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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 10, 2017 15:40:49 GMT -5
It's a shame that at this point having the album leak would serve as stronger promotion than what they've managed to do in the mainstream. I hope it leaks next week. |
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Post by deasy on Nov 10, 2017 16:16:18 GMT -5
I keep listening to the Jools version. Such a great song. I hope the breakdown post French spoken piece sounds just as good on the album and is elongated.
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Post by stinenat on Nov 10, 2017 16:23:24 GMT -5
I'm curious to hear these 45 seconds that are missing from the live version.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 10, 2017 16:34:22 GMT -5
don't think all eyes are on Taylor today, seems like Eminem is stealing her thunder. Noel doesn't share a target audience with her anyway. whatever, looking forward to hopefully hear the studio version soon  Obviously their is very limited crossover with fans but it’s more about creating a buzz and getting some headlines. I’ve seen wall to wall Taylor coverage on countless music sites. It’s like with movies, don’t release your drama think piece of the same week as Star Wars or marvel movies or its gonna get lost in the shuffle. Noel doesn't get any headlines with his music now. The only thing people have talked about is a pair of scissors. It's really doesn't matter whether he releases a song on the same day as Taylor Swift, only his fan base care about it anyway. He has no relevance in todays mainstream pop culture, just his dedicated fanbase. These, there will always be a song being released on the same day as him that will get more attention and more listens, hence why the singles don't even chart in the top 30 or something. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 10, 2017 16:36:27 GMT -5
Obviously their is very limited crossover with fans but it’s more about creating a buzz and getting some headlines. I’ve seen wall to wall Taylor coverage on countless music sites. It’s like with movies, don’t release your drama think piece of the same week as Star Wars or marvel movies or its gonna get lost in the shuffle. Noel doesn't get any headlines with his music now. The only thing people have talked about is a pair of scissors. It's really doesn't matter whether he releases a song on the same day as Taylor Swift, only his fan base care about it anyway. He has no relevance in todays mainstream pop culture, just his dedicated fanbase. He still gets plenty of pub in England. But all eyes are on taylor at the moment. |
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 10, 2017 16:39:55 GMT -5
Noel doesn't get any headlines with his music now. The only thing people have talked about is a pair of scissors. It's really doesn't matter whether he releases a song on the same day as Taylor Swift, only his fan base care about it anyway. He has no relevance in todays mainstream pop culture, just his dedicated fanbase. He still gets plenty of pub in England. But all eyes are on taylor at the moment. I think you've overestimating his relevance in 2017. To 99.9% of people, he's just a middle aged guy from a big band in the past releasing solo music. I don't think a guy who's singles chart at about 40 in the charts needs to worry about who he's competing with when releasing a track. As i said, he can release it any week and there will be about at least 10-15 songs more popular released that day or week. Holy Mountain didn't exactly get a lot of publicity and that was without competition from bigger artists. |
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Nov 11, 2017 2:51:41 GMT -5
He still gets plenty of pub in England. But all eyes are on taylor at the moment. I think you've overestimating his relevance in 2017. To 99.9% of people, he's just a middle aged guy from a big band in the past releasing solo music. I don't think a guy who's singles chart at about 40 in the charts needs to worry about who he's competing with when releasing a track. As i said, he can release it any week and there will be about at least 10-15 songs more popular released that day or week. Holy Mountain didn't exactly get a lot of publicity and that was without competition from bigger artists. Yep. Noel just doesn't matter to the mainstream anymore and only his most ardent fans care about this fact. Aside from all time greats, think of the mainstream 20 some odd years ago when Oasis was new, can you name anyone aside from a handful of bonafide world recognized legends (I'm talking the biggest names) that were charting at a consistently high level or needed a level of publicity to have a commercial standout? Hell, Bob Dylan was 53 in 1994. It's consistently apparent that Noel doesn't care anymore. Enough people buy his albums and go to his shows to maintain his bank account and lifestyle. If he doesn't want to do 1000 interviews with people asking the same questions over and over again or other monotonous nonsense that is required for publicity, he shouldn't have to. He doesn't have to. If something is strong enough, it gets heard. If Noel has that in him still, it will happen. Fans of his should be thankful that he's still creating and still touring. It's not going to last forever. He seems like the type that will eventually tire of it and be content living off the consistent fortune that will benefit him and his family long after he's gone. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 13, 2017 6:08:26 GMT -5
So........................................Friday is the day?
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 13, 2017 6:23:16 GMT -5
So........................................Friday is the day? Most likely,but I hope the album leaks this week. On the otherside,if it leaks it will be a shame for Noel,because of the management behind the album. Just a single and the album its leaked? Don't really know if he cares that much about how the album is going to sell,but at this point I can tell that As You Were will double that number |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 13, 2017 6:30:07 GMT -5
I think you've overestimating his relevance in 2017. To 99.9% of people, he's just a middle aged guy from a big band in the past releasing solo music. I don't think a guy who's singles chart at about 40 in the charts needs to worry about who he's competing with when releasing a track. As i said, he can release it any week and there will be about at least 10-15 songs more popular released that day or week. Holy Mountain didn't exactly get a lot of publicity and that was without competition from bigger artists. Yep. Noel just doesn't matter to the mainstream anymore and only his most ardent fans care about this fact. Aside from all time greats, think of the mainstream 20 some odd years ago when Oasis was new, can you name anyone aside from a handful of bonafide world recognized legends (I'm talking the biggest names) that were charting at a consistently high level or needed a level of publicity to have a commercial standout? Hell, Bob Dylan was 53 in 1994. It's consistently apparent that Noel doesn't care anymore. Enough people buy his albums and go to his shows to maintain his bank account and lifestyle. If he doesn't want to do 1000 interviews with people asking the same questions over and over again or other monotonous nonsense that is required for publicity, he shouldn't have to. He doesn't have to. If something is strong enough, it gets heard. If Noel has that in him still, it will happen. Fans of his should be thankful that he's still creating and still touring. It's not going to last forever. He seems like the type that will eventually tire of it and be content living off the consistent fortune that will benefit him and his family long after he's gone. I agree with all of that except the last part. Noel will make music until he dies. A songwriter like that can not stop. Maybe for a few years, but he cant help it, it's part of him and i see him releasing records until the very last day. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Nov 13, 2017 6:50:01 GMT -5
Yep. Noel just doesn't matter to the mainstream anymore and only his most ardent fans care about this fact. Aside from all time greats, think of the mainstream 20 some odd years ago when Oasis was new, can you name anyone aside from a handful of bonafide world recognized legends (I'm talking the biggest names) that were charting at a consistently high level or needed a level of publicity to have a commercial standout? Hell, Bob Dylan was 53 in 1994. It's consistently apparent that Noel doesn't care anymore. Enough people buy his albums and go to his shows to maintain his bank account and lifestyle. If he doesn't want to do 1000 interviews with people asking the same questions over and over again or other monotonous nonsense that is required for publicity, he shouldn't have to. He doesn't have to. If something is strong enough, it gets heard. If Noel has that in him still, it will happen. Fans of his should be thankful that he's still creating and still touring. It's not going to last forever. He seems like the type that will eventually tire of it and be content living off the consistent fortune that will benefit him and his family long after he's gone. I agree with all of that except the last part. Noel will make music until he dies. A songwriter like that can not stop. Maybe for a few years, but he cant help it, it's part of him and i see him releasing records until the very last day. I can see Noel having 5 year breaks between albums but he wont ever completely pack it in. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 13, 2017 6:53:09 GMT -5
I agree with all of that except the last part. Noel will make music until he dies. A songwriter like that can not stop. Maybe for a few years, but he cant help it, it's part of him and i see him releasing records until the very last day. I can see Noel having 5 year breaks between albums but he wont ever completely pack it in. He's never been more than 3 years without a record. Except for the Oasis and HFB between time period,and if he has to put a new career and band out that takes time I guess. Even though Liam only took 3 years. But yeah,next album in 2019-2020 most likely |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 13, 2017 6:58:32 GMT -5
I'm curious to hear these 45 seconds that are missing from the live version. Doubt it's anything but an extended outro - maybe a bit of something groovy but they wouldn't miss anything major out of the live Jools version, I don't think. |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 13, 2017 7:10:04 GMT -5
I agree with all of that except the last part. Noel will make music until he dies. A songwriter like that can not stop. Maybe for a few years, but he cant help it, it's part of him and i see him releasing records until the very last day. I can see Noel having 5 year breaks between albums but he wont ever completely pack it in. I dont know. From his interviews he's clearly into the phase "now or never" that happens when you reach 50. It gave him a new will to produce more and more music before it's too late. The gap between CY and WBTM is more or less the same as the rest of his career, less than 3 years. And it was probably delayed due to Liam releasing his record. 5 years seems a bit much, 2/3 is about right. He cant do it faster anyway, with touring...etc |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 13, 2017 7:30:14 GMT -5
I think he might pull a Beatles and just release albums, maybe with very minor tours. I think he has been creatively reborn in these sessions and that's gonna be his only real concern from now on, not sales or live performances. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking, what do I know?
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Post by aloneontherope on Nov 13, 2017 7:42:57 GMT -5
I think he might pull a Beatles and just release albums, maybe with very minor tours. I think he has been creatively reborn in these sessions and that's gonna be his only real concern from now on, not sales or live performances. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking, what do I know? I think that might be on his mind. He has said this promotion cycle that the next 10 years will be about doing things for the experience of it and that the world tour with U2 was a deliberate attempt at finding out if he still had the appetite for primarily big arena tours which he concluded in the negative. This adds weight to his previous comment about disappearing from big world tours by the time he's 60. I think if this album doesn't continue his #1 streak or big sales figures and if the album does divide opinion and his gigs start losing an audience, he will use that as an opportunity to just break free of this approach to selling and touring altogether because he will have a cause. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 13, 2017 7:49:28 GMT -5
So........................................Friday is the day? Most likely,but I hope the album leaks this week. On the otherside,if it leaks it will be a shame for Noel,because of the management behind the album. Just a single and the album its leaked? Don't really know if he cares that much about how the album is going to sell,but at this point I can tell that As You Were will double that number For a guy who loves his new “process” and album he sure isn’t really selling it to the public. I mean do you want it to get off on the wrong foot potentially? |
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Post by balloonless on Nov 13, 2017 7:53:22 GMT -5
I think he might pull a Beatles and just release albums, maybe with very minor tours. I think he has been creatively reborn in these sessions and that's gonna be his only real concern from now on, not sales or live performances. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking, what do I know? Cannot see this, his ego will want him to keep getting number 1 albums.. He's on a 9 studio album run with number 1's, my guess would be he'd pack it in when he fails to get that top spot. Could you imagine if WBTM only charted at number2? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 13, 2017 8:02:50 GMT -5
I think he might pull a Beatles and just release albums, maybe with very minor tours. I think he has been creatively reborn in these sessions and that's gonna be his only real concern from now on, not sales or live performances. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking, what do I know? Cannot see this, his ego will want him to keep getting number 1 albums.. He's on a 9 studio album run with number 1's, my guess would be he'd pack it in when he fails to get that top spot. Could you imagine if WBTM only charted at number2? That could very well happen in 3 weeks. But like he “says”, he doesn’t care what the fans or media think. It’s only what he wants. We shall see if this holds true if shit hits the fan. |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 13, 2017 8:27:31 GMT -5
I think he might pull a Beatles and just release albums, maybe with very minor tours. I think he has been creatively reborn in these sessions and that's gonna be his only real concern from now on, not sales or live performances. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking, what do I know? I'd love that with a minor tour inbetween. That probably won't happen, but his demos have always been very interesting, and fully formed, and more adventurous. Freed from the pressure of having the cost of touring, he could easily release a record once a year. the coming year are gonna be interesting, but they depend on the success of this record. |
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 13, 2017 9:59:06 GMT -5
Most revenue comes from touring these days though. Record sales aren't what they were and streaming doesn't bring in the same kind of dough. Whether they like it or not, bands and artists have to go on tour to bring in the money to recoup the expenses of recording and promoting an album and Noel is no different. Maybe even more so because it's all self released stuff.
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Post by supernovastar94 on Nov 13, 2017 10:03:54 GMT -5
I am one of the ones that believes he will eventually stop touring. Maybe a gig here and there in London, MCR and Ireland and that's it. It doesn't seem he enjoys it much really. That being said, he'll probably continue recording music till the very end.
By the way, I understand Noel is paying for all the "marketing" of the album right? I think maybe he just didn't want to spend much this time. Or at all. Starting to think he really doesn't care how it sells.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 13, 2017 10:07:36 GMT -5
Most revenue comes from touring these days though. Record sales aren't what they were and streaming doesn't bring in the same kind of dough. Whether they like it or not, bands and artists have to go on tour to bring in the money to recoup the expenses of recording and promoting an album and Noel is no different. Maybe even more so because it's all self released stuff. There's also his employees which i believe he's been working with for a lot of years, that he likes very much and wont let go like that. As for cost of producing records, all his demos, some that are even on DBTT, were recorded in his own studio with little to no cost. So it's not the problem. But his income his, i dont think he'd like to see it drop and he needs a lot to maintain his label. So a relatively small tour (this next one seems smaller ?) + a few good paying festivals and he would be ok i suppose. |
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Post by icebreath on Nov 13, 2017 10:11:22 GMT -5
I am one of the ones that believes he will eventually stop touring. Maybe a gig here and there in London, MCR and Ireland and that's it. It doesn't seem he enjoys it much really. That being said, he'll probably continue recording music till the very end. His wife will divorce him if that ever happens.  |
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Post by bt95 on Nov 13, 2017 10:15:27 GMT -5
Most revenue comes from touring these days though. Record sales aren't what they were and streaming doesn't bring in the same kind of dough. Whether they like it or not, bands and artists have to go on tour to bring in the money to recoup the expenses of recording and promoting an album and Noel is no different. Maybe even more so because it's all self released stuff. Great point. No way is Noel stopping touring soon. Not like he doesn't have enough saved up, I'm sure, but producing records takes lots of money and the only way to recoup it now is through touring, and touring extensively. Plus, there will always be an audience. I have a feeling WBTM? may be Noel's first album not to hit no.1, though. |
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