them anyway. the fact youre in the semi-final has more to do with the road you travelled to get there, rather than any actual 'improvement' in the squad. croatia are another bogey team for england, but you got past sweden, so anything can happen... ‘You’ got passed Sweden? You? Fucking hell mate, I’m Scottish.... I stood around mates in a pub on Saturday blaring out Three Lions, so much so that an Italian guy came up to me and thought I was Swedish since I wasn’t joining in (I wasn’t disgruntled, I thought fair play and was just naturally detached). But I’ve watched plenty of Euros and World Cups to know this England side is vastly different. Compared to previous England squads, yes of course many of them have fought to get to this stage - read up on some of their bios. And you might think they’re ‘average’ and fine, nobodies disputing that, but my point wasn’t that they were great players anyway so not sure what you’re getting at here... The point is that a very good team doesn’t have to be built off very good players. This isn’t nearly the best England squad but it is their best team in a long while.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 10, 2018 0:05:17 GMT -5
thats all well and good, but to me, it shows the overall weakness of the squad. its not like these players, fought hard to get where theyre at, and now theyre the best around. theyre still just average players...most of them anyway. the fact youre in the semi-final has more to do with the road you travelled to get there, rather than any actual 'improvement' in the squad. croatia are another bogey team for england, but you got past sweden, so anything can happen... If you think there has been no improvement in the way England play then you haven't seen much of them over the last couple of years. The movement towards possession football and playing out from the back is striking. Still lots of problems in our team, lots of things to work on but its a very different England. we see the game differently i think. i have watched england over the last 25 years and even at this tournament, theyre still playing the same old boring, predictable, long-ball/crosses that they always have. when they do try and play proper football, it makes them look even worse than they are. if there has been improvement, its insubstantial...
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 10, 2018 0:07:58 GMT -5
thats all well and good, but to me, it shows the overall weakness of the squad. its not like these players, fought hard to get where theyre at, and now theyre the best around. theyre still just average players...most of them anyway. the fact youre in the semi-final has more to do with the road you travelled to get there, rather than any actual 'improvement' in the squad. croatia are another bogey team for england, but you got past sweden, so anything can happen... ‘You’ got passed Sweden? You? Fucking hell mate, I’m Scottish.... I stood around mates in a pub on Saturday blaring out Three Lions, so much so that an Italian guy came up to me and thought I was Swedish since I wasn’t joining in (I wasn’t disgruntled, I thought fair play and was just naturally detached). But I’ve watched plenty of Euros and World Cups to know this England side is vastly different. Compared to previous England squads, yes of course many of them have fought to get to this stage - read up on some of their bios. And you might think they’re ‘average’ and fine, nobodies disputing that, but my point wasn’t that they were great players anyway so not sure what you’re getting at here... The point is that a very good team doesn’t have to be built off very good players. This isn’t nearly the best England squad but it is their best team in a long while. sorry about that...but arent you guys all the same anyway? i get your point about a good team not needing to be full of good players, but my point was that this current squad isnt a good team. theyre average at best. making the semi's has little to do with how 'good' the team is and alot to do with who theyve had to play. just my opinions obviously...
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 10, 2018 2:04:12 GMT -5
If you think there has been no improvement in the way England play then you haven't seen much of them over the last couple of years. The movement towards possession football and playing out from the back is striking. Still lots of problems in our team, lots of things to work on but its a very different England. we see the game differently i think. i have watched england over the last 25 years and even at this tournament, theyre still playing the same old boring, predictable, long-ball/crosses that they always have. when they do try and play proper football, it makes them look even worse than they are. if there has been improvement, its insubstantial... Utter nonsense. You haven't been watching at all or you are consumed by your own bias. England have been cutting the long ball stuff right down, we have been playing from the back on the floor for the first time I remember. Playing long ball football is not the same as crossing. Southgate has actively been trying to change the style since he took over, its starting to take shape.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 10, 2018 2:12:32 GMT -5
‘You’ got passed Sweden? You? Fucking hell mate, I’m Scottish.... I stood around mates in a pub on Saturday blaring out Three Lions, so much so that an Italian guy came up to me and thought I was Swedish since I wasn’t joining in (I wasn’t disgruntled, I thought fair play and was just naturally detached). But I’ve watched plenty of Euros and World Cups to know this England side is vastly different. Compared to previous England squads, yes of course many of them have fought to get to this stage - read up on some of their bios. And you might think they’re ‘average’ and fine, nobodies disputing that, but my point wasn’t that they were great players anyway so not sure what you’re getting at here... The point is that a very good team doesn’t have to be built off very good players. This isn’t nearly the best England squad but it is their best team in a long while. sorry about that...but arent you guys all the same anyway? i get your point about a good team not needing to be full of good players, but my point was that this current squad isnt a good team. theyre average at best. making the semi's has little to do with how 'good' the team is and alot to do with who theyve had to play. just my opinions obviously... I think you said Sweden making the final would be the most logical outcome...
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