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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 20, 2016 21:02:04 GMT -5
Ok, first off - why the fuck wasn't this a single in the first place?
And secondly - why the fuck wasn't this a single at least for the US (as it was for Japan)?
Let's be honest: DGA was not needed for the UK. The hype for BHN transcended any sort of added promotion. But DGA would have been huge in the Wonderwall obsessed United States.
It's not lengthy, it's poppy, it's 'sweet', and it's very commercial.
It would have had the potential to do very well i the US, and maybe even shift a few extra copies of BHN.
Verdict: Missed opportunity for sure, and for reasons I don't quite know or understand.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 20, 2016 22:05:31 GMT -5
Ok, first off - why the fuck wasn't this a single in the first place? And secondly - why the fuck wasn't this a single at least for the UK (as it was for Japan)? Let's be honest: DGA was not needed for the UK. The hype for BHN transcended any sort of added promotion. But DGA would have been huge in the Wonderwall obsessed United States. It's not lengthy, it's poppy, it's 'sweet', and it's very commercial. It would have had the potential to do very well i the US, and maybe even shift a few extra copies of BHN. Verdict: Missed opportunity for sure, and for reasons I don't quite know or understand.  |
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Post by guigsysEstring on May 20, 2016 22:44:12 GMT -5
1) Because as Noel stated live (G-Mex IIRC?) at that time he was sick of 'poncy love songs' so whether or not it was the best track for a single was irrelevant, especially considering mountainous amounts of 'ego fuel' aren't usually associated with sweet or tender songs of any variation.
2) It was meant to be a fourth single in the UK but got axed IIRC due to the drop off in sales after the first two weeks of release for Be Here Now, added to the already burgeoning backlash against that album and the band in general, and the chaos of the BHN tour.
3) The USA is a hard one to call- on it's own it may not have made a lot of difference given the band had already damaged their standing with the press and wider public with cancelled gigs, fighting, Liam at the MTV awards & Unplugged, etc. The first week sales for BHN of 152,000 against the expected 400,000 would still have happened IMO even with DGA as lead single, but could have been built on instead of fading away by embarking on a full scale US tour in a U2 style backed by some solid gigs and good press.
Unfortunately by the time of the tour the band were in no place mentally and arguably physically to undertake such a task. If it had been my call Knebworth would have signaled the end of the road for three months followed by a proper North American only tour from January still on WTSMG? to make up for lost ground, before reconvening after another two month or so break in June to begin work in earnest on the third album.
As has been said before on here, there were a lot of strange decisions between 1995-1998 and this is only one of many.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 20, 2016 23:46:34 GMT -5
1) Because as Noel stated live (G-Mex IIRC?) at that time he was sick of 'poncy love songs' so whether or not it was the best track for a single was irrelevant, especially considering mountainous amounts of 'ego fuel' aren't usually associated with sweet or tender songs of any variation. 2) It was meant to be a fourth single in the UK but got axed IIRC due to the drop off in sales after the first two weeks of release for Be Here Now, added to the already burgeoning backlash against that album and the band in general, and the chaos of the BHN tour. 3) The USA is a hard one to call- on it's own it may not have made a lot of difference given the band had already damaged their standing with the press and wider public with cancelled gigs, fighting, Liam at the MTV awards & Unplugged, etc. The first week sales for BHN of 152,000 against the expected 400,000 would still have happened IMO even with DGA as lead single, but could have been built on instead of fading away by embarking on a full scale US tour in a U2 style backed by some solid gigs and good press. Unfortunately by the time of the tour the band were in no place mentally and arguably physically to undertake such a task. If it had been my call Knebworth would have signaled the end of the road for three months followed by a proper North American only tour from January still on WTSMG? to make up for lost ground, before reconvening after another two month or so break in June to begin work in earnest on the third album. As has been said before on here, there were a lot of strange decisions between 1995-1998 and this is only one of many. Bottom line, DYKWIM? premiered on US radio and tv early to mid July 1997. Be Here Now didn't come out until the last week in August. By that time DYKWIM was no longer in the charts or on MTV/VH1. Oasis basically had no BHN song promotion and still landed at #2. Only a thousand or so copies from Puff Daddy at #1. I'm very confident DGA would have stuck around in the charts for weeks longer than DYKWIM ever did. That exposure could hav pushed the extra units to capture a US #1. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 2:45:17 GMT -5
Who cares about a #1 in the US ? They released the best song of the album as the first single. It sums up everything Oasis was all about in 1997: a rock'n'roll band with swagger and balls. Only the fact to release DYKWIM? as a first single - an almost 8 minutes song, with 1 minute of helicopters and morse codes for intro - was a ballsy choice.
It was Oasis in 1997, and if americans didn't get it, then shame for them. D'You Know What I Mean? was the perfect single at the perfect time.
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Post by Gas Panic on May 21, 2016 3:14:32 GMT -5
I believe the main reason DGA wasn't a single outside of Japan was because they ran out of bsides. Hence why 2 previously released tracks and a live version of C&A were on the Japanese release.
I think the only song they had ready to go at that point was Helter Skelter that eventually came out on the Who Feels Love single 2 years later.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 6:21:36 GMT -5
I believe the main reason DGA wasn't a single outside of Japan was because they ran out of bsides. Hence why 2 previously released tracks and a live version of C&A were on the Japanese release. I think the only song they had ready to go at that point was Helter Skelter that eventually came out on the Who Feels Love single 2 years later. Sad Song wasn't a bad choice, it was only released on vinyl. |
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Post by Gas Panic on May 21, 2016 7:26:48 GMT -5
I believe the main reason DGA wasn't a single outside of Japan was because they ran out of bsides. Hence why 2 previously released tracks and a live version of C&A were on the Japanese release. I think the only song they had ready to go at that point was Helter Skelter that eventually came out on the Who Feels Love single 2 years later. Sad Song wasn't a bad choice, it was only released on vinyl. And on the Japanese cd version of definitely maybe, the very same market the DGA single was released to  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 21, 2016 8:26:25 GMT -5
Who cares about a #1 in the US ? They released the best song of the album as the first single. It sums up everything Oasis was all about in 1997: a rock'n'roll band with swagger and balls. Only the fact to release DYKWIM? as a first single - an almost 8 minutes song, with 1 minute of helicopters and morse codes for intro - was a ballsy choice. It was Oasis in 1997, and if americans didn't get it, then shame for them. D'You Know What I Mean? was the perfect single at the perfect time. Who cares? Noel Gallagher for starters. He use to say all the time he really wanted Oasis to have a US #1 and Be Here Now was their last shot and they blew it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 8:34:15 GMT -5
dont go away is a fantastic song, it was probably the highest quality song on the album, I wouldve replaced it with stand by me as a single, that song is ok but too long and abit boring.
I personally dont think oasis couldve been anything big in america, if their first two albums didnt cut the cake then I cant of seen them putting anything out after that that could do the job, dont go away or not.
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Post by Gas Panic on May 21, 2016 8:39:16 GMT -5
Who cares about a #1 in the US ? They released the best song of the album as the first single. It sums up everything Oasis was all about in 1997: a rock'n'roll band with swagger and balls. Only the fact to release DYKWIM? as a first single - an almost 8 minutes song, with 1 minute of helicopters and morse codes for intro - was a ballsy choice. It was Oasis in 1997, and if americans didn't get it, then shame for them. D'You Know What I Mean? was the perfect single at the perfect time. Who cares? Noel Gallagher for starters. He use to say all the time he really wanted Oasis to have a US #1 and Be Here Now was their last shot and they blew it. Oasis were so close to conquering America, heaven knows they had the songs. If they just played the game a bit more they could have truly achieved beatles-esque success. Unfortunately Liam's 'fuck America' stance stood in their way of them being the true phemonenom they should have been. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 9:44:33 GMT -5
I believe what you are looking for is...
COCAINE!
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jun 7, 2016 10:22:09 GMT -5
Ok, first off - why the fuck wasn't this a single in the first place? And secondly - why the fuck wasn't this a single at least for the US (as it was for Japan)? Let's be honest: DGA was not needed for the UK. The hype for BHN transcended any sort of added promotion. But DGA would have been huge in the Wonderwall obsessed United States. It's not lengthy, it's poppy, it's 'sweet', and it's very commercial. It would have had the potential to do very well i the US, and maybe even shift a few extra copies of BHN. Verdict: Missed opportunity for sure, and for reasons I don't quite know or understand. Heard 'Don't Go Away' on the radio all the time in 1997.....heard 'Champagne Supernova' on the radio all the time in 1996.....both were basically singles, babe. God bless. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 7, 2016 17:23:29 GMT -5
Ok, first off - why the fuck wasn't this a single in the first place? And secondly - why the fuck wasn't this a single at least for the US (as it was for Japan)? Let's be honest: DGA was not needed for the UK. The hype for BHN transcended any sort of added promotion. But DGA would have been huge in the Wonderwall obsessed United States. It's not lengthy, it's poppy, it's 'sweet', and it's very commercial. It would have had the potential to do very well i the US, and maybe even shift a few extra copies of BHN. Verdict: Missed opportunity for sure, and for reasons I don't quite know or understand. Heard 'Don't Go Away' on the radio all the time in 1997.....heard 'Champagne Supernova' on the radio all the time in 1996.....both were basically singles, babe. God bless. |
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thanks!