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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 22, 2016 10:08:07 GMT -5
The best songs from that time all ended up on the album. Bag It Up, The Turning, Waiting for the Rapture, Shock of the Lightning, I'm Outta Time and Falling Down are six ridiculously strong tracks - stronger than any six on DBTT or HC, by far.
It's not Noel's fault that the other guys only contributed shit songs. Sure, he could have used some that later ended up on DGSS, maybe Four Letter Word or Three Ring Circus, but Record Machine instead of one of his own? Except for High Horse Lady (which is fine really) all his songs on DOYS are stronger.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 10:09:07 GMT -5
1. Bag It Up
2. The Turning
3. Waiting For The Rapture
4. The Shock Of The Lightning
5. I'm Outta Time
6. (Get Off Your) High Horse Lady
7. Falling Down
8. To Be Where There's Life
9. Come On Outside (It's Alright)
10. Boy With Blues
11. Record Machine
12. Grapefruit
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 10:12:39 GMT -5
Andy had made a 5-track demo and put the running order of the songs from what he considered the best to worst; TNOR was the last song... Enter Noel, who liked the riff enough to put what Andy considered the worst song of the five on the album. Do we have any more details on this? I'm really interested. I think that The Nature Of Reality, Grapefruit and Millionaire were on it. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 22, 2016 10:20:27 GMT -5
If Andy didn't want it to end up anywhere, why the fuck demo it and let others play on it?
Can't hate it THAT much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 11:22:25 GMT -5
If Andy didn't want it to end up anywhere, why the fuck demo it and let others play on it? Can't hate it THAT much. I said it wrong, I meant that Noel choose the 'worst' demo of the 5 demo tape that Andy brought. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 22, 2016 11:26:34 GMT -5
Noel completely overreacted, and I agree with Rolo . If Noel wanted the vocals, he would have had them. Vocals can be done anywhere. Not like the 70's where the environment of the recording matters in the mixing and mastering. He could have booked any studio between here and the U.K., and once again, music isn't recorded on reels anymore. Even in 2008, there were multiple platforms to share music without losing fidelity during the mixing. Besides, if the guy you have mixing can't incorporate two extra vocals a couple days late, that is to say, hold off on a couple songs prior to mixing, then you have a crap mixer. I think Noel wanted it all to be recorded in Abbey Road, in that mythic room. I mean, they didn't choose that studio randomly. They could have gone anywhere for a cheaper price, as you said. Maybe , maybe Liam even recorded vocals for those songs after that, somewhere else, and Noel refused to add them because the record was being mixed. I mean, anything is possible... That's where the problem came from i think : expansive studio + limited studio time + Noel wanting a DOYS 100% abbey road + Liam not caring much as always. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 12:28:07 GMT -5
source close to Liam
"I was there on one day of the DOYS recording, I overheard Noel stating that "the 2nd half will be horseshit as I intended" and spoke about the nature of reality he said it would be the song to "end this whole sorry affair" he then let out a manic laugh, I didnt think much of it at the time but in hindsight I think there might be something in that, that Noel gallagher man...bit of a bastard"
NME 2010.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 22, 2016 12:29:04 GMT -5
I would suggest that someone should sabotage this thread, but the original post already accomplished that.
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Post by glider on Jan 22, 2016 12:39:47 GMT -5
Noel sabotaged this record, as he confirmed in his Reddit AMA. Andy knew TNOR sucked and it had no place on DOYS. Pretty convenient that Liam never got back in the studio to finish up Come On It's Alright and Record Machine, because he got married.
Where was the Roller also? Pretty sure a couple of tunes from DGSS were already penned around DOYS. Noel jumped at the opportunity to get his solo career rolling.
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 22, 2016 12:42:44 GMT -5
2002
1. Fuckin' in the Bushes
2. Go Let it Out
3. Who Feels Love? [With the live keyboards]
4. Where Did it All Go Wrong? [Demo Version]
5. The Hindu Times [Demo Version - Liam Vox]
6. Gas Panic!
7. Let's All Make Believe
8. Full On [Liam Vox]
9. Stop Crying Your Heart Out [With demo drone]
10. Idlers Dream
11. Roll it Over
The Hindu Times, Go Let it Out, Where Did it All Go Wrong?, and Stop Crying Your Heart Out as singles.
What?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 22, 2016 12:45:18 GMT -5
Noel sabotaged this record, as he confirmed in his Reddit AMA. Andy knew TNOR sucked and it had no place on DOYS. Pretty convenient that Liam never got back in the studio to finish up Come On It's Alright and Record Machine, because he got married. Where was the Roller also? Pretty sure a couple of tunes from DGSS were already penned around DOYS. Noel jumped at the opportunity to get his solo career rolling. The Roller has been around since Heathen Chemistry. They should have recorded it for that album. |
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Post by glider on Jan 22, 2016 12:45:58 GMT -5
Noel sabotaged this record, as he confirmed in his Reddit AMA. Andy knew TNOR sucked and it had no place on DOYS. Pretty convenient that Liam never got back in the studio to finish up Come On It's Alright and Record Machine, because he got married. Where was the Roller also? Pretty sure a couple of tunes from DGSS were already penned around DOYS. Noel jumped at the opportunity to get his solo career rolling. The Roller has been around since Heathen Chemistry. They should have recorded it for that album. I agree. Then again if they hadn't why not put it on DOYS. |
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Post by boneheadsbolero on Jan 22, 2016 13:26:59 GMT -5
This is nothing. Wait till the story of how Noel sabotaged both Beady Eye albums
comes to light. Liam still doesn't know. He's gonna be so pissed when he finds out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 13:57:21 GMT -5
The Roller has been around since Heathen Chemistry. They should have recorded it for that album. I agree. Then again if they hadn't why not put it on DOYS. if my knowledge is correct, four letter word and millionaire were written for DOYS but were left off (Noel made a comment about millionaires lyrics) so again its a wonder why you would reject four letter word but approve NOR. |
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 22, 2016 14:11:34 GMT -5
The Roller is dreadful, it is (would have been) the worst kind of Oasis song. One way or another they cocked up Dig Out Your Soul big time. The trouble is that there never seemed to be anyone who could challenge Noel properly when it came to certain aspects of the recording process. The only one was Liam and that would always end in arguments and fights with both sides digging their heels in. That's how I see it anyway.
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 22, 2016 14:16:21 GMT -5
Personally, I think Noel Gallagher was the best songwriter in Oasis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 14:19:22 GMT -5
Personally, I think Noel Gallagher was the best songwriter in Oasis. I think that everybody on this forum thinks that. |
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Jan 22, 2016 14:23:19 GMT -5
Yeah I've heard Andys Demos were
TNOR
Millionaire
The Beat Goes On
Kill for a Dream
Grapefruit
Four Letter word wasn't around at the time.
They also considered The Morning son. I think Liam mentioned that in the press for DGSS
Evil Eye had been knocking around since DBTT as well. Love that tune but it wouldn't have fitted the sound of the album IMO
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 22, 2016 14:49:26 GMT -5
2002 1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. Who Feels Love? [With the live keyboards] 4. Where Did it All Go Wrong? [Demo Version] 5. The Hindu Times [Demo Version - Liam Vox] 6. Gas Panic! 7. Let's All Make Believe 8. Full On [Liam Vox] 9. Stop Crying Your Heart Out [With demo drone] 10. Idlers Dream 11. Roll it Over The Hindu Times, Go Let it Out, Where Did it All Go Wrong?, and Stop Crying Your Heart Out as singles. What? You sure? I thought the discussion had ended?  live4ever.proboards.com/post/1279740 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 14:50:37 GMT -5
Personally, I think Noel Gallagher was the best songwriter in Oasis. yarp but I honestly think Liam was putting out some great stuff on those last couple of albums, obviously not Noel standard but with Noel seemingly contributing towards melody etc he had some good stuff, Liam tends to write very similiar songs so he doesnt get much of a scope out there though they are either 2 minute rockers or acoustic ballads really. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 22, 2016 14:56:35 GMT -5
Yeah I've heard Andys Demos were TNOR Millionaire The Beat Goes On Kill for a Dream Grapefruit Four Letter word wasn't around at the time. They also considered The Morning son. I think Liam mentioned that in the press for DGSS Evil Eye had been knocking around since DBTT as well. Love that tune but it wouldn't have fitted the sound of the album IMO To be fair, if they were the demos Andy presented to the band only The Nature Of Reality & Grapefruit could have seriously fitted onto the album (personally I think they're the best two anyway). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 15:19:04 GMT -5
The Roller would have made the album worse.
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Post by beentherenow on Jan 22, 2016 15:45:06 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get some peoples fascination with The Roller. I think it's pretty shite
If it was an Oasis tune it'd be in the bottom 10
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 22, 2016 16:14:09 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get some peoples fascination with The Roller. I think it's pretty shite If it was an Oasis tune it'd be in the bottom 10 It was meant to be an Oasis tune from as early as December 2000 when Noel in a Select Magazine interview said Gem had written it as his first tune for the band- Oasis Interviews BlogspotI presume either they never attempted to record it or couldn't get it sounding how they wanted to, either that or it was vetoed as a song most likely by Noel IMO if that was the case. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 22, 2016 16:32:23 GMT -5
FAME AND MONEY sabotaged Noel Gallagher, which by proxy sabotaged DOYS.
In the 90s, Noel worked very hard to get to the ultimate height. In the 2000s mediocrity was acceptable as he had nothing (in his mind) to work further towards; he reached his zenith and he couldn't be arsed if Heathen Chemistry plodded into obscurity, or that DOYS lacked a few killer songs because it at the worst case scenario it was all going to be merely just "good enough", and that's where our perceived notion that Noel is lazy roots from.
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