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Post by thuperthonic on Jun 6, 2024 17:39:28 GMT -5
You can join to watch it here noelgallagher.os.fan/"I consent to Noel Gallagher sending me marketing communications by email." Man, the guy must be pretty busy sending all those emails himself Yesterday I got a text from Jimmy Kimmel. These guys really work hard. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 7, 2024 2:44:02 GMT -5
You can join to watch it here noelgallagher.os.fan/"I consent to Noel Gallagher sending me marketing communications by email." Man, the guy must be pretty busy sending all those emails himself Yesterday I got a text from Jimmy Kimmel. These guys really work hard. Right ? But i read Kimmel is an alien lizard or something, so he doesnt need to sleep.  |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 7, 2024 4:09:13 GMT -5
Anyone watch the first part ? That's it right there why Noel cant progress. He's surrounded by Yes Men and Women who are here to reassure him, not challenge him.
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Post by morning_rain on Jun 7, 2024 4:37:26 GMT -5
Anyone watch the first part ? That's it right there why Noel cant progress. He's surrounded by Yes Men and Women who are here to reassure him, not challenge him. Came here to say the same thing. I enjoyed part one because I love watching people I admire working in the studio. But everytime he thinks out loud to himself there's a guy around smiling at him and saying something like "yeah, totally  " |
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Post by Thomas on Jun 7, 2024 7:18:28 GMT -5
Anyone watch the first part ? That's it right there why Noel cant progress. He's surrounded by Yes Men and Women who are here to reassure him, not challenge him. Couldn't agree more. And having worked as a sound technician/music producer, I can't help but think the fact he's doing it on his own studio now makes a change in mindset even more of a challenge – it's perfectly normal, you get used to a certain kind of setting, way of working, reaction and such, and people that come over will see that place as 'your place', if that makes sense. Not that Marinho, Danvers or the Stacey brothers are not professionals aiming and playing for the best, but when it's the same people doing similar things with similar songs... it tends to always go down the same route. Noel needs David Holmes, either literally or metaphorically. Someone able to take him out of his comfort zone in many different ways at once. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 7, 2024 9:01:35 GMT -5
Anyone watch the first part ? That's it right there why Noel cant progress. He's surrounded by Yes Men and Women who are here to reassure him, not challenge him. Couldn't agree more. And having worked as a sound technician/music producer, I can't help but think the fact he's doing it on his own studio now makes a change in mindset even more of a challenge – it's perfectly normal, you get used to a certain kind of setting, way of working, reaction and such, and people that come over will see that place as 'your place', if that makes sense. Not that Marinho, Danvers or the Stacey brothers are not professionals aiming and playing for the best, but when it's the same people doing similar things with similar songs... it tends to always go down the same route. Noel needs David Holmes, either literally or metaphorically. Someone able to take him out of his comfort zone in many different ways at once. Totally. The Stacey brothers have done some good work in the past, on SOTOSG, on his first solo album, and Strangeboy could even come with him somewhere else, but he needs a new setting. Seeing him in that chair like a scared school boy felt strange. Its like his confidence has vanished. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jun 7, 2024 9:52:45 GMT -5
Anyone watch the first part ? That's it right there why Noel cant progress. He's surrounded by Yes Men and Women who are here to reassure him, not challenge him. I didn't get that vide at all. In fact, the documentary starts off when the songs seem already finished, and they're just doing final drum tracks and strings. Was actually shocked how in charge Noel was -- and thought we'd see more songwriting. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 7, 2024 12:04:07 GMT -5
Anyone watch the first part ? That's it right there why Noel cant progress. He's surrounded by Yes Men and Women who are here to reassure him, not challenge him. I didn't get that vide at all. In fact, the documentary starts off when the songs seem already finished, and they're just doing final drum tracks and strings. Was actually shocked how in charge Noel was -- and thought we'd see more songwriting. Noel doesn't write in the studio. He only did with Holmes, and he's a very privy songwriter so you will never see that. He comes in the studio with songs fully formed ready to be recorded. Maybe the rest of the documentary will be interesting, but so far, its been boring. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jun 7, 2024 12:11:03 GMT -5
I didn't get that vide at all. In fact, the documentary starts off when the songs seem already finished, and they're just doing final drum tracks and strings. Was actually shocked how in charge Noel was -- and thought we'd see more songwriting. Noel doesn't write in the studio. He only did with Holmes, and he's a very privy songwriter so you will never see that. He comes in the studio with songs fully formed ready to be recorded. Maybe the rest of the documentary will be interesting, but so far, its been boring. IMO, he's entitled to have his songs -- that he wrote -- recorded the way he wants them to sound. I think it's harsh to call a couple friends/engineers and strings people "Yes Men". If you wrote an entire album and spent money on a studio, would you want people who are hard to work with? Council Skies turned out sounding great with amazing songs, so those "yes men" did the right thing and listened to Noel. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 8, 2024 1:35:34 GMT -5
Noel doesn't write in the studio. He only did with Holmes, and he's a very privy songwriter so you will never see that. He comes in the studio with songs fully formed ready to be recorded. Maybe the rest of the documentary will be interesting, but so far, its been boring. IMO, he's entitled to have his songs -- that he wrote -- recorded the way he wants them to sound. I think it's harsh to call a couple friends/engineers and strings people "Yes Men". If you wrote an entire album and spent money on a studio, would you want people who are hard to work with? Council Skies turned out sounding great with amazing songs, so those "yes men" did the right thing and listened to Noel. I'm a huge Noel fan, but Council Skies it not a great album. It's tedious, its got some ok moments but overall, its the sound of someone who doesn't know where to go. Its a bit all over the place and its a record made to please the fans. Its not about finding someone who is "hard to work with" but someone who will take the songs to another level, another path, and not just "yes, sounds great boss" shaking their head in approval. I'm sorry you cant see that but its way obvious in the first part. Noel managed to reinvent himself during the "cosmic pop" era and It was a bold move. Now, he doesnt need to go full crazy, but really need to change the way he's recording his songs. You just know how the guitar, drums and melodies are gonna sound like, its like he's going in the studio, loads the preset guitar sound and off he goes. On ALL the songs. There is absolutely nothing even a bit challenging on CS. Its all autopilot. Its fine if you like it. I think Noel still has more to give. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jun 8, 2024 3:50:34 GMT -5
You lost at “Council Skies not a great album.” Didn’t bother to read the rest.
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Post by The Chief on Jun 8, 2024 8:05:35 GMT -5
You lost at “Council Skies not a great album.” Didn’t bother to read the rest. You should. But you're missing the point, it's not a question of "he has the right to" or us saying that he shouldn't sound like he wants to. If that's what Noel wants to do, then fine. We're talking about how he always sounds one way without a proper producer. It's the Noel-by-Numbers approach. Even Noel said it himself back when he was working with David Sardy that he needs someone to produce because he can only get it to sound one way. He did learn a bit with David Holmes but he's not using that on CS. I got the same feeling as others watching the documentary where everything he plays gets hailed as amazing. Of course their jobs isn't to question what he does so that's OK. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jun 8, 2024 8:56:40 GMT -5
Actually, it is a great album. Very cohesive, some great songs, no fillers. Well done
That said, now don’t repeat exactly the same next time. Variety is always good
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 8, 2024 12:27:14 GMT -5
To each their own, but to me, assigning the “great” label to CS does a disservice to the word. Imo, it’s elevator music, but the type that puts you in a coma you don’t want to emerge from.
I genuinely don’t care for single tune on it.
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Post by The Chief on Jun 8, 2024 13:37:54 GMT -5
To each their own, but to me, assigning the “great” label to CS does a disservice to the word. Imo, it’s elevator music, but the type that puts you in a coma you don’t want to emerge from. I genuinely don’t care for single tune on it. Just a little harsh But yeah both INGUT and Open the Door are definitely more middle of road adult contemporary. And him saying Open the Door is a "stadium rock thing" in the documentary... what? |
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Post by shadowcaster on Jun 8, 2024 17:41:48 GMT -5
In my opinion, Council Skies contains some of Noel's best songwriting in years. Dead To The World, Easy Now and Think Of A Number are all up there with the very best of Noel's post Oasis work from a songwriting standpoint and, for me, beat most Oasis output post BHN.
However, my issues with the album are mainly with the "by numbers" production and mixing, which comes across very bland when compared to the intricate, textured soundscapes David Holmes created for Who Built The Moon.
For example, Open The Door could make for a proper good "stadium rock" anthem, given more buoyant production with the guitars & drums higher up in the mix. Unfortunately, Noel's finished version is sonically rather dull and that soaring chorus just falls flat.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jun 8, 2024 23:13:55 GMT -5
Tried to join but no matter what phone number I put in the system said it was not valid. Gave up. Hopefully I can find the documentary somewhere else. |
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Post by vera000 on Jun 9, 2024 2:31:15 GMT -5
I have registered, go in and watch part 1.
he has a large studio, many rooms, he can even live there permanently :-)
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Post by carlober on Jun 9, 2024 4:06:15 GMT -5
However, my issues with the album are mainly with the "by numbers" production and mixing, which comes across very bland when compared to the intricate, textured soundscapes David Holmes created for Who Built The Moon. I really, really enjoy Council Skies one year later. It is a very good album, with little or no filler material. However, this is the one problem I have with it. It sounds flat - but that's what Noel likes apparently. |
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Jun 9, 2024 5:23:14 GMT -5
Noel’s best solo album. Not a bad song on it.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 9, 2024 10:08:33 GMT -5
However, my issues with the album are mainly with the "by numbers" production and mixing, which comes across very bland when compared to the intricate, textured soundscapes David Holmes created for Who Built The Moon. I really, really enjoy Council Skies one year later. It is a very good album, with little or no filler material. However, this is the one problem I have with it. It sounds flat - but that's what Noel likes apparently. Yeah this is it. Flat, a bit dull. I mean, the songs, with another production, i really wouldnt mind them. One year later i rarely listen to it. There's always something else to listen to. That's usually a sign. Same goes for Liam's records(bar Squire one) Its not that its baaad, it just feeels like when you fall asleep in a car and have that weird warm sleep, and wake a bit tired, not really rested, and completely disoriented. Its weird and flat in that way. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 9, 2024 10:10:56 GMT -5
Tried to join but no matter what phone number I put in the system said it was not valid. Gave up. Hopefully I can find the documentary somewhere else. working for you ? |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 9, 2024 10:11:38 GMT -5
Noel’s best solo album. Not a bad song on it. not a bad song on it, but 7 to 8 badly produced songs. |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jun 9, 2024 15:04:55 GMT -5
Tried to join but no matter what phone number I put in the system said it was not valid. Gave up. Hopefully I can find the documentary somewhere else. working for you ? Thanks - I just need to find the other three parts now! |
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Post by Manualex on Jun 9, 2024 15:06:31 GMT -5
Thanks - I just need to find the other three parts now! They are releasing them weekly |
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