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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 7, 2017 20:15:41 GMT -5
Seriously, where did this come from?
He's actually holding notes. He hasn't done that consistently since the DBTT tour in 2005. There's no cutting away from the mic. His stance has improved. And he seems more relaxed on stage again - he looked tense as fuck the last year of Oasis and all of Beady Eye.
Plus, he has a proper haircut and looks cool as fuck again!
Seriously though, why the drastic improvement?
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Jul 7, 2017 20:19:57 GMT -5
Why are you asking questions you know the answer to?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 7, 2017 20:22:39 GMT -5
Why are you asking questions you know the answer to? Um, I don't know the answer hence the fookin' thread. Go sunbathe in Milwaukee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 20:29:48 GMT -5
What's with all those Milwaukee jokes?
I think the biggest reason is that he knows he has that disease and can do something about it.
The past 10 years must have been horrible for him knowing that people were slagging him off for his voice but he didn't know why it was happening.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 7, 2017 20:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by Ash & Debris on Jul 7, 2017 20:57:37 GMT -5
Don't worry, it won't last.
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Post by ricardogce on Jul 7, 2017 21:00:11 GMT -5
What's with all those Milwaukee jokes? No idea!
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Post by ricardogce on Jul 7, 2017 21:19:55 GMT -5
Seriously, where did this come from? He's actually holding notes. He hasn't done that consistently since the DBTT tour in 2005. There's no cutting away from the mic. His stance has improved. And he seems more relaxed on stage again - he looked tense as fuck the last year of Oasis and all of Beady Eye. Plus, he has a proper haircut and looks cool as fuck again! Seriously though, why the drastic improvement? The big one is that he was diagnosed with Hashimoto's disease, and is being treated for it. It's something that clearly was part of his vocal decline in the late 00s. He's also said he's indulging less as far as cigarettes and alcohol are concerned. And his more relaxed attitude I attribute to a measure of maturity gained with age, the very good relationship he's in, and the calm he must feel knowing he's in control of his instrument again. For most of the last 10 years, he's looked angry and frustrated on stage, probably quite aware that he couldn't deliver consistently. That clip of him botching the chorus to I'm Outta Time and knocking down the mic stand in frustration encapsulates what the last decade must have felt like for him.
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Post by birthdaycakes7 on Jul 7, 2017 21:39:01 GMT -5
According to wikipedia hashimoto's disease generally starts to affect people between 30 and 50. Liam turned 30 in 2002 and that was when his voice started to become really, really hoarse, and he probably went years without being diagnosed and treated. So I think it is just a combination of that, better singing technique, less coke/darts/booze, and the apple cider vinegar thing he was talking about. He's also complained about not being able to sing properly in Oasis because Noel's guitar was too loud, although that wouldn't explain his poor performances in Beady Eye, but he doesn't seem to be trying to sing as loud as he used to which would also be helping.
The other thing is that it's just him now, he hasn't got Noel, Andy or Gem, he just has himself and his voice, so it's likely he cares about it a lot more. If Liam's singing is subpar people will view his solo act as subpar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 22:32:01 GMT -5
Why was it not realised sooner though? If his mum has it then surely someone should have put 2 and 2 together?
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Post by World71R on Jul 7, 2017 23:24:54 GMT -5
Why are you asking questions you know the answer to? Well like they say, questions are the answers you might need.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 8, 2017 1:44:53 GMT -5
Liam is singing better but we don't why, why, why, why, why, .
(guitar solo)
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Post by Jack on Jul 8, 2017 3:14:11 GMT -5
I think he could always sing 'properly', its just a case of him being bothered to put effort into his performances. When he was in Oasis, people were gonna buy tickets to see them regardless of how Liam performed, because they were 'Oasis'. I think now he's gone solo, he's putting in extra effort into his vocal performances, because its his name out there alone, and has something to prove.
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Post by hasseg on Jul 8, 2017 3:31:36 GMT -5
I think he could always sing 'properly', its just a case of him being bothered to put effort into his performances. When he was in Oasis, people were gonna buy tickets to see them regardless of how Liam performed, because they were 'Oasis'. I think now he's gone solo, he's putting in extra effort into his vocal performances, because its his name out there alone, and has something to prove. THIS.
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Post by GlastoEls on Jul 8, 2017 3:53:51 GMT -5
I think he could always sing 'properly', its just a case of him being bothered to put effort into his performances. When he was in Oasis, people were gonna buy tickets to see them regardless of how Liam performed, because they were 'Oasis'. I think now he's gone solo, he's putting in extra effort into his vocal performances, because its his name out there alone, and has something to prove. I can't believe what I'm reading!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 4:33:02 GMT -5
You can say many things about Liam's last years in Oasis. But he didn't look like he was bored, or putting in little effort. Noel looked really bored in 2008/2009. Liam looked always like he was trying too hard but couldn't get it right.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Jul 8, 2017 7:08:06 GMT -5
I think there's a difference between being bored and not bothering to control your vocals though.
I really think part of it become habitual, such as backing off from the mic and shouting more than singing. I think he was usually into the gigs but not taking consideration into controlling the vocals as much. Now it seems he is making a conscious effort to be more controlled and seems to be trying to relax a bit more when singing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 9:02:36 GMT -5
Why was it not realised sooner though? If his mum has it then surely someone should have put 2 and 2 together? It creeps on you slowly and you get used to feeling tired, etc. My mother has it yet I didn't realize I have it too, even though I had all kinds of symptoms for quite some time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 9:19:43 GMT -5
Why was it not realised sooner though? If his mum has it then surely someone should have put 2 and 2 together? It creeps on you slowly and you get used to feeling tired, etc. My mother has it yet I didn't realize I have it too, even though I had all kinds of symptoms for quite some time. I mean I feel like you should have noticed to be honest. I'm aware of everything hereditary in my family and check for symptoms, BUT, regardless you're not a singer in the biggest rock band in the world who suffered a serious and sudden decline in vocal quality, someone should have got to the bottom of it before 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 9:24:32 GMT -5
As someone mentioned, i truly believed he started having the disease in late 2002/early 2003. True, there had been drop-offs in his voice before then but it´s not like it was utter shit until that phase and that drop-off was probably caused by his habits. But come the later part of the HC Tour, he sounded absolutely awful, you could tell that a lot in those concerts in Berlin during 2003. Rest restored his voice quite a bit come the beginning of the DBTT tour but it went shit again very soon and by 2006 it was the worst it ever had been.
I reckon the disease kicked in during late 2002/2003 but he spent years not knowing what it was and probably thought it was just due to getting old or his own habits and never bothered checking out and probably nothing ever came up in the routine check-ups he did. But even he must have begun to notice something was getting bad, i think when he begun shouting and cutting off the mic marks a time when along with the fights with Noel, he knew something was off but got pissed with the fact he did not know what it was.
I just don´t think he begun treatment now though. You could tell his voice was getting better towards the end of the BE album tour, i think he started doing something for his voice back then, probably due to Debbie´s concern or something.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 8, 2017 9:57:18 GMT -5
Because it's the last roll of the dice.
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Post by spud on Jul 8, 2017 10:02:57 GMT -5
The sad thing is that he only sounds good in relative terms. If you told someone who's never heard him sing before to listen to one of his recent performances they'd think he was an average to poor singer, despite it sounding ten times better than it has done for the last however many years.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 8, 2017 10:20:50 GMT -5
What's with all those Milwaukee jokes? I think the biggest reason is that he knows he has that disease and can do something about it. The past 10 years must have been horrible for him knowing that people were slagging him off for his voice but he didn't know why it was happening. A few years back XTRMNTRSCREAM claimed that he had insider info that Noel's first ever solo post-Oasis show would begin at Pabst theater in Milwaukee. Claimed for weeks that he had insider info. Obviously, Noel didn't begin his solo career in Milwaukee of all places, but it's remained a forum joke since then that anyone would think that it would be.
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Post by Aman on Jul 8, 2017 10:44:07 GMT -5
The sad thing is that he only sounds good in relative terms. If you told someone who's never heard him sing before to listen to one of his recent performances they'd think he was an average to poor singer, despite it sounding ten times better than it has done for the last however many years. Yeah kinda true tbf, sadly.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 8, 2017 10:48:21 GMT -5
The sad thing is that he only sounds good in relative terms. If you told someone who's never heard him sing before to listen to one of his recent performances they'd think he was an average to poor singer, despite it sounding ten times better than it has done for the last however many years. Actually, I did have a few friends who listened to the One Love Manchester concert (they never listen to Oasis), and they did think that he sounded good.
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