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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:14:53 GMT -5
Warning, Crazy Alert:
...but I have NEVER enjoyed live music and so I don't really care what Liam or Noel or Metallica sound like live. For me, it's about the creation of music and melody, it's not about the live performance of such.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm Just Sayin'...
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Aug 10, 2017 17:15:25 GMT -5
Watch out though, you're not allowed an opinion here if it's a negative one. That's not true at all. I've witnessed people being called all sorts on here in the last couple of days, just for saying they didn't like a song. Ok, they might be allowed, but you know what i mean...(yeahh yeahhhh)
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 10, 2017 17:21:01 GMT -5
I've witnessed people being called all sorts on here in the last couple of days, just for saying they didn't like a song. Ok, they might be allowed, but you know what i mean...(yeahh yeahhhh) Well, I've been called all sorts on here just by doing my job as a moderator if you ask me, but it doesn't bother me. and I repeat what I said, - people are not allowed to post their opinion on this forum (according to you) - is not true at all.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Aug 10, 2017 17:23:36 GMT -5
I've witnessed people being called all sorts on here in the last couple of days, just for saying they didn't like a song. Ok, they might be allowed, but you know what i mean...(yeahh yeahhhh) Well, I've been called all sorts on here just by doing my job as a moderator if you ask me, but it doesn't bother me. and I repeat what I said, - people are not allowed to post their opinion on this forum (according to you) - is not true at all. Well it was clearly a figure of speech, meaning you will probably get people jumping on you for speaking that negatively. Nobody calls you for just doing a job, they call you for doing a shit job kidding
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Post by eva on Aug 10, 2017 17:37:32 GMT -5
there's having an opinion/disliking something and there's being a dickhead or a troll for the sake of it. Sometimes people cross that line very easily because it's fun to hide behind a screen.
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Aug 10, 2017 17:46:15 GMT -5
Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it You're joking right? I would be embarrassed to play that to anyone who wasn't a hardcore oasis fan. Out of tune, toneless, words kind of mumbled together and undistinguishable. Sad. Why are people writing songs like this for him? I hated I'm out of Time for many of the same reasons. Is it Liam insisting on all these high notes to prove something? All well and good in the studio, embarrassing on the stage. When I listened to it at 6am this morning as soon as I opened my eyes, lying cozy in my bed with a cat on my head and the iPad turned down so I didn't get a "do we have to have bloody Liam Gallagher this fucking early" it sounded good to me ...but I'm happy to admit my bar's probably set much lower than yours
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Aug 10, 2017 17:46:16 GMT -5
Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it Fucking shit a brick. Everybody, we need to get on the Apple Cider Vinegar. Love it!!! yet we still have people hating on it and saying no way he could sing it. He is smashing it! They don't wanna admit he is not failing. He will never sing it live the same as the cd but he did an awesome job. You just gotta look back a few years to see the resurrection of Liam. Let's all be happy as fans
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Aug 10, 2017 17:48:10 GMT -5
there's having an opinion/disliking something and there's being a dickhead or a troll for the sake of it. Sometimes people cross that line very easily because it's fun to hide behind a screen. 100% you can dislike anything but people are doing it in some cases just to hate or doing it to be dicks
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Post by janelr on Aug 10, 2017 18:02:06 GMT -5
The apology was Liam's idea and who knows how much input he had but seems to me it was written with him and all his baggage in mind. In the Q interview a few months ago, it was said that Liam asked Simon Aldred to write him a song of apology that was regretful but not desperate because he was bad at making apologies.
I think this song has mass appeal and could potentially get him more listeners which is what Liam needs if we want another album out of him in the future. FWIW I'm really enjoying it. I didn't love Chinatown, but this one's already stuck in my head. I'm really excited for his performance on Colbert Monday night.
That's all fine, can we accept that he is not the last stand of punk/rock n roll or whatever he likes to portray himself as then? He's a pop artist hiring writers on spec to write soppy little ballads to please radio 2 listeners. He always says he doesn't care if no-one buys his music but signing to Warner Brothers and completely selling out on his image rather suggests otherwise. Stick it to the man Liam! If it was about the music he could easily have collaborated with his buddys like Death in Vegas, Chemical brothers etc. etc., done an album of him singing on songs of his peers. He chose not to. Well he's also said there's no point in making more music if he's not reaching people or something to that effect. Anecdotally speaking, there are people just discovering him now due to the recent output and totally still buying the rock legend image. So they must be doing something right.
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Post by onlybwhatuare on Aug 10, 2017 18:05:34 GMT -5
The song is ok. Vocals much better than some of the stuff on BE. For example when compared to that awful verse to Soon Come Tomorrow. But in my view it's one of the worst available tunes off the new album and it stirs no particular feelings at all.
The lyrics feel too contrived to me seemingly straining to imitate Liam's favourite lines from BHN and DYKWIM. The chorus melody rather too close to a demo on a Casio keyboard. The vocal itself suspiciously robotic, like Siri breaking into song. Partly due to the soulless production but not sure there is much there to produce anyway.
Just my own view. Not a hater - love greedy soul and think paper crown could be genuinely amazing if recorded with the same skill as wonderwall etc. Not sure that's likely though based on this supposed standout track. Rather gutted, but appreciate others feel differently.
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Post by MacaRonic on Aug 10, 2017 18:07:19 GMT -5
I'm liking the song. I haven't played it to death, probably listened about 8 times throughout the day so it's still early days but I'm digging it, to a certain extent.
Vocals are very good from Liam but there's obvious tricks from the studio helping him out here but that doesn't bother me, he would've struggled to hit those notes back in the day. The production is safe, straight forward and does it's job. The strings are a nice touch.
It's very big sounding, people have compared it to 'Don't Go Away' and 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' and while it's trying to be that type of song, the melody in the chorus lets it down, it just doesn't have the hook but I'm just convinced not many people on the planet can write melodys like Noel Gallagher can. I do really, really like the verses though, and the middle 8. Lyrically it's good, obviously people are going to say it's about Noel or Nicole but that's a loada bollocks... but all in all it's a good song and it should do well for Liam leading up to the album.
6.5/10
Chinatown 4/10 Wall Of Glass 6.5/10
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Post by walterglass on Aug 10, 2017 18:11:44 GMT -5
I find comparisons cheap sometimes - because it can devalue a song's own worth - but if I was to compare this to anything it'd be Hurricane #1's Only The Strongest - which is also a dream of a tune.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Aug 10, 2017 18:24:12 GMT -5
Watch out though, you're not allowed an opinion here if it's a negative one. That's not true at all. It is with some users.
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Post by august on Aug 10, 2017 18:29:42 GMT -5
You're joking right? I would be embarrassed to play that to anyone who wasn't a hardcore oasis fan. Out of tune, toneless, words kind of mumbled together and undistinguishable. Sad. Why are people writing songs like this for him? I hated I'm out of Time for many of the same reasons. Is it Liam insisting on all these high notes to prove something? All well and good in the studio, embarrassing on the stage. I have to agree with you there. It does sound pretty dreadful on that live version, if you can listen objectively. Concert footage from the crowd is usually bad quality so it sometimes masks a bad vocal. If you heard a soundboard version of that recording there, it would be pretty horrendous. Watch out though, you're not allowed an opinion here if it's a negative one. I also agree. Despite the fact that they lowered the key, he still sounds dreadful. Just horrible. :/ I still do not fullt understand how his voice became so ugly. Once it was the best voice on earth, according to my opinion. Now it's often just embrassasing.
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Post by Derrick on Aug 10, 2017 18:44:40 GMT -5
"For what it's worth" is indeed cheesy like "Let there be love", which was ruined by the production. The acoustic demo of "Let there be love" was so much better, so I'd like to hear "For what it's worth" on acoustic.
The melody of "For what it's worth" is OK, though the middle eight isn't that great, but as "The beat goes on" gets so much flak here I'd really like someone who thinks "For what it's worth" is great to explain to me why "The beat goes on" is crap.
(I like "The beat goes on", & "For what it's worth" is OK for me.)
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 10, 2017 19:11:53 GMT -5
I'll be honest, it's only been out a day and I already have no compulsion to listen to it much. Hmm.
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Post by Derrick on Aug 10, 2017 19:13:32 GMT -5
I'll be honest, it's only been out a day and I already have no compulsion to listen to it much. Hmm. Whereas "Wall of glass" stands the test of time quite well!
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Post by beats30 on Aug 10, 2017 19:19:14 GMT -5
Think some people on here are expecting a champagne supernova or DLBIA every time a Gallagher releases a record. Impossible to please everybody's musical taste. The 3 singles released so far are ,each in their own way, arguably better and more interesting than anything of both BE albums (that includes FOTF and roller) and any song off 2nd half of DOYS. If we're honest half the members on here, deep down, probably thought this album would be average at best. Count yourselves lucky to have Liam back, in the media, and making great records.
AMEN 👍
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Post by neila83 on Aug 10, 2017 20:05:02 GMT -5
there's having an opinion/disliking something and there's being a dickhead or a troll for the sake of it. Sometimes people cross that line very easily because it's fun to hide behind a screen. 100% you can dislike anything but people are doing it in some cases just to hate or doing it to be dicks I don't think I've seen anyone hating it just to hate. The trouble is people who like the song think that anyone who doesn't is trolling or being a dick, which isn't very helpful. It's an opinion and they're perfectly entitled to it. And this isn't a 'For what it's worth appreciation' thread, it's an open thread where all opinions are welcome. And to be fair, I don't see the people who don't like it getting personal and calling people who like it dicks. It's an Oasis forum, some of us, like me, were huge fans of Oasis and they were/are a huge part of our lives so obviously we maintain an interest in what their members do now. I would love Liam to succeed, to feel that magic I used to. But, at the same time, there is enough other amazing music out there that if he doesn't it's not the end of the world and I can be honest about it. I don't have a need to convince myself that live vocal performances that are objectively not very good, are some kind of resurrection. And I can hear when a studio performance has been played with to Cher like levels and that makes it unpleasant to listen to for me, as someone else said it kind of feels like listening to Siri. Perhaps the reason some of the people who dislike it express it in quite strong terms is because we have people saying things like 'best vocal since Be Here now!', 'he smashed it' on a very mediocre live performance that is already in a lower key. Liam was all about the voice, and even with the deterioration perhaps still could be if he played to its strengths. The only people who seems to have known how to use it in the last 15 years are Death in Vegas. For the love of god go and do an album with them, not people used to writing for Adele's voice FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 20:20:50 GMT -5
I absolutely love the recording personally, I think it's amazing. But that live version isn't great, but then I never saw it as the kind of song which would be easy to manage live. Liam's style of singing in a live scenario doesn't really suit the more delicate ballads and For What It's Worth is much higher than his usual range. If I was in his shoes I'd maybe not play this live with a full band, perhaps only try it if they do a relaxed acoustic session. When Liam is not competing with the crowd and full band he could possibly nail it acoustically. But I do think it's an amazing song and he's done a great job with it on the record. It feels like he really pushed himself and that's to be applauded IMO. I think it's a very commercial song which will reach beyond just Oasis fans. Perhaps that's why so many on here are critical of it, it is definitely different and perhaps trying to appeal to a more mainstream audience than just the hardcore fans. I don't think that's a bad thing, he does need to win over an entirely new generation if he really wants this solo career to fly.
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Post by oasissoup on Aug 10, 2017 20:25:59 GMT -5
Watching a lot of these liam vids from the gigs and one things been disappointing me. Its not the songs, i actually have liked all I've heard so far, Wall of glass, FWIW and universal gleam my favs so far, it's liams presence on the stage and the crowds. Crowds used to go mad for liam, utter mental and equally Liam knew how to pump up a crowd and his attitude came across. They added an edge to his live performances that are sadly missing at the minute. Single 8/10, live version 6/10.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 22:38:05 GMT -5
I think For What's It Worth + Paper Crown will be the Wonderwall + DLBIA of Liam's album.
The two anthems, back to back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 23:01:54 GMT -5
Or I guess for some it could be the Little James + Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is moment...
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Post by Aman on Aug 11, 2017 0:41:41 GMT -5
I'll be honest, it's only been out a day and I already have no compulsion to listen to it much. Hmm. Same. Whilst WOG still sounds great to me.
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Post by holidayinthesun on Aug 11, 2017 0:54:18 GMT -5
Loved it, dynamite, great direction, great stuff.
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