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Post by megyesitomate on May 4, 2020 9:54:23 GMT -5
While I love WMWN, the album version of Be Still is one of the worst songs he's ever sung on in my opinion. Hate that tune. Absolutely awful. No idea why people rate it The vocals are dreadful. I can't imagine what was going through their heads when they decided to put that fucking robotic effect on them. And the song's missing another verse as per usual with Liam tunes. Maybe igotflair mentioned it a few months ago that, although Liam's input was heavy regarding the song's lyrics, they had to help him out here and there. Well, if that's the case, why on Earth couldn't they fit another verse in there?! They wouldn't have had to go full Dante, it's just a very basic rocker.
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Post by GlastoEls on May 4, 2020 10:21:08 GMT -5
What's wrong with a basic rocker?
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Post by shamumaybard on May 4, 2020 10:28:29 GMT -5
Hate that tune. Absolutely awful. No idea why people rate it The vocals are dreadful. I can't imagine what was going through their heads when they decided to put that fucking robotic effect on them. And the song's missing another verse as per usual with Liam tunes. Maybe igotflair mentioned it a few months ago that, although Liam's input was heavy regarding the song's lyrics, they had to help him out here and there. Well, if that's the case, why on Earth couldn't they fit another verse in there?! They wouldn't have had to go full Dante, it's just a very basic rocker. I've always compared it to Doesn't Have To Be That Way in my head but that the only similarity is the vocal effects and repetitiveness.
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Post by mancraider on May 4, 2020 11:24:00 GMT -5
The vocals are dreadful. I can't imagine what was going through their heads when they decided to put that fucking robotic effect on them. And the song's missing another verse as per usual with Liam tunes. Maybe igotflair mentioned it a few months ago that, although Liam's input was heavy regarding the song's lyrics, they had to help him out here and there. Well, if that's the case, why on Earth couldn't they fit another verse in there?! They wouldn't have had to go full Dante, it's just a very basic rocker. I've always compared it to Doesn't Have To Be That Way in my head but that the only similarity is the vocal effects and repetitiveness. I think they are similar too, but IDHTBTW is a much better song. Always tempted to hit skip when BS comes on.
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Post by freddy838 on May 4, 2020 11:25:04 GMT -5
It sounds big live but I've never liked how the chorus seems like it's building to something but just ends when he sings Be Still. My least favourite song on the album for sure.
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Post by shamumaybard on May 4, 2020 12:42:09 GMT -5
I've always compared it to Doesn't Have To Be That Way in my head but that the only similarity is the vocal effects and repetitiveness. I think they are similar too, but IDHTBTW is a much better song. Always tempted to hit skip when BS comes on. I probably prefer Be Still atm because it's newer and more fresh in my mind but I generally think it has the worse lyrics of the two.
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Post by igotflair on May 5, 2020 4:28:35 GMT -5
...Maybe igotflair mentioned it a few months ago that, although Liam's input was heavy regarding the song's lyrics, they had to help him out here and there... The whole thing is Liam heavy with regard to the “writing”. Guitar riff especially, it was built around this. I think the lack of another verse is because the guitars were supposed to be the main draw. It was conceived with a huge gig in mind, not for being overproduced on a record. It was one of the first set of 6 recorded. I think it works well live, definitely has a place in the set, although I think The River has kinda unintentionally knocked it outta the park as the big live monster, so so good.
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Post by bt95 on May 5, 2020 15:44:59 GMT -5
...Maybe igotflair mentioned it a few months ago that, although Liam's input was heavy regarding the song's lyrics, they had to help him out here and there... The whole thing is Liam heavy with regard to the “writing”. Guitar riff especially, it was built around this. I think the lack of another verse is because the guitars were supposed to be the main draw. It was conceived with a huge gig in mind, not for being overproduced on a record. It was one of the first set of 6 recorded. I think it works well live, definitely has a place in the set, although I think The River has kinda unintentionally knocked it outta the park as the big live monster, so so good. I think the whole album - actually, no, scratch that, the 'rockers' suffer from that overproduction to a sense. Live, from what I remember at Manc, The River and Be Still were great (and I'm not a big fan of BS), and even Shockwave (which I'm no fan of) sounded good too. The production is fine on the album for the poppier tracks, I just don't think it works for the stompers.
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Post by vespa on May 6, 2020 14:47:53 GMT -5
Problem with be still is the drums instead of a groovy it’s just that pound down drum style and fills the groove .. he’s lucky Heaton parks cancelled he’s way out of shape 😂
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Post by freddy838 on May 9, 2020 10:14:33 GMT -5
...Maybe igotflair mentioned it a few months ago that, although Liam's input was heavy regarding the song's lyrics, they had to help him out here and there... The whole thing is Liam heavy with regard to the “writing”. Guitar riff especially, it was built around this. I think the lack of another verse is because the guitars were supposed to be the main draw. It was conceived with a huge gig in mind, not for being overproduced on a record. It was one of the first set of 6 recorded. I think it works well live, definitely has a place in the set, although I think The River has kinda unintentionally knocked it outta the park as the big live monster, so so good. Out of interest do you have much info on the writing of the rest of the songs on the album? It would be nice to know how it all developed song-by-song as there doesn't seem to be much info out there from what I've seen.
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Post by GlastoEls on May 9, 2020 10:51:40 GMT -5
Done me run, done me yoga, washed the pots, FaceTimed me folks .. now WMWN in the garden sunshine with a couple Peronis.
I love this album..!
He still makes me feel like he did in summer 1994...
My God lots of water under the bridge since then but...
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Post by Rolo on May 9, 2020 15:46:14 GMT -5
Think The River is the best vocal Liam has given since Standing On The Shoulders in the studio, he sounds fucking untouchable, massive.
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Post by igotflair on May 11, 2020 6:36:23 GMT -5
The whole thing is Liam heavy with regard to the “writing”. Guitar riff especially, it was built around this. I think the lack of another verse is because the guitars were supposed to be the main draw. It was conceived with a huge gig in mind, not for being overproduced on a record. It was one of the first set of 6 recorded. I think it works well live, definitely has a place in the set, although I think The River has kinda unintentionally knocked it outta the park as the big live monster, so so good. Out of interest do you have much info on the writing of the rest of the songs on the album? It would be nice to know how it all developed song-by-song as there doesn't seem to be much info out there from what I've seen. I think the lack of information is by design, for obvious reasons. I definitely can’t give a full breakdown, some songs I didn’t hear until you did, especially the ones with the least Liam input. But yeah, I guess when songs are being discussed individually I could bring a little into the mix. I’m interested to know what songs other people think he had the most input in, to me it’s obvious but maybe that’s because I didn’t hear them clean initially.
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Post by freddy838 on May 11, 2020 10:33:05 GMT -5
Out of interest do you have much info on the writing of the rest of the songs on the album? It would be nice to know how it all developed song-by-song as there doesn't seem to be much info out there from what I've seen. I think the lack of information is by design, for obvious reasons. I definitely can’t give a full breakdown, some songs I didn’t hear until you did, especially the ones with the least Liam input. But yeah, I guess when songs are being discussed individually I could bring a little into the mix. I’m interested to know what songs other people think he had the most input in, to me it’s obvious but maybe that’s because I didn’t hear them clean initially. That's fair enough, I know you said there was a demo of The River that was a lot heavier so I guess that's one Liam had a fair amount of input judging from lyrics and the slightly odd structure, One Of Us sounds like his lyrics and kind of anti-chorus, Why Me Why Not sounds like his verses that he gave over to the other writers, Halo sounds like his lyrics in the verses too. Other than that I guess most of the rest of the songs were pretty much done for him.
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Post by morning_rain on May 11, 2020 10:50:06 GMT -5
Out of interest do you have much info on the writing of the rest of the songs on the album? It would be nice to know how it all developed song-by-song as there doesn't seem to be much info out there from what I've seen. I think the lack of information is by design, for obvious reasons. I definitely can’t give a full breakdown, some songs I didn’t hear until you did, especially the ones with the least Liam input. But yeah, I guess when songs are being discussed individually I could bring a little into the mix. I’m interested to know what songs other people think he had the most input in, to me it’s obvious but maybe that’s because I didn’t hear them clean initially. I'd say The River, WMWN, One of us, Halo and Invisible Sun are very Liam, mostly on lyrics. Not in the same way as Bold, where it was very clear in terms of structure and songwriting, but I think he definitely 'helped' in those. And maybe to a lesser extent in NTIFY.
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Post by Rolo on May 11, 2020 10:56:39 GMT -5
Why Me? Why Not absolutely screams Liam. Just don't think he wrote the chorus on his own.
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Post by freddy838 on May 16, 2020 13:27:19 GMT -5
That's fair enough, I know you said there was a demo of The River that was a lot heavier so I guess that's one Liam had a fair amount of input judging from lyrics and the slightly odd structure, One Of Us sounds like his lyrics and kind of anti-chorus, Why Me Why Not sounds like his verses that he gave over to the other writers, Halo sounds like his lyrics in the verses too. Other than that I guess most of the rest of the songs were pretty much done for him. I'd say The River, WMWN, One of us, Halo and Invisible Sun are very Liam, mostly on lyrics. Not in the same way as Bold, where it was very clear in terms of structure and songwriting, but I think he definitely 'helped' in those. And maybe to a lesser extent in NTIFY. The River, of course- lots of Liam input. Not the lyrics tho, some of his original lyrics were transposed into Shockwave. Scream and Shout stayed, we’ve heard this phrase from Liam before, and will again. One of Us, not so much, a couple of lines were switched and replaced out but apart from that it’s very Liam light. Why Me? Why Not almost all of it, his Boy With The Blues v2.0. NTIFY, Noel had just as much input haha. Halo and Invisible Sun, yeah also spot on. Thoughts on the spoken word in Gone? What about Once and Meadow. Not so obvious? Tbh I reckon Once is far too good a song for Liam to have written Meadow possibly, though I can't say I've listened to it in a long time
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Post by shamumaybard on May 16, 2020 16:07:58 GMT -5
In all honesty the likelihood of Liam having high input in a song is directly proportional to how often the words 'sing' and 'song' are used in the lyrics 😂 Not that that's a bad thing I love the simplicity of his lyrics, no overly complex metaphors or rhyming couplets etc.
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Post by jh on May 16, 2020 18:13:49 GMT -5
The River, of course- lots of Liam input. Not the lyrics tho, some of his original lyrics were transposed into Shockwave. Scream and Shout stayed, we’ve heard this phrase from Liam before, and will again. One of Us, not so much, a couple of lines were switched and replaced out but apart from that it’s very Liam light. Why Me? Why Not almost all of it, his Boy With The Blues v2.0. NTIFY, Noel had just as much input haha. Halo and Invisible Sun, yeah also spot on. Thoughts on the spoken word in Gone? What about Once and Meadow. Not so obvious? Tbh I reckon Once is far too good a song for Liam to have written Meadow possibly, though I can't say I've listened to it in a long time Agreed on that Must have been a helping hand some what. Then again if he said a chimp with a sixties fetish wrote the god awful glimmer shit I would believe him.
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Post by jh on May 16, 2020 18:17:31 GMT -5
What's wrong with a basic rocker? Nothing at all.A decent variety of them is what is missing from the last album.. hence my limited listening to a few choice bangers in the last 6 months. This amount of time down the line.. The first album for me bar a few tunes(once, invisible sun, The River) kicks fuck out of trying to hard to please second rather dull album. The album isn't bad..just doesn't have the return to factor of the first.
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Post by morning_rain on May 17, 2020 2:39:59 GMT -5
Thoughts on the spoken word in Gone? What about Once and Meadow. Not so obvious? The spoken word in Gone, when performed in MTV unplugged Liam looked a bit awkward doing it, so I guess it wasn't his idea, but he probably chose the words. The melody from Meadow sounds like Liam, but I don't think he had much input in Once.
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Post by alwaysnow on May 19, 2020 11:28:14 GMT -5
Thoughts on the spoken word in Gone? What about Once and Meadow. Not so obvious? The spoken word in Gone, when performed in MTV unplugged Liam looked a bit awkward doing it, so I guess it wasn't his idea, but he probably chose the words. The melody from Meadow sounds like Liam, but I don't think he had much input in Once. I actually think the opposite. I would guess that Once evolved from a basic idea he had, that laid the framework for the other writers to work with. They shaped up the lyrics, probably added the chorus and made it complete. And I think Meadow is kinda like Chinatown, a song made to sound like it's Liam-penned.
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Post by vespa on May 19, 2020 17:30:08 GMT -5
Think a lot read too much into this people writing songs for him , i think all the tracks are his idea and nothing will pass without his input , the songs I think you’ll find where they’ve had an idea and gave it Liam are tracks like be still and invisible sun that try to recreate his old sound alittle , I think the rest come from acoustic from Liam and they kind of turn them into the pop style tracks ,there very well produced
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Post by modxxii on May 22, 2020 1:52:00 GMT -5
The River is a belter ANNNNDDD Liam vocals are top.
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Post by megyesitomate on May 22, 2020 1:53:50 GMT -5
I want Soul Love back into his setlist. His solo version sound fantastic and his voice is just perfect for it.
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