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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 2:20:51 GMT -5
Haha Bercow is such a pain in their arse. I can’t help but like him sometimes. Haha yeah he made me smile! He’s a lippy little scrote, def struggling with small man syndrome but he’s clearly got some balls. Can’t believe he researched right back to 1604 just so he could respond to May’s intention to have the third meaningful vote with “You Wot Mate? 🖕” 😀
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Post by globe on Mar 19, 2019 14:01:40 GMT -5
Anybody else been watching the progress of the Gammonball Run? About 50 gammons have turned up for it. FAF.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 21, 2019 19:28:40 GMT -5
Another great piece from Philosophy Tube that examines democracy in the light of Brexit from the viewpoints of everyone from Plato to Marx, anarchists to liberals, and from a film about aliens I haven't seen but which sounds pretty good. Highly recommend people give this one a watch.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 27, 2019 13:36:37 GMT -5
Good to hear May will be resigning after a Bexit deal is made. I could never stand her.
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Post by mimmihopps on Mar 27, 2019 14:33:40 GMT -5
Good to hear May will be resigning after a Bexit deal is made. I could never stand her. What would you have done if you're in the same position as she's in now? The whole Brexit is completely mess and waste of time.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 27, 2019 14:38:50 GMT -5
Good to hear May will be resigning after a Bexit deal is made. I could never stand her. What would you have done if you're in the same position as she's in now? The whole Brexit is completely mess and waste of time. I have no idea. I still don’t understand why May is presiding over Brexit when she was in support of remaining. That’s a massive conflict of interest. She should have resigned a long time ago. HOWEVER, while I would have voted to remain, I am not in support of a second referendum - which would make a mockery of our democratic system. Elections and votes have consequences. I absolutely hate the UK’s referendum concept - it’s minimizes complex issues into a populist binary choice.
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Post by matt on Mar 27, 2019 16:13:29 GMT -5
It’s just one big massive fucking power grab for all those c*nts in government. May didn’t fully commit to Remain in the campaign because she knew she’d be in pole position if Remain lost and Cameron resigned. Turned out the only skill she had was that devious political maneuvering.
And now rinse, repeat for every other PM contender in the Tory party.
In a perverse way, I hope the farce continues just so that the Tory party just implodes. No doubt the most incompetent bunch of bastards to ever run this country. And to think they campaigned on the idea of ‘coalition of chaos’ if Ed Miliband was PM!
From a personal perspective, I’d vote for Scotland to go independent tomorrow. For English folk, I hope a real alternative to those cretins comes to full fruition, and I don’t just mean a return to the status quo as it was before this right wing demonic clusterfuck. Its a surreal time when we’re told that Michael Heseltines words at the rally on Saturday were seen as wise and prophetic, when in actual fact it was just common sense some years back.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 27, 2019 16:17:27 GMT -5
What would you have done if you're in the same position as she's in now? The whole Brexit is completely mess and waste of time. I have no idea. I still don’t understand why May is presiding over Brexit when she was in support of remaining. That’s a massive conflict of interest. She should have resigned a long time ago. HOWEVER, while I would have voted to remain, I am not in support of a second referendum - which would make a mockery of our democratic system. Elections and votes have consequences. I absolutely hate the UK’s referendum concept - it’s minimizes complex issues into a populist binary choice. I think just one of the reasons why Brexit is such a clusterfuck is that for a long time, elections have not been meaningful: there has been no realistic choice for people outside of hardline capitalism and slightly-less hardline capitalism since the 1970's. When a population has such a limited range of choice, and such little involvement with the important decision-making anyway, lots of propaganda has to be created to make them feel that elections are meaningful and that their vote matters - even leaving aside racism, this can create all sorts of dissonant feelings, including but not limited to confusion, resentment, and frustration. These feelings have been flung everywhere - Europe, the Tories, migrants, Labour, Muslims, whoever, whenever. Whatever sells that week. Then, without any context, a more meaningful (and, as you say, binary) vote that symbolised a lot of these groups was dropped into the maelstrom - and it was done so with no back-up plan from the Tories. This was a stupid idea stupidly executed. I have no great opinion on a second referendum. For me, none of this has been democratic, so I have no great objections or support for it - I think what is more important going forward is that we recognise this political disaster was not the fault of the ordinary people, whether they voted Leave or Remain or didn't vote at all, but of the wider context that this situation shoved itself into without a second thought. Britain has been failed here by the media, by the state, and by the Tories, and it has been failed for a long time. It was not the inclusion of democracy that has made this such a fuck-up, but the long-term lack of it.
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Post by matt on Mar 27, 2019 16:36:19 GMT -5
What would you have done if you're in the same position as she's in now? The whole Brexit is completely mess and waste of time. I have no idea. I still don’t understand why May is presiding over Brexit when she was in support of remaining. That’s a massive conflict of interest. She should have resigned a long time ago. HOWEVER, while I would have voted to remain, I am not in support of a second referendum - which would make a mockery of our democratic system. Elections and votes have consequences. I absolutely hate the UK’s referendum concept - it’s minimizes complex issues into a populist binary choice. ‘Mockery of our democratic system’? Sorry what, that is a flimsy principle - pseudo-intellectual bullshit with no basis at all. What the fuck is a democratic system when the referendum was based on lies and corruption? Where the fuck is the ‘system’. You tell me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 5:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Mar 30, 2019 9:48:05 GMT -5
Although I am a massive supporter of another referendum (I even went to the march last week), I despair at the liberal metropolitan commentators in Fleet Street (who do have it easy and operate in their own bubble) who think that (a) this is simply David Cameron’s fault and (b) think staying in the EU will eradicate the extreme divisions in the country.
For certain, Cameron and co are perpetrators but part of a system that is falling apart at the seams that was rotting well before Cameron fired the starting pistol. It only takes one glance on many of our doorsteps to see the severe economic and social problems communities are in. Politicians in an archaic system and structure with media commentators similarly living in their own bubble just can’t relate - they’ll never immerse themselves in such an environment or even enter them and thus will never have that empathy required to seriously sort out these problems. With regards to these fascists wanting us out and marching in Parliament Square yesterday, well I don’t think people aren’t born racist and also, shocking social conditions can lead people towards racism. There’s a lot of emotional trauma going on in these places and that causes loss of empathy, loss of compassion and loss of patience. No jobs (or more specifically no meaningful jobs, no welfare, no sense of community or integrated services of networks and support, no recreational opportunities - absolutely nothing to live for.
It then makes people vulnerable to lies and propaganda that prey on these insecurities (e.g. using immigrants and ‘foreigners’ as scapegoats), making the mind more susceptible to brainwashing from the media and politicians who have halcyon delusions of an imperial past that can be regained. There’s a deluded sense of nationalistic superiority from those with power that many people who lack an identity or purpose because of the social situation they are in can easily latch on to.
The EU isn’t perfect, but it does a lot of good, and it can protect us from the worst excesses of the right wing economic policies of the Conservatives. A fish rots from the head and that responsibility lies with those with the real power to turn a disparate and wandering nation of people into a nation of sustainable communities with high levels of wellbeing. Staying in the EU is a small step back from the brink, but until people get it into their heads that it is only the start of a process, remaining will only ever be a sticking plaster over a massive gaping wound. It is worrying however that I think this will only become apparent when it is too late, and that while we may not see this immediately (the build ups to major international crises like world wars or recession were decades in the making), what we are seeing with all the division and strife is just a tremor in the breakdown of democracy.
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Post by globe on Mar 30, 2019 16:18:04 GMT -5
matt I agree with much of what you say there matt, however the state of most of those kunts on thon march in London yesterday tells me that there are simply lots of just lots of racist kunts out there which Brexit has allowed to crawl from out from their rock. And for me that has nothing to do with deprivation or feeling like you have been forgotten about etc. The likes of Farage and thon little rat faced kunt Yaxley Lennon fanning the flames. Honestly, I cannot wait for IndyRef 2 to get us as far away to fuck from this lot as possible.
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Post by matt on Mar 30, 2019 18:41:13 GMT -5
matt I agree with much of what you say there matt, however the state of most of those kunts on thon march in London yesterday tells me that there are simply lots of just lots of racist kunts out there which Brexit has allowed to crawl from out from their rock. And for me that has nothing to do with deprivation or feeling like you have been forgotten about etc. The likes of Farage and thon little rat faced kunt Yaxley Lennon fanning the flames. Honestly, I cannot wait for IndyRef 2 to get us as far away to fuck from this lot as possible. Ah yes, I definitely agree. I was referring more to the fact that some vulnerable folk are led to believe that immigration is a problem without them being necessarily fascist, but of course, nasty c*nts that you saw yesterday are beyond redemption. It’s ironic, I’ll vote for Scottish independence right now even though I live in London, as opposed to five years ago when I lived in Glasgow and voted to remain. I don’t see it as hypocritical in any way - it’s nothing against England but the institutional structure that has failed the entire country spectacularly. I’d love to see assemblies with real power dispersed throughout the country and further weaken that cesspit. I look at it and I just can’t believe the Conservatives aren’t in single figures in opinion polls - the fact they can preside over such a catastrophe like this and still have a chance of coming out top of a potential election is fucked up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 5:44:53 GMT -5
Please tell me this was an April fools joke.
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Post by matt on Apr 3, 2019 15:34:20 GMT -5
The army now using pictures of Corbyn for target practice. This country is in a very very dark place.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 12, 2019 16:03:48 GMT -5
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Post by matt on May 8, 2019 11:26:03 GMT -5
Now that the local elections are over, I hope we see a bit more movement on Corbyns side to go for a people’s vote. Frame it with the success of Corbynomics in Brexit supporting Preston - how deindustrialised parochial towns can regenerate themselves even within the EU. www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/how-preston-uk-s-most-improved-city-became-success-story-corbynomicsTories can’t touch that success story with a barge pole given they are the reason for such small town failures, Corbyn can however capitalise. There’s so much to convince areas like Preston that staying in the EU could regenerate their areas. They cut through the media noise with the election campaign two years ago, I don’t see any reason why they can’t do similar here.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 24, 2019 9:05:42 GMT -5
Mayexit, innit.
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Post by matt on May 24, 2019 15:05:45 GMT -5
May in tears. Media fawning all over it. Showing her ‘human side’ and ‘evokes sympathy’ apparently. Cry me a fucking river.
It might sound cliched to say ‘what about the migrants she mistreated’ ‘what about those suffering from welfare cuts’ or ‘what about Grenfell victims’ or ‘what about the Windrush generation’, but it really isn’t. The only thing it reveals is that it reflects badly on the journalists and media (even those who disliked her) who are trying to evoke a sense of sympathy over this. If the same journalists showed half the emotion and humanity towards those individuals whose lives have been destroyed by the government, then maybe people would have a bit more respect for the media that they feel neglects them. That’s the problem with journalists - it’s just a game, and it’s a piece of theatre with no comprehension about how damaging this is to all us ordinary people.
These journalists can’t quite comprehend what is going on in the real world. In that aspect, they’re almost as bad as politicians themselves. It’s beyond pathetic.
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Post by mimmihopps on May 25, 2019 5:21:44 GMT -5
So Boris the bear is taking an another chance or not? Oh dear.
We have an another idiot (a party leader) who wants The Nederland to exit European Union. This man supports anti-abortion, a good "friend" with Russia and said that women should be behind a kitchen sink.
Shut up your stupid mouth and go away. This is ano 2019, not 1940's!
#Powerofthewomen
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 25, 2019 12:07:48 GMT -5
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Post by batfink30 on May 25, 2019 14:40:24 GMT -5
Time to get stockpiling food and meds again for the October no deal. I fucking despair at this shit show.
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Post by Binary Sunset on May 25, 2019 19:28:45 GMT -5
What would you have done if you're in the same position as she's in now? The whole Brexit is completely mess and waste of time. I have no idea. I still don’t understand why May is presiding over Brexit when she was in support of remaining. That’s a massive conflict of interest. She should have resigned a long time ago. HOWEVER, while I would have voted to remain, I am not in support of a second referendum - which would make a mockery of our democratic system. Elections and votes have consequences. I absolutely hate the UK’s referendum concept - it’s minimizes complex issues into a populist binary choice. You are in favor of several things that are mockeries of our democratic system.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on May 26, 2019 8:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by thomaslivesforever on May 26, 2019 8:37:14 GMT -5
Would take him over Boris or any of the other Tory cretins to be fair.
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