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Post by birchy on Nov 22, 2017 10:25:55 GMT -5
Only two sold out shows? Ouch. According to the Wembley Arena website, there are still loads of seats available. I think the ticket prices are the problem. £86 for a regular seat at Wembley is too much.  |
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Post by janedoe on Nov 22, 2017 10:59:21 GMT -5
Only two sold out shows? Ouch. According to the Wembley Arena website, there are still loads of seats available. I think the ticket prices are the problem. £86 for a regular seat at Wembley is too much. Prices for one US Gig dropped to $25 www.ticketmaster.com/promo/7xxsr2 |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 22, 2017 17:59:45 GMT -5
Only two sold out shows? Ouch. According to the Wembley Arena website, there are still loads of seats available. I think the ticket prices are the problem. £86 for a regular seat at Wembley is too much. I think that might just mean tickets sold out on the gigs and tours site |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 25, 2017 11:23:22 GMT -5
Dates are too far from album release to sell out quick. They gonna need new material to push those dates. But prices were indeed a bit high i thought.
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Post by coolprophet on Nov 25, 2017 12:44:02 GMT -5
Prices for the UK gigs were definitely too high as Noel is playing at least every 2 years anyway. Speaking about the US these VIP bullshit for the best seats also not a smart move. No wonder the tour is not doing so well compared to the previous ones to date.
Would have prefered smaller venues especially for the new album stuff and he could charge higher prices there too + demand would be higher on the next tour again.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 25, 2017 12:53:14 GMT -5
Prices for the UK gigs were definitely too high as Noel is playing at least every 2 years anyway. Speaking about the US these VIP bullshit for the best seats also not a smart move. No wonder the tour is not doing so well compared to the previous ones to date. Would have prefered smaller venues especially for the new album stuff and he could charge higher prices there too + demand would be higher on the next tour again. I got Manchester standing tickets for £42. That's about the same as Liam's. |
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Post by liamsparka on Nov 27, 2017 7:11:30 GMT -5
Liam's a bit more fresh with his solo run, people have probably seen Noel plenty of times and maybe want to hear the new album before spending money. That's all it is. Plus, I doubt Noel is gonna have many 'new' fans at his gigs. Liam's is going to be at least half (if not two thirds) people aged 16-20 who have probably never seen NG or Beady Eye, never mind Oasis. It is quite strange how Liam has the youth audience, both my kids (eldest 15) love Liam and his album and so do their friends ...when I tried to get them to listen to WBTM they were all very scathing and negative ...one said High flying Turds  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 27, 2017 7:15:46 GMT -5
That's all it is. Plus, I doubt Noel is gonna have many 'new' fans at his gigs. Liam's is going to be at least half (if not two thirds) people aged 16-20 who have probably never seen NG or Beady Eye, never mind Oasis. It is quite strange how Liam has the youth audience, both my kids (eldest 15) love Liam and his album and so do their friends ...when I tried to get them to listen to WBTM they were all very scathing and negative ...one said High flying Turds It isn't strange. He did A LOT to promote it, makes use of social media in a clever way. His album is also quite poppy. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 27, 2017 7:24:40 GMT -5
That's all it is. Plus, I doubt Noel is gonna have many 'new' fans at his gigs. Liam's is going to be at least half (if not two thirds) people aged 16-20 who have probably never seen NG or Beady Eye, never mind Oasis. It is quite strange how Liam has the youth audience, both my kids (eldest 15) love Liam and his album and so do their friends ...when I tried to get them to listen to WBTM they were all very scathing and negative ...one said High flying Turds Noel definitely has a point when he says this latest generation of Oasis fans have a pre-set concept of how Liam and Noel should be, and how the music should be. It's a shame because if they opened their ears to both types of music then that would lead them to listen to a huge variety of music from Glamrock through to the Acid House Dance music of the late 80s and 90s which is so much better than the crap now. I'm 22, and have been massively into Oasis since I was 15. Difference with me is that they weren't at all popular then, whereas now they're probably still the biggest British rock band going in terms of a younger audience and they've been split up for almost a decade  |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 27, 2017 7:26:54 GMT -5
It is quite strange how Liam has the youth audience, both my kids (eldest 15) love Liam and his album and so do their friends ...when I tried to get them to listen to WBTM they were all very scathing and negative ...one said High flying Turds It isn't strange. He did A LOT to promote it, makes use of social media in a clever way. His album is also quite poppy. It's strange in the sense that just three/four years Liam had changed into a caricature of himself. Supersonic, and the last year, has totally changed the public's concept. He's been marketed very well, yes, but he's also just being himself - as he always has been. 'The yoof' are latching onto that as our generation haven't got an iconic figure to look up to in the same way that kids in the mid-90s could look up to Liam. It's sad in that sense, but I'm chuffed for Liam. |
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Post by liamsparka on Nov 27, 2017 9:06:05 GMT -5
It is quite strange how Liam has the youth audience, both my kids (eldest 15) love Liam and his album and so do their friends ...when I tried to get them to listen to WBTM they were all very scathing and negative ...one said High flying Turds It isn't strange. He did A LOT to promote it, makes use of social media in a clever way. His album is also quite poppy. Again you make a good point, I was round at a friends and her 20 year was stood in the kitchen and said I can't stand Liam Gallagher he is a right cock .....to which as a huge fan I was quite horrified until his dad said no that's Noel you don't like .......he said oh yeah Liam is the one on Twitter he is brilliant  |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 27, 2017 10:11:20 GMT -5
It isn't strange. He did A LOT to promote it, makes use of social media in a clever way. His album is also quite poppy. Again you make a good point, I was round at a friends and her 20 year was stood in the kitchen and said I can't stand Liam Gallagher he is a right cock .....to which as a huge fan I was quite horrified until his dad said no that's Noel you don't like .......he said oh yeah Liam is the one on Twitter he is brilliant If they don't know the difference between the two their opinion is irrelevant  |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 28, 2017 5:54:15 GMT -5
Blossoms to support him on the European leg of the tour
This shit just keeps getting better and better
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Post by andymorris on Nov 28, 2017 6:04:13 GMT -5
It is quite strange how Liam has the youth audience, both my kids (eldest 15) love Liam and his album and so do their friends ...when I tried to get them to listen to WBTM they were all very scathing and negative ...one said High flying Turds Noel definitely has a point when he says this latest generation of Oasis fans have a pre-set concept of how Liam and Noel should be, and how the music should be. It's a shame because if they opened their ears to both types of music then that would lead them to listen to a huge variety of music from Glamrock through to the Acid House Dance music of the late 80s and 90s which is so much better than the crap now. I'm 22, and have been massively into Oasis since I was 15. Difference with me is that they weren't at all popular then, whereas now they're probably still the biggest British rock band going in terms of a younger audience and they've been split up for almost a decade Agreed. Liam is clearly fashionable again, and that's good. But the younger ones have a very restricted vision of what Oasis were. History remembers the big words, the attitude, but even back then, the music was the main thing, every 3 months, a huge single with 3 amazing bsides. Nowadays, Liam is a much an entertainer as he is a musician. Remove twitter and I doubt more than half of his new fans would be bothered. Competition is also nowhere to be seen if you are looking for a big mouthy rock n roll personality. Then again, it's harder to appreciate "other music" when you are younger. I'm not sure i would have enjoyed WBTM right away when i was 15. Setting Sun was a big slap in the face. Hell, even when Oasis released SOTSOG, i was 20 and it was already a big step in the unknown There's records i love now that i wouldn't listen 20 years ago. Musical education takes time, some progress, others don't. |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 28, 2017 6:29:37 GMT -5
Noel definitely has a point when he says this latest generation of Oasis fans have a pre-set concept of how Liam and Noel should be, and how the music should be. It's a shame because if they opened their ears to both types of music then that would lead them to listen to a huge variety of music from Glamrock through to the Acid House Dance music of the late 80s and 90s which is so much better than the crap now. I'm 22, and have been massively into Oasis since I was 15. Difference with me is that they weren't at all popular then, whereas now they're probably still the biggest British rock band going in terms of a younger audience and they've been split up for almost a decade Agreed. Liam is clearly fashionable again, and that's good. But the younger ones have a very restricted vision of what Oasis were. History remembers the big words, the attitude, but even back then, the music was the main thing, every 3 months, a huge single with 3 amazing bsides. Nowadays, Liam is a much an entertainer as he is a musician. Remove twitter and I doubt more than half of his new fans would be bothered. Competition is also nowhere to be seen if you are looking for a big mouthy rock n roll personality. Then again, it's harder to appreciate "other music" when you are younger. I'm not sure i would have enjoyed WBTM right away when i was 15. Setting Sun was a big slap in the face. Hell, even when Oasis released SOTSOG, i was 20 and it was already a big step in the unknown There's records i love now that i wouldn't listen 20 years ago. Musical education takes time, some progress, others don't. True. And yeh, probably same said for me. I didn't hear Setting Sun until about a year after I got into Oasis properly (I've said before but as anyone around my age knows, it's hard to grow up in Britain and not have some knowledge of Oasis - even if you aren't into them - if you were born in the 90s). And yeh, if I hadn't been so into the back catalogue and all of Noel's solo stuff maybe I wouldn't be ready for something new from him. But I am. I like Noel's taste in music - bands I've heard him speak about in interviews from nearly 20 years ago form part of my collection/playlists. So I'm delighted he's widening those influences in terms of what he puts on his records, because it's helping me learn more as well - especially since I've been plodding away at learning guitar, it's good to have different influences to draw upon to help improve. |
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Post by chamu on Nov 28, 2017 6:47:19 GMT -5
Noel definitely has a point when he says this latest generation of Oasis fans have a pre-set concept of how Liam and Noel should be, and how the music should be. It's a shame because if they opened their ears to both types of music then that would lead them to listen to a huge variety of music from Glamrock through to the Acid House Dance music of the late 80s and 90s which is so much better than the crap now. I'm 22, and have been massively into Oasis since I was 15. Difference with me is that they weren't at all popular then, whereas now they're probably still the biggest British rock band going in terms of a younger audience and they've been split up for almost a decade Agreed. Liam is clearly fashionable again, and that's good. But the younger ones have a very restricted vision of what Oasis were. History remembers the big words, the attitude, but even back then, the music was the main thing, every 3 months, a huge single with 3 amazing bsides. Nowadays, Liam is a much an entertainer as he is a musician. Remove twitter and I doubt more than half of his new fans would be bothered. Competition is also nowhere to be seen if you are looking for a big mouthy rock n roll personality. Then again, it's harder to appreciate "other music" when you are younger. I'm not sure i would have enjoyed WBTM right away when i was 15. Setting Sun was a big slap in the face. Hell, even when Oasis released SOTSOG, i was 20 and it was already a big step in the unknown There's records i love now that i wouldn't listen 20 years ago. Musical education takes time, some progress, others don't. Why are you always trying to point out some kind of pretext about Liam´s success? Yes, his marketing campaign has been very good, but he has produced a very very good album too and his live shows are a phenomenal experience. If these two things hadn´t worked well, his success would have been 0. WBTM probably is a great record too (althought i can´t really get into it)but as he hasn´t never attracted a younger audience, is obvious that he has lost some loyal and adult fans during last years. After three albums with a huge first album and a very success second one he should be on its peak, but instead he´s becoming less relevant every day. His Uk tour isn´t selling well and these days, when live shows are very popular, it is a clearly weak sign. Many of you, coherently, think that as he continues releasing great albums, everything is fine. But you should know that there are a lot of people out there (like me...people who listen lot of music and has a wide musical taste) who thinks Noel has released a forgettable album and his live shows (right now) are far way from greatness. Saying that..long live Noel&Liam! |
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Post by frogerz on Nov 28, 2017 6:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by andymorris on Nov 28, 2017 7:01:42 GMT -5
Why are you always trying to point out some kind of pretext about Liam´s success? Yes, his marketing campaign has been very good, but he has produced a very very good album too and his live shows are a phenomenal experience. If these two things hadn´t worked well, his success would have been 0. Why ? Because AYW is just a tad better than Beady Eye records, and because his live band is weaker than Beady Eye, which were way way better live. So why didn't Beady eye work and Liam did ? The time is right is all. That's not saying the music is not good. It is. Just like the time was right for Oasis to emerge, just like many people are saying Noel is not making a good marketing campaign this time around. In the end, the fanbase is always there (and it is there for WBTM, despite what this board thinks). What pushes an album to success is the rest of the people, reached via marketing. Liam or Noel, it does not matter. If you think Liam's success (or Noel's) is only due to the music, then you are fooling yourself. And I mean that in a very friendly way. As for shows "not selling", first, we dont know, they could be 10 tickets short from selling out. It's arenas after all. Second, it's due to having a Liam tour in december. Sales for Noel's tour will pick up in 2018, the tour is in april / may, that's a long time from now in these days of age where the attention span is 8 seconds. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 28, 2017 7:13:09 GMT -5
Hmmm...saw Bloosoms supporting The Coral last year, but I was't impressed. Hopefully it'll be different this time. |
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Post by frogerz on Nov 28, 2017 7:17:43 GMT -5
Hmmm...saw Bloosoms supporting The Coral last year, but I was't impressed. Hopefully it'll be different this time. They are not for everyone I'd give you that. However they are popular though. Probably the biggest upcoming band in Europe right now. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 28, 2017 9:07:07 GMT -5
Hmmm...saw Bloosoms supporting The Coral last year, but I was't impressed. Hopefully it'll be different this time. They are not for everyone I'd give you that. However they are popular though. Probably the biggest upcoming band in Europe right now. From 2011 up to 2016, all Noel's support act weren't very impressive for me sadly, but I'll give Blossoms a second chance. I thought they sound a bit similar to Suede when I saw them last year. |
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Post by codyr on Nov 28, 2017 14:07:41 GMT -5
Prices for the UK gigs were definitely too high as Noel is playing at least every 2 years anyway. Speaking about the US these VIP bullshit for the best seats also not a smart move. No wonder the tour is not doing so well compared to the previous ones to date. Would have prefered smaller venues especially for the new album stuff and he could charge higher prices there too + demand would be higher on the next tour again. I got Manchester standing tickets for £42. That's about the same as Liam's. But they are also asking for up to £80 for seats and that's a joke. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 29, 2017 10:11:54 GMT -5
Why are you always trying to point out some kind of pretext about Liam´s success? Yes, his marketing campaign has been very good, but he has produced a very very good album too and his live shows are a phenomenal experience. If these two things hadn´t worked well, his success would have been 0. Why ? Because AYW is just a tad better than Beady Eye records, and because his live band is weaker than Beady Eye, which were way way better live. So why didn't Beady eye work and Liam did ? The time is right is all. That's not saying the music is not good. It is. Just like the time was right for Oasis to emerge, just like many people are saying Noel is not making a good marketing campaign this time around. In the end, the fanbase is always there (and it is there for WBTM, despite what this board thinks). What pushes an album to success is the rest of the people, reached via marketing. Liam or Noel, it does not matter. If you think Liam's success (or Noel's) is only due to the music, then you are fooling yourself. And I mean that in a very friendly way. As for shows "not selling", first, we dont know, they could be 10 tickets short from selling out. It's arenas after all. Second, it's due to having a Liam tour in december. Sales for Noel's tour will pick up in 2018, the tour is in april / may, that's a long time from now in these days of age where the attention span is 8 seconds. You just want to explain it away. Many people think its a lot better than Beady Eye records, reviewers and fans alike. Your whole assumption is based on you thinking its a little better than Beady Eye and yet all observations seem to point to something more. If you feel that way about it fine but don't aplly it to everyone or use it give any reasons for Liam's success that don't include the music. |
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Post by chamu on Nov 29, 2017 10:40:01 GMT -5
Why are you always trying to point out some kind of pretext about Liam´s success? Yes, his marketing campaign has been very good, but he has produced a very very good album too and his live shows are a phenomenal experience. If these two things hadn´t worked well, his success would have been 0. Why ? Because AYW is just a tad better than Beady Eye records, and because his live band is weaker than Beady Eye, which were way way better live. So why didn't Beady eye work and Liam did ? The time is right is all. That's not saying the music is not good. It is. Just like the time was right for Oasis to emerge, just like many people are saying Noel is not making a good marketing campaign this time around. In the end, the fanbase is always there (and it is there for WBTM, despite what this board thinks). What pushes an album to success is the rest of the people, reached via marketing. Liam or Noel, it does not matter. If you think Liam's success (or Noel's) is only due to the music, then you are fooling yourself. And I mean that in a very friendly way. As for shows "not selling", first, we dont know, they could be 10 tickets short from selling out. It's arenas after all. Second, it's due to having a Liam tour in december. Sales for Noel's tour will pick up in 2018, the tour is in april / may, that's a long time from now in these days of age where the attention span is 8 seconds. Marketing is very important, a key thing for success, that´s for sure. But you can have the best marketing team around you and then you act on X-Factor performing "Second Bite of the Apple". Result: 0 hype around, trashing the band&the song&Liam all over social media and your success is reduced drastically. So, for me, Liam´s extraordinary success this year is a sum of different things. A great marketing campaign but a great album and great live shows too. In the same way, i really think that Noel´s relative success last years is a sum of different things. An average marketing campaign, a forgettable last album and a not so great live shows. |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 29, 2017 12:35:52 GMT -5
Why ? Because AYW is just a tad better than Beady Eye records, and because his live band is weaker than Beady Eye, which were way way better live. So why didn't Beady eye work and Liam did ? The time is right is all. That's not saying the music is not good. It is. Just like the time was right for Oasis to emerge, just like many people are saying Noel is not making a good marketing campaign this time around. In the end, the fanbase is always there (and it is there for WBTM, despite what this board thinks). What pushes an album to success is the rest of the people, reached via marketing. Liam or Noel, it does not matter. If you think Liam's success (or Noel's) is only due to the music, then you are fooling yourself. And I mean that in a very friendly way. As for shows "not selling", first, we dont know, they could be 10 tickets short from selling out. It's arenas after all. Second, it's due to having a Liam tour in december. Sales for Noel's tour will pick up in 2018, the tour is in april / may, that's a long time from now in these days of age where the attention span is 8 seconds. Marketing is very important, a key thing for success, that´s for sure. But you can have the best marketing team around you and then you act on X-Factor performing "Second Bite of the Apple". Result: 0 hype around, trashing the band&the song&Liam all over social media and your success is reduced drastically. So, for me, Liam´s extraordinary success this year is a sum of different things. A great marketing campaign but a great album and great live shows too. In the same way, i really think that Noel´s relative success last years is a sum of different things. An average marketing campaign, a forgettable last album and a not so great live shows. Well in the end we agree, cept for the Noel album, which is fantastic, and his live shows (ive seen one) are pretty good, very tight band, solid vocals and good song rework. Dont get me wrong, i really really like Liam's solo record, just that people who think only the music is the key to his success are fooling themselves. The marketing has done 80% of the job. His twitter rants, his "good guy" interviews, lots of festivals to reach a new audience, and sadly, the Manchester attacks also helped Liam's re-launch in a way. He was again the voice of a generation when Noel was nowhere to be seen. And that's a big mistake Noel did back then not to show up, although he was entitled not to. The failure of Beady Eye is a proof of bad marketing : bad single choices (Bring the light, Apple), bad producer choice (on the first record). Then they try "something new" with BE and alienate their fanbase... uho, just like Noel. Maybe a mix of DGSS and Be could have worked. The songs were there, especially on BE but most of the good ones are bsides... Timing is also very important and the time was not right for Beady Eye, people were not missing Oasis enough. Anywyay, i think it's fantastic that we got two good (and very different) records from them in only two months. peace. |
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