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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 21, 2016 22:02:18 GMT -5
Brexit - Should the UK Leave the EU? Not really following it as of yet, but on a hunch I would say NO. Surely leaving would gravely fuck up the economy. Thoughts? Also, what the fuck is up with all these referendums? I'm damn pleased the US doesn't work on such populist nonsense. Good BBC Summation: www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 22, 2016 0:25:39 GMT -5
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Post by Ross on Feb 22, 2016 4:39:01 GMT -5
Also, what the fuck is up with all these referendums? I'm damn pleased the US doesn't work on such populist nonsense. This is only the third referendum involving the whole of the UK. The first in 1975 was about membership of what is now the EU. The second was on the voting system and that was in 2011. So we it is not a very British thing to do and i doubt we would be having this one if it wasn't for the 1975 vote.
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Post by globe on Feb 22, 2016 11:45:48 GMT -5
I hope the majority of people in England, Wales and N. Ireland vote to leave. The beginning of the end of the UK.
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Post by scott1 on Feb 22, 2016 12:12:27 GMT -5
The real question - is there an uglier word to say or read than fucking "Brexit"?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:59:11 GMT -5
I really don't know tbh, its one of those things that we likely will never know what will happen if we leave until we actually do it, might be good but its likely to have its own drawbacks however like someone said this deal DC has made isnt amazing per say and this is before we vote when you would think they would give us anything we like to make us stay.
all I can say is people need to decide and stick with it because I dont want another scottish referendum where they voted to stay and have since moaned about staying and are wanting another vote, you had your chance, you decided, move on, end of story.
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Post by globe on Feb 23, 2016 3:56:02 GMT -5
I really don't know tbh, its one of those things that we likely will never know what will happen if we leave until we actually do it, might be good but its likely to have its own drawbacks however like someone said this deal DC has made isnt amazing per say and this is before we vote when you would think they would give us anything we like to make us stay. all I can say is people need to decide and stick with it because I dont want another scottish referendum where they voted to stay and have since moaned about staying and are wanting another vote, you had your chance, you decided, move on, end of story. What have we been moaning about like?
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Post by Ross on Feb 23, 2016 6:09:07 GMT -5
I hope the majority of people in England, Wales and N. Ireland vote to leave. The beginning of the end of the UK. Is there evidence that the majority of Scotland is pro EU and would favour independence if there was a no vote?
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Post by frjdoasis on Feb 23, 2016 6:56:18 GMT -5
I'd say no, but let's make a similar poll for "Dave Sardy and the music world"
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 23, 2016 8:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Feb 23, 2016 8:36:42 GMT -5
I hope the majority of people in England, Wales and N. Ireland vote to leave. The beginning of the end of the UK. Is there evidence that the majority of Scotland is pro EU and would favour independence if there was a no vote? That's what all the polls certainly suggest, yes.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 23, 2016 9:47:55 GMT -5
I hope the majority of people in England, Wales and N. Ireland vote to leave. The beginning of the end of the UK. Don't you reckon it's a good job Scotland voted against independence though, given the fall in North Sea oil revenue?
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Post by globe on Feb 23, 2016 10:05:58 GMT -5
I hope the majority of people in England, Wales and N. Ireland vote to leave. The beginning of the end of the UK. Don't you reckon it's a good job Scotland voted against independence though, given the fall in North Sea oil revenue? Not really, it will come back again. Oil prices have always been pretty volatile.
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Post by Ross on Feb 23, 2016 12:38:29 GMT -5
Don't you reckon it's a good job Scotland voted against independence though, given the fall in North Sea oil revenue? Not really, it will come back again. Oil prices have always been pretty volatile. Also people forget that had the vote gone in favour of independence there would have been a number of months (maybe even a couple of years) of fraught negotiations before independence came to fruition. So a large part of this period of downturn in the oil price would have been when Scotland remain part of Britain.
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Post by Ross on Feb 23, 2016 12:40:08 GMT -5
Is there evidence that the majority of Scotland is pro EU and would favour independence if there was a no vote? That's what all the polls certainly suggest, yes. Even though this would mean having the Euro.
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Post by andybellwillring on Feb 23, 2016 12:49:00 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 13:50:29 GMT -5
I really don't know tbh, its one of those things that we likely will never know what will happen if we leave until we actually do it, might be good but its likely to have its own drawbacks however like someone said this deal DC has made isnt amazing per say and this is before we vote when you would think they would give us anything we like to make us stay. all I can say is people need to decide and stick with it because I dont want another scottish referendum where they voted to stay and have since moaned about staying and are wanting another vote, you had your chance, you decided, move on, end of story. What have we been moaning about like? apologies I made that sound generalised, at every given opportunity theres someone from the SNP saying shit like "this will trigger another referendum for scottish independance" or making some comment towards getting another referendum like they wernt told the first one was real and not a rehearsal, only yesterday in parliament when they were discussing leaving europe we get another comment about them "being forced out of the EU then we should have another referendum for scotland"......I just think why? people in scotland will get to vote over europe too, its not like they arnt getting a say and britain will drag them away....
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 23, 2016 14:42:30 GMT -5
Its unthinkable that the Scots should remain in the union with an out vote. All the infomation I have seen so far suggests that the scots are in the main pro europe as a nation. Devolution doesn't gives the Scots choice in this matter and its to important for it to be decided by some Daily Mail readers in England.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 23, 2016 14:45:11 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Feb 23, 2016 16:05:31 GMT -5
SNP will be secretly hoping it's a vote to leave. Those idiots would happily see us live in caves if it meant 'freedom' (insert other cliched shortbread tin stereotypes the SNP like to push). It won't be a vote to leave however. Because this c*nt is on the Leave bandwagon.
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Post by Ross on Feb 23, 2016 17:52:34 GMT -5
Its unthinkable that the Scots should remain in the union with an out vote. Why, maybe the majority of Scots simply do not want independence.
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Post by globe on Feb 24, 2016 3:41:45 GMT -5
I never intended to turn this thread into a debate on Scotland, but there appears to be a few points I need to address. That's what all the polls certainly suggest, yes. Even though this would mean having the Euro. Why would we have to use the Euro? If the UK votes to stay in the EU, will the UK be using the Euro? England does not own the pound. SNP will be secretly hoping it's a vote to leave. Those idiots would happily see us live in caves if it meant 'freedom' (insert other cliched shortbread tin stereotypes the SNP like to push). C'mon Matt, you are more intelligent than that. I voted Yes, all my colleagues at work bar one voted Yes (funnily enough the only No voter at my work is also from Orkney), my English wife voted Yes. Supporters of Scotland leaving the UK are not raving nationalist looking for "freedom", I'm not a nationalist, none of my colleagues are nationalists, I don't even like most of the SNP politicians (although I think Sturgeon is great), I simply want to put Scotland in a position where the government of the day have at least some kind of connection with the majority of the population, not privileged Eton squares who look down their noses at ordinary folk. What have we been moaning about like? apologies I made that sound generalised, at every given opportunity theres someone from the SNP saying shit like "this will trigger another referendum for scottish independance" or making some comment towards getting another referendum like they wernt told the first one was real and not a rehearsal, only yesterday in parliament when they were discussing leaving europe we get another comment about them "being forced out of the EU then we should have another referendum for scotland"......I just think why? people in scotland will get to vote over europe too, its not like they arnt getting a say and britain will drag them away.... Fair enough, you have to realise though that yes, the majority of people here voted to stay in the UK, but lots of those people now feel a bit conned by some of the promises they were made by the No campaign and if the UK does vote to leave the EU, then a lot of those people's minds may want a second chance to vote on leaving the UK as all the polls up here suggest the vast majority want to stay in the EU. It's the SNP's job to represent those folk at Westminster. You call it moaning, it's political debate.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 24, 2016 3:58:41 GMT -5
Its unthinkable that the Scots should remain in the union with an out vote. Why, maybe the majority of Scots simply do not want independence. I was glad Scotland remained in the Union and yes a majority in Scotland supported that but you don't think an out vote could change that feeling dramatically in Scotland?
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Post by Ross on Feb 24, 2016 4:28:13 GMT -5
I never intended to turn this thread into a debate on Scotland, but there appears to be a few points I need to address. Even though this would mean having the Euro. Why would we have to use the Euro? If the UK votes to stay in the EU, will the UK be using the Euro? England does not own the pound. It is not about ownership of the pound, as it stands all new countries that join the EU have to have the euro. And it is my hunch that if we left the EU that it would be the beginning of the end for the remaining EU countries that did not have the Euro. You will see them being forced to accept the Euro or leave the EU.
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Post by globe on Feb 24, 2016 6:45:49 GMT -5
I never intended to turn this thread into a debate on Scotland, but there appears to be a few points I need to address. Why would we have to use the Euro? If the UK votes to stay in the EU, will the UK be using the Euro? England does not own the pound. It is not about ownership of the pound, as it stands all new countries that join the EU have to have the euro. And it is my hunch that if we left the EU that it would be the beginning of the end for the remaining EU countries that did not have the Euro. You will see them being forced to accept the Euro or leave the EU. This was debated to death during the independence referendum, there is no reason why Scotland could not use the pound.
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