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Post by carlober on Jan 23, 2016 6:02:52 GMT -5
So was Everybody's on the run (during the tour) Oh and The Death Of You And Me was written in Scotland, wasn't it? He said that recently. It does my head in when I know something, but can't find it back. About EOTR: " I had more or less finished it when it was posted to YouTube" (source: www.spin.com/2011/10/noel-gallagher-tells-stories-about-solo-lp/)This probably means that he wrote it during the tour, so it wasn't around during the recording sessions for DOYS. |
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Post by andybellwillring on Jan 23, 2016 6:05:12 GMT -5
Andy had made a 5-track demo and put the running order of the songs from what he considered the best to worst; TNOR was the last song... Enter Noel, who liked the riff enough to put what Andy considered the worst song of the five on the album. Just out of curiosity, do you know what the rest of the order looked like? Nah, I think I read what my original post stated in some kind of track-by-track interview from around 2008, iirc. It should be around the internet somewhere. |
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Post by popromancer on Jan 23, 2016 7:01:09 GMT -5
So was Everybody's on the run (during the tour) Oh and The Death Of You And Me was written in Scotland, wasn't it? He said that recently. It does my head in when I know something, but can't find it back. About EOTR: " I had more or less finished it when it was posted to YouTube" (source: www.spin.com/2011/10/noel-gallagher-tells-stories-about-solo-lp/)This probably means that he wrote it during the tour, so it wasn't around during the recording sessions for DOYS. During recording sessions in LA of doys, noel and gem were apparently doing some 'side sessions', recording demos of new songs. This possibly included: stranded on the wrong beach, soldier boys and jesus freaks, freaky teeth and dream on. Please find more info in this thread: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/81890/ |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 23, 2016 7:06:40 GMT -5
So when those "side sessions" took place, it was the last week of mixing the album. That means it was too late to record them anyway.
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Post by jaq515 on Jan 23, 2016 8:00:40 GMT -5
So if it was the last week of mixing when Liam fucked off to England how would that relevant to him not being able to record vocals for RM etc.
Or the flip side is they were still recording material and wasn't the last week and why Sardy was freaking out saying we should record these songs as a band.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 23, 2016 8:08:19 GMT -5
I don't think Noel sabotaged it because he wanted it to be bad, he was just being petty by not getting RM and STC finished.
This is the same bloke who put two songs on SOTSOG he considered 'shit'.
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Post by noelygthelegend on Jan 23, 2016 9:47:34 GMT -5
no liam went off half way through to get married, if them first 7 sings were trying to sabbotage an album I'd love to see him put full effort in. aswell if as everybody was saying that he was planning to leave he wouldn't have gone almost a year without doing it imo. however in the last 4-5 months I would think they were both fed up.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 23, 2016 10:11:56 GMT -5
no liam went off half way through to get married, if them first 7 sings were trying to sabbotage an album I'd love to see him put full effort in. aswell if as everybody was saying that he was planning to leave he wouldn't have gone almost a year without doing it imo. however in the last 4-5 months I would think they were both fed up. If you want to put out the best album you can you wait a few weeks to finish the record. Its not that hard really. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2016 10:16:16 GMT -5
no liam went off half way through to get married, if them first 7 sings were trying to sabbotage an album I'd love to see him put full effort in. aswell if as everybody was saying that he was planning to leave he wouldn't have gone almost a year without doing it imo. however in the last 4-5 months I would think they were both fed up. If you want to put out the best album you can you wait a few weeks to finish the record. Its not that hard really. Personally, I think it was due to Noel being vengeful, if anything. "Ok, RKID if you want to fuck off to a poxy marriage, then don't you think you'll come back and record the songs then, yer twat. Get fucked." I really think that scenario is the most likely of all theories posited on here. |
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Post by noelygthelegend on Jan 23, 2016 10:20:53 GMT -5
If you want to put out the best album you can you wait a few weeks to finish the record. Its not that hard really. Personally, I think it was due to Noel being vengeful, if anything. "Ok, RKID if you want to fuck off to a poxy marriage, then don't you think you'll come back and record the songs then, yer twat. Get fucked." I really think that scenario is the most likely of all theories posited on here. you're dead right on the tour they just got sick of each other aswell |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 23, 2016 10:24:56 GMT -5
If you want to put out the best album you can you wait a few weeks to finish the record. Its not that hard really. Personally, I think it was due to Noel being vengeful, if anything. "Ok, RKID if you want to fuck off to a poxy marriage, then don't you think you'll come back and record the songs then, yer twat. Get fucked." I really think that scenario is the most likely of all theories posited on here. Yeah I agree. That pettiness did Oasis's final record a great disservice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 11:06:51 GMT -5
If you want to put out the best album you can you wait a few weeks to finish the record. Its not that hard really. Personally, I think it was due to Noel being vengeful, if anything. "Ok, RKID if you want to fuck off to a poxy marriage, then don't you think you'll come back and record the songs then, yer twat. Get fucked." I really think that scenario is the most likely of all theories posited on here. it seems to me that their relationship took a dive around that DBTT time, probably shouldve parted ways after that long tour, going straight back in the studio for DOYS probably wasnt the best idea, Liam clearly wasnt that committed to it to go off and get married in the middle of it but I agree that at that stage in oasis they didnt need to prove anything like a new band would to their record label, they couldve easily taken as much time as they needed to get it done so to me it could say that Noel wasnt all that bothered, the DOYS tour on the whole was mostly shite because of their apparent boredem with the whole thing. Noel said he didnt plan going solo but I have a different opinion tbh, I cant of seen Noel carrying on with oasis after that whole cycle. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 23, 2016 11:16:50 GMT -5
Liam got married on Valentinesday 2008. That's hardly near the end. Make of that what you want.
Also, good thing they split up. I don't want an album filled with LAG and the whole band looking bored, people fighting and all.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 23, 2016 11:17:37 GMT -5
If you want to put out the best album you can you wait a few weeks to finish the record. Its not that hard really. Personally, I think it was due to Noel being vengeful, if anything. "Ok, RKID if you want to fuck off to a poxy marriage, then don't you think you'll come back and record the songs then, yer twat. Get fucked." I really think that scenario is the most likely of all theories posited on here. EUREKA. THAT MUST BE IT!!!1!!1  |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jan 23, 2016 11:20:58 GMT -5
on the cd-rom of the DOYS songbook the nme gave away a couple of weeks before its release noel said something similair to " this is the album we've been leding up to since andy and gem joined which makes me think where do we go next" and that lads and lasses is the answer right ther did noel sabotage DOYS
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 11:28:08 GMT -5
yarp but I honestly think Liam was putting out some great stuff on those last couple of albums, obviously not Noel standard but with Noel seemingly contributing towards melody etc he had some good stuff, Liam tends to write very similiar songs so he doesnt get much of a scope out there though they are either 2 minute rockers or acoustic ballads really. Some of Liam's songs are quite good, like I'm Outta Time, Songbird and Born On A Different Cloud, but they're SO Lennon it hurts. yea many follow a very similiar pattern, its like that new song its alright now, dont get me wrong I like it but its the same thing again, no real chorus and "lay it on me" loop at the end (boy with the blues), if he ever wanted to do a solo record he would need to break out of his lennon styled stuff and maybe do something different like Noel did with BOTMI. Liam can write decent songs imo he just seems to follow similiar patterns when writing. |
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Jan 23, 2016 11:37:13 GMT -5
Yeah I agree man. Beat goes on for me is by far the best track out of the demos. But it would have been like having whatever on definitley maybe. Sore thumb syndrome.
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Post by Adam on Jan 23, 2016 14:48:58 GMT -5
As i said before, it was a matter, probably, of deadline. Records are finished months, sometimes a year before they are released. The sessions were probably close to being finished, studio time expiring (Abbey Road isnt actually cheap) when Liam decided to leave. Then mixing was underway and mastering after that. It was just too late. Dave Sardy doesn't live in the uk and probably got back home by then. Apparently Sessions were also complicated by U2 booking the studio when Oasis wanted it... "For the recording of Dig Out Your Soul, Oasis reunited with Don't Believe the Truth producer Dave Sardy at Abbey Road Studios in Westminster.[5] Sessions began in July/August 2007 and concluded around Christmas with intermittent breaks.[2][3][6][7] There was a brief period of confusion in which it seemed that Oasis would have had to forgo recording at Abbey Road due to U2 having reserved the recording areas that Oasis wished to use far in advance. The issue was resolved when Noel bought U2's spot in cash without the band’s knowledge; this was possible due to the fact that the studios gave preference to cash payments over credit, which U2 had been booked with.[8]" www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/oasis-booted-u2-from-abbey-road-with-cash-166361We'll never know the real story but the truth probably lie inbetween : Liam not respecting schedule and Noel being a bit too harsh about it + some fights during the sessions + complicated studio time. You think Noel is lying but Liam wasn't exactly toooo professional back then... In Oasis, Noel had a lot more pressure than Liam, dealing with all aspects of the band while Liam was just here to sing. You gotta take that into account to understand why Noel was fed up. I agree. The truth most likely lies in the middle. Noel completely overreacted, and I agree with Rolo . If Noel wanted the vocals, he would have had them. Vocals can be done anywhere. Not like the 70's where the environment of the recording matters in the mixing and mastering. He could have booked any studio between here and the U.K., and once again, music isn't recorded on reels anymore. Even in 2008, there were multiple platforms to share music without losing fidelity during the mixing. Besides, if the guy you have mixing can't incorporate two extra vocals a couple days late, that is to say, hold off on a couple songs prior to mixing, then you have a crap mixer. However, I'm sorry, but Liam can't be absolved of all blame. I don't care if it was three days. Be a professional. Liam also could have planned that wedding from then until god knows when. He knew he had obligations. He knew his band was on a schedule. He knew money was spent to book a studio. He knew all those things when he booked that wedding, and didn't care. And no one can tell me he didn't know he would piss off Noel by going and not telling him. It's a microcosm of Liam. NEVER able to handle responsibility, as evident in Beady Eye. NEVER able to see the big picture. When you're the guy in the studio every day like Noel is. When you're the guy who has to answer everyone at anytime, and put out any fires that occur, when someone shows the obvious disrespect of knowingly putting more on your plate without a care in the world, then it's obvious why Noel was pissed. And to lose respect for Noel for not being a pushover is quite frankly, bullshit. I think in the end, Noel was tired of appeasing, and moving on. It's easier to sit here and say, well why couldn't he be enough of a grown-up to just move on and do the vocals. It's always easier to ask the other person to just suck it up one more time for the sake of the band. Not to paint Noel as a martyr or Liam as the devil, but it's not all too difficult to see Noel's point of view. tl;dr It fell upon both Noel and Liam to be more grown-up. This is a great post and has had me thinking about the chances of a solo Liam record since I read it. Does Liam have the drive to go through the writing and recording process alone? I sure hope so and hope his recent Twitter remarks are a smoke screen. |
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Post by Adam on Jan 23, 2016 15:00:52 GMT -5
But on topic... Noel cared about the legacy of Oasis too much to purposefully sabotage their last record. I think he felt he had to include X amount of songs from the others and went with what he felt was best for the album. Whether we, the fans, agree with him is another matter.
I don't subscribe to the theory he was hoarding songs for a solo career. I don't even think he had thoughts of a solo career beyond Oasis, just an album or two on the side between records. The fact that Record Machine, Come On Outside / It's Alright and god knows how many others weren't recorded during this period doesn't mean he never intended for Liam to sing them on a future Oasis album.
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Post by World71R on Jan 23, 2016 15:05:50 GMT -5
Personally, I think it was due to Noel being vengeful, if anything. "Ok, RKID if you want to fuck off to a poxy marriage, then don't you think you'll come back and record the songs then, yer twat. Get fucked." I really think that scenario is the most likely of all theories posited on here. , probably shouldve parted ways after that long tour, going straight back in the studio for DOYS probably wasnt the best idea, Liam clearly wasnt that committed to it to go off and get married in the middle of it but I agree that at that stage in oasis they didnt need to prove anything like a new band would to their record label, they couldve easily taken as much time as they needed to get it done so to me it could say that Noel wasnt all that bothered, the DOYS tour on the whole was mostly shite because of their apparent boredem with the whole thing. Noel said he didnt plan going solo but I have a different opinion tbh, I cant of seen Noel carrying on with oasis after that whole cycle. I think it was going well until after the Brits. They had their small fights on the DBTT tour, but they're brothers, so naturally that's going to happen. I think the post-Brits thing was more serious since Noel basically told Liam to get his voice together or be done, and when you combine that with being stuck in a studio together for about three months working on an album & Liam bailing on the sessions, to get married, it brews into something very nasty. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 23, 2016 15:15:12 GMT -5
But on topic... Noel cared about the legacy of Oasis too much to purposefully sabotage their last record. I think he felt he had to include X amount of songs from the others and went with what he felt was best for the album. Whether we, the fans, agree with him is another matter. I don't subscribe to the theory he was hoarding songs for a solo career. I don't even think he had thoughts of a solo career beyond Oasis, just an album or two on the side between records. The fact that Record Machine, Come On Outside / It's Alright and god knows how many others weren't recorded during this period doesn't mean he never intended for Liam to sing them on a future Oasis album. He's also said he planned for EOTR, Stranded on the wrong beach, Dream On and..ehm..something else I can't remember (Broken Arrow perhaps?) to be on the next Oasis album had they not split up. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2016 15:19:37 GMT -5
Next thread topic, I can see it now: "Is Noel part of the Illumanti and actually banished Liam for the DOYS recordings so Noel could keep his own songs for world domination. Mwahahahahaha. ha."
Erm. Exactly.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 23, 2016 15:23:16 GMT -5
Next thread topic, I can see it now: "Is Noel part of the Illumanti and actually banished Liam for the DOYS recordings so Noel could keep his own songs for world domination. Mwahahahahaha. ha." Erm. Exactly. Isn't that basically what this thread's been about the whole time? |
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Post by Adam on Jan 23, 2016 15:23:49 GMT -5
But on topic... Noel cared about the legacy of Oasis too much to purposefully sabotage their last record. I think he felt he had to include X amount of songs from the others and went with what he felt was best for the album. Whether we, the fans, agree with him is another matter. I don't subscribe to the theory he was hoarding songs for a solo career. I don't even think he had thoughts of a solo career beyond Oasis, just an album or two on the side between records. The fact that Record Machine, Come On Outside / It's Alright and god knows how many others weren't recorded during this period doesn't mean he never intended for Liam to sing them on a future Oasis album. He's also said he planned for EOTR, Stranded on the wrong beach, Dream On and..ehm..something else I can't remember (Broken Arrow perhaps?) to be on the next Oasis album had they not split up. From the amount of nerves he initially showed when he first performed solo, I imagine the thought of being a solo artist daunted him rather than spurred him on. Hence the creation of 'The High Flying Birds'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 15:25:10 GMT -5
But on topic... Noel cared about the legacy of Oasis too much to purposefully sabotage their last record. I think he felt he had to include X amount of songs from the others and went with what he felt was best for the album. Whether we, the fans, agree with him is another matter. I don't subscribe to the theory he was hoarding songs for a solo career. I don't even think he had thoughts of a solo career beyond Oasis, just an album or two on the side between records. The fact that Record Machine, Come On Outside / It's Alright and god knows how many others weren't recorded during this period doesn't mean he never intended for Liam to sing them on a future Oasis album. He's also said he planned for EOTR, Stranded on the wrong beach, Dream On and..ehm..something else I can't remember (Broken Arrow perhaps?) to be on the next Oasis album had they not split up. He also said that he wrote the lyrics for Setting Sun in 1996. |
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