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Post by Jim G. on Jun 19, 2017 21:19:01 GMT -5
I only got to see a couple BHN gigs. So not top notch peak like his 94-96 self. Still excellent though. On the SOTSOG I thought he still sound fine but a little more gruff. Especially on Go Let It Out. I didn't notice any difference on the Brotherly Love tour either. After 2002, he became strangely more nasally and pinched vocals. Around 2006-2009 he started cutting off his words and half singing them. That was bizarre to say the least. Like he was running out of breath and shouting. Having all that been said, I saw Oasis 11 times and Beady Eye 3 times. I personally only got hit with one truly awful gig. Terminal 5, December 2011. Liam was a train wreck. It was tough to witness and I was embarrassed for him. That was also the last time I saw Liam live so it's shitty. I need a redo. Come to NYC Liam. Redemption time. Oh really? Youve never mentioned that NYC gig before. Ever. Like ever. Im so glad you shared it. wtf was this? lol
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Post by Jim G. on Jun 19, 2017 21:20:30 GMT -5
Definitely want Paper Crown to make the cut. And which one is the rocking one in 3/4 time that sounds like a much improved Ain't Got Nothing in parts? I'm sure it'll make the cut. I don't think he would put a co-written track with Greg Kurstin as a b-side.
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Post by Jim G. on Jun 19, 2017 21:28:02 GMT -5
Man, this is going to be confusing. Can we get a tracklist with writing credits soon please? overposting here, but anyway: WOG, Paper Crown, Come Back To Me and It Doesn't Have To Be That Way were co-written with Greg Kurstin. For What It's Worth was written by Simon Aldred. All the other songs he's played live were written by Liam, since they were all on that website that shows songs registered by artists (I think that was the worst description I could give) here it is: www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/writer/267033963/GALLAGHER%20LIAMThere's a song there called No One Loves Like You Do which is probably I Get By.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 19, 2017 21:37:02 GMT -5
I only got to see a couple BHN gigs. So not top notch peak like his 94-96 self. Still excellent though. On the SOTSOG I thought he still sound fine but a little more gruff. Especially on Go Let It Out. I didn't notice any difference on the Brotherly Love tour either. After 2002, he became strangely more nasally and pinched vocals. Around 2006-2009 he started cutting off his words and half singing them. That was bizarre to say the least. Like he was running out of breath and shouting. Having all that been said, I saw Oasis 11 times and Beady Eye 3 times. I personally only got hit with one truly awful gig. Terminal 5, December 2011. Liam was a train wreck. It was tough to witness and I was embarrassed for him. That was also the last time I saw Liam live so it's shitty. I need a redo. Come to NYC Liam. Redemption time. Oh really? Youve never mentioned that NYC gig before. Ever. Like ever. Im so glad you shared it. Some crimes you never stop paying for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 22:24:28 GMT -5
When you see an interview with him like this it the general perception of Liam is baffling. Sure he's confident and yeah has a bravado but it's tongue in cheek and he's actually quite humble.
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Post by Derrick on Jun 20, 2017 6:31:06 GMT -5
I've never been to an Oasis concert, but did you notice Liam's vocals gettings worse when you saw them live? I only got to see a couple BHN gigs. So not top notch peak like his 94-96 self. Still excellent though. On the SOTSOG I thought he still sound fine but a little more gruff. Especially on Go Let It Out. I didn't notice any difference on the Brotherly Love tour either. After 2002, he became strangely more nasally and pinched vocals. Around 2006-2009 he started cutting off his words and half singing them. That was bizarre to say the least. Like he was running out of breath and shouting. Having all that been said, I saw Oasis 11 times and Beady Eye 3 times. I personally only got hit with one truly awful gig. Terminal 5, December 2011. Liam was a train wreck. It was tough to witness and I was embarrassed for him. That was also the last time I saw Liam live so it's shitty. I need a redo. Come to NYC Liam. Redemption time. Prior to hearing about Hashimoto's disease I always assumed his vocals sounded ever more nasal because of all the cocaine he snorted over the years (Noel said he stopped taking coke in 1999 but Liam continued in the 2000's). Cocaine is known to damage the nasal septum, which can definitely alter the voice.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 20, 2017 6:44:55 GMT -5
I've never been to an Oasis concert, but did you notice Liam's vocals gettings worse when you saw them live? I never really witnessed that although ive seen Oasis countless times between 2000 and 2009. At gigs, it's really different than when you watch a video of a gig on youtube or a DVD. The vocals aren't as important, they are drowned in the whole sound, so if Liam vocals are shit (unless they are truly, truly awful), you dont really notice, or mind.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2017 6:45:49 GMT -5
I only got to see a couple BHN gigs. So not top notch peak like his 94-96 self. Still excellent though. On the SOTSOG I thought he still sound fine but a little more gruff. Especially on Go Let It Out. I didn't notice any difference on the Brotherly Love tour either. After 2002, he became strangely more nasally and pinched vocals. Around 2006-2009 he started cutting off his words and half singing them. That was bizarre to say the least. Like he was running out of breath and shouting. Having all that been said, I saw Oasis 11 times and Beady Eye 3 times. I personally only got hit with one truly awful gig. Terminal 5, December 2011. Liam was a train wreck. It was tough to witness and I was embarrassed for him. That was also the last time I saw Liam live so it's shitty. I need a redo. Come to NYC Liam. Redemption time. Prior to hearing about Hashimoto's disease I always assumed his vocals sounded ever more nasal because of all the cocaine he snorted over the years (Noel said he stopped taking coke in 1999 but Liam continued in the 2000's). Cocaine is known to damage the nasal septum, which can definitely alter the voice. I cringe a that video.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 7:03:22 GMT -5
Prior to hearing about Hashimoto's disease I always assumed his vocals sounded ever more nasal because of all the cocaine he snorted over the years (Noel said he stopped taking coke in 1999 but Liam continued in the 2000's). Cocaine is known to damage the nasal septum, which can definitely alter the voice. I cringe a that video. He just sounds drunk there. If I remember correctly this was the very last show of the dgss campaign and they had a piss up to celebrate. Very unprofessional for sure but I don't think its linked to his lobg term vocal decline as such
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2017 7:04:36 GMT -5
He just sounds drunk there. If I remember correctly this was the very last show of the dgss campaign and they had a piss up to celebrate. Very unprofessional for sure but I don't think its linked to his lobg term vocal decline as such Yes it was at the very end of the tour. I have no idea why he sounded bad that night, he just did. Struggling. Painful. Sorry.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jun 20, 2017 12:52:56 GMT -5
Tbh i watched him at casino de paris in (i believe) 2011? And he was incredibly good.
When i listened back to the recoridng i realised i was right. There was a really good vibe around the band then.
I really admired the way they toured just those songs too like it was a new band. I know it was but we all know it wasnt really.
As admirable as it was, it was just another quite arrogant and ill advised move for the band.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2017 14:22:24 GMT -5
Tbh i watched him at casino de paris in (i believe) 2011? And he was incredibly good. When i listened back to the recoridng i realised i was right. There was a really good vibe around the band then. I really admired the way they toured just those songs too like it was a new band. I know it was but we all know it wasnt really. As admirable as it was, it was just another quite arrogant and ill advised move for the band. I dug that too. They wanted a new path and identity. I was totally on board with them slugging it out with their own material. No matter how difficult the course. Takes balls.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 15:41:57 GMT -5
Tbh i watched him at casino de paris in (i believe) 2011? And he was incredibly good. When i listened back to the recoridng i realised i was right. There was a really good vibe around the band then. I really admired the way they toured just those songs too like it was a new band. I know it was but we all know it wasnt really. As admirable as it was, it was just another quite arrogant and ill advised move for the band. I dug that too. They wanted a new path and identity. I was totally on board with them slugging it out with their own material. No matter how difficult the course. Takes balls. So what was the turning point then? Noel release of NGHFB? The the press changed their mind like Be Here Now?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2017 16:40:16 GMT -5
I dug that too. They wanted a new path and identity. I was totally on board with them slugging it out with their own material. No matter how difficult the course. Takes balls. So what was the turning point then? Noel release of NGHFB? The the press changed their mind like Be Here Now? The turning point for who? Noel or Beady Eye playing Oasis tunes?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 16:58:45 GMT -5
So what was the turning point then? Noel release of NGHFB? The the press changed their mind like Be Here Now? The turning point for who? Noel or Beady Eye playing Oasis tunes? For Beady Eye. Was the turning point them playing Oasis songs?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 17:00:39 GMT -5
I dug that too. They wanted a new path and identity. I was totally on board with them slugging it out with their own material. No matter how difficult the course. Takes balls. So what was the turning point then? Noel release of NGHFB? The the press changed their mind like Be Here Now? Who knows really but possibly their managment abandoning them during the tour and realisation that they would never be able to escape the oasislite label. The subsequent reaction from fans to oasis tunes must have hammered home to them how little impact there own songs were having. However ballsy and understandable there initial decision was, it was a big two fingers to Noel that was made in haste and fatally holed beady eye below the water line before they started. If they wanted to carry on together then they should have stayed as oasis and kept on playing the classics. They would have coped some criticism from purists but most fans wouldn't have cared that much and they would have carried on selling out stadiums for the name alone, with or without Noel.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2017 18:43:31 GMT -5
The turning point for who? Noel or Beady Eye playing Oasis tunes? For Beady Eye. Was the turning point them playing Oasis songs? Gotcha. The turn occurred once the tour cycle for DGSS was over. Lack of hit singles, album sales and small venues played a part in my opinion. Liam even admits it now. People just weren't responding to the band. Of course the diehards on this forum did but overall a general lack of interest fell on the band. It was always going to be a tough go. Basically Oasis minus Noel, aka the main songwriter. I give them mad props for not playing Oasis songs on that tour. I still defend it. It wasn't gonna help their new identity by playing Oasis classics written by Noel. It just wasn't. Now that's only my opinion but I feel it cheapened them even more. Fair or unfair. If they were to play Oasis songs, at least make them LAG songs. Not from the guy who quit on you all. Overall the band struggled because the songwriting was extremely weak.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 7:10:04 GMT -5
For Beady Eye. Was the turning point them playing Oasis songs? Gotcha. The turn occurred once the tour cycle for DGSS was over. Lack of hit singles, album sales and small venues played a part in my opinion. Liam even admits it now. People just weren't responding to the band. Of course the diehards on this forum did but overall a general lack of interest fell on the band. It was always going to be a tough go. Basically Oasis minus Noel, aka the main songwriter. I give them mad props for not playing Oasis songs on that tour. I still defend it. It wasn't gonna help their new identity by playing Oasis classics written by Noel. It just wasn't. Now that's only my opinion but I feel it cheapened them even more. Fair or unfair. If they were to play Oasis songs, at least make them LAG songs. Not from the guy who quit on you all. Overall the band struggled because the songwriting was extremely weak. Gem and Andy great musicians but poor song writers. Noel should never have let them contribute to the latter Oasis albums, just my opinion. Beady Eye lacked any imagination.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jun 21, 2017 7:25:56 GMT -5
Gotcha. The turn occurred once the tour cycle for DGSS was over. Lack of hit singles, album sales and small venues played a part in my opinion. Liam even admits it now. People just weren't responding to the band. Of course the diehards on this forum did but overall a general lack of interest fell on the band. It was always going to be a tough go. Basically Oasis minus Noel, aka the main songwriter. I give them mad props for not playing Oasis songs on that tour. I still defend it. It wasn't gonna help their new identity by playing Oasis classics written by Noel. It just wasn't. Now that's only my opinion but I feel it cheapened them even more. Fair or unfair. If they were to play Oasis songs, at least make them LAG songs. Not from the guy who quit on you all. Overall the band struggled because the songwriting was extremely weak. Gem and Andy great musicians but poor song writers. Noel should never have let them contribute to the latter Oasis albums, just my opinion. Beady Eye lacked any imagination. What makes them great musicians?
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Post by underneaththesky on Jun 21, 2017 11:57:00 GMT -5
more like it (for anyone is so fucking bad)
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jun 21, 2017 15:36:57 GMT -5
For Beady Eye. Was the turning point them playing Oasis songs? Gotcha. The turn occurred once the tour cycle for DGSS was over. Lack of hit singles, album sales and small venues played a part in my opinion. Liam even admits it now. People just weren't responding to the band. Of course the diehards on this forum did but overall a general lack of interest fell on the band. It was always going to be a tough go. Basically Oasis minus Noel, aka the main songwriter. I give them mad props for not playing Oasis songs on that tour. I still defend it. It wasn't gonna help their new identity by playing Oasis classics written by Noel. It just wasn't. Now that's only my opinion but I feel it cheapened them even more. Fair or unfair. If they were to play Oasis songs, at least make them LAG songs. Not from the guy who quit on you all. Overall the band struggled because the songwriting was extremely weak. I think this release of WAG proves it's actually very little to do with the quality of the song (as much as i like it), more the exposure to the name and song you are promoting that gives you that "hit". It is extremely admirable the way Beady Eye did things. Like i said, probably everything was done the wrong way to get exposure. I still think DGSS is underrated and actually some of the album tracks are great little songs. Some lows, but not the disaster its made out by a long long way.
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Post by Flatulating Hallelujah on Jun 21, 2017 15:40:05 GMT -5
Edith those glasses don't suit you dear. Sorry.
Great interview though. I'm surprised Liam can make more than a grunting sound when he's hungover.
Last time I went out I broke my foot.
He needs to go on a proper night out.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 21, 2017 16:14:45 GMT -5
Edith those glasses don't suit you dear. Sorry. Great interview though. I'm surprised Liam can make more than a grunting sound when he's hungover. Last time I went out I broke my foot. He needs to go on a proper night out. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. They look terrible on her. That's a look for a dad from 1985.
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Post by Aman on Jun 21, 2017 16:15:27 GMT -5
Gotcha. The turn occurred once the tour cycle for DGSS was over. Lack of hit singles, album sales and small venues played a part in my opinion. Liam even admits it now. People just weren't responding to the band. Of course the diehards on this forum did but overall a general lack of interest fell on the band. It was always going to be a tough go. Basically Oasis minus Noel, aka the main songwriter. I give them mad props for not playing Oasis songs on that tour. I still defend it. It wasn't gonna help their new identity by playing Oasis classics written by Noel. It just wasn't. Now that's only my opinion but I feel it cheapened them even more. Fair or unfair. If they were to play Oasis songs, at least make them LAG songs. Not from the guy who quit on you all. Overall the band struggled because the songwriting was extremely weak. Gem and Andy great musicians but poor song writers. Noel should never have let them contribute to the latter Oasis albums, just my opinion. Beady Eye lacked any imagination. I'm sure 95% of the forum will agree with this! Best thing Liam did was leave them two behind. Dead weights.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 21, 2017 16:52:35 GMT -5
Gotcha. The turn occurred once the tour cycle for DGSS was over. Lack of hit singles, album sales and small venues played a part in my opinion. Liam even admits it now. People just weren't responding to the band. Of course the diehards on this forum did but overall a general lack of interest fell on the band. It was always going to be a tough go. Basically Oasis minus Noel, aka the main songwriter. I give them mad props for not playing Oasis songs on that tour. I still defend it. It wasn't gonna help their new identity by playing Oasis classics written by Noel. It just wasn't. Now that's only my opinion but I feel it cheapened them even more. Fair or unfair. If they were to play Oasis songs, at least make them LAG songs. Not from the guy who quit on you all. Overall the band struggled because the songwriting was extremely weak. I think this release of WAG proves it's actually very little to do with the quality of the song (as much as i like it), more the exposure to the name and song you are promoting that gives you that "hit". It is extremely admirable the way Beady Eye did things. Like i said, probably everything was done the wrong way to get exposure. I still think DGSS is underrated and actually some of the album tracks are great little songs. Some lows, but not the disaster its made out by a long long way. Songs like Beatles & Stones, For Anyone, Kill for A Dream, Standing On The Edge of Noize and The Beat Goes On have no business being on that album. Very weak.
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