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Post by joladella on Nov 3, 2015 0:59:04 GMT -5
Not sure about the tweet but he talks about Noel as well as The Smiths in this piece for the MEN re: his Manchester music tours business. A couple of Noel related anecdotes in there that you may have read before, though the Noel not becoming singer has of the Inspirals story a slightly different take from Mr Gill- MEN Craig GillMaybe that's why he deleted it, because it sounded too negative when he maybe just wanted to make a joke. Still would have liked to know what it was about. |
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Post by joladella on Nov 21, 2015 9:23:23 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0373fhmJust listening to this, BBC Introducing in Manchester from last week, Clint Boon standing in for the regular presenters. I think we can be pretty sure that there is absolutely no bad blood between Boon and Noel. First, after about one hour, he says that he is excited about the new Oasis documentary, calls their story a phenomenal one and says that he is one of those being in hope of seeing them reunited one day. Then he plays "Whatever" and afterwards says some more nice things about Noel specifically, I did not really get. Love listening to him speak, but, well, he can be difficult to understand sometimes!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 21, 2015 12:22:36 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0373fhmJust listening to this, BBC Introducing in Manchester from last week, Clint Boon standing in for the regular presenters. I think we can be pretty sure that there is absolutely no bad blood between Boon and Noel. First, after about one hour, he says that he is excited about the new Oasis documentary, calls their story a phenomenal one and says that he is one of those being in hope of seeing them reunited one day. Then he plays "Whatever" and afterwards says some more nice things about Noel specifically, I did not really get. Love listening to him speak, but, well, he can be difficult to understand sometimes! It is one of those accents it helps to grow up around  |
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Post by joladella on Nov 21, 2015 12:34:30 GMT -5
It is one of those accents it helps to grow up around I can imagine! I love listening to it, though, even from before I fell in love with several (Greater) Manchester bands. I've always had a thing for certain British/Irish accents. Music to my ears, even if I sometimes do not have the faintest idea what is being said.  |
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Post by rebus on Nov 22, 2015 5:20:59 GMT -5
Why are people doubting the Glasgow Tuts story?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 22, 2015 8:49:13 GMT -5
Why are people doubting the Glasgow Tuts story? I suppose because Noel has a habit, shall we say, of rewriting his band history to suit rock n' roll mythology. This in itself is no bad thing as it creates great stories and adds to the legend of a band, and he is certainly not the first or last person to do so. The King Tuts story I suppose is doubted because as I said before Alan McGee had personal and/or professional connections to people who were well aware of Oasis, such as Debbie Turner of Sister Lovers and Mark Coyle who at the time had been the live sound engineer for the Creation signed Teenage Fanclub. The fact that Debbie had invited Oasis up to support at a Glasgow show with Mark Coyle doing their sound, with Sister Lovers themselves supporting another Creation (via August Records signed act) 18 Wheeler. Alan McGee then turned up unannounced to get a drink after missing a Glasgow-London flight/surprise Debbie and her band/try and pull his sister Susan's mate depending on what day you ask him  It could all be mere serendipity but as always small things are enough to give some people doubts, especially when it comes to such events that set of huge changes or phenomena  |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 24, 2015 10:20:17 GMT -5
Why are people doubting the Glasgow Tuts story? I suppose because Noel has a habit, shall we say, of rewriting his band history to suit rock n' roll mythology. This in itself is no bad thing as it creates great stories and adds to the legend of a band, and he is certainly not the first or last person to do so. The King Tuts story I suppose is doubted because as I said before Alan McGee had personal and/or professional connections to people who were well aware of Oasis, such as Debbie Turner of Sister Lovers and Mark Coyle who at the time had been the live sound engineer for the Creation signed Teenage Fanclub. The fact that Debbie had invited Oasis up to support at a Glasgow show with Mark Coyle doing their sound, with Sister Lovers themselves supporting another Creation (via August Records signed act) 18 Wheeler. Alan McGee then turned up unannounced to get a drink after missing a Glasgow-London flight/surprise Debbie and her band/try and pull his sister Susan's mate depending on what day you ask him It could all be mere serendipity but as always small things are enough to give some people doubts, especially when it comes to such events that set of huge changes or phenomena When I met Tom Hingley he was in no doubt that Noel had already met McGee on several occasions beforehand. That, and everything you have just said probably confirms the Glasgow story is completely fabricated. A lot of the Oasis back story and indeed the shannanigans during Oasis has clearly been for publicity. I think if we ever really knew the truth then it would put a lot of people off. Don't Believe The Truth |
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Post by justicewall65 on Nov 24, 2015 11:57:16 GMT -5
Another random question from me, but hey, I like knowing these things. Aside, I've always wondered for a while if Noel has ever cleared the air with both The Real People and Inspiral Carpets. Last time I read an interview with The Real People from ages ago, they seemed to imply that there's still some friction over the fact that they were hardly credited with some tunes they contributed to on 'Definitely Maybe'. Alongside that, a lot of their stuff on the Definitely Maybe DVD documentary was edited down to make it look like there was never any sort of quarrels between them and Oasis. what tunes did the Real People contribute to Definitely Maybe? Did Noel borrow a melody or something? |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 24, 2015 12:35:54 GMT -5
Another random question from me, but hey, I like knowing these things. Aside, I've always wondered for a while if Noel has ever cleared the air with both The Real People and Inspiral Carpets. Last time I read an interview with The Real People from ages ago, they seemed to imply that there's still some friction over the fact that they were hardly credited with some tunes they contributed to on 'Definitely Maybe'. Alongside that, a lot of their stuff on the Definitely Maybe DVD documentary was edited down to make it look like there was never any sort of quarrels between them and Oasis. what tunes did the Real People contribute to Definitely Maybe? Did Noel borrow a melody or something? Columbia was supposed to have been a combination of a melody and the "There we are/now here we are" lyrics coming from Anthony Griffiths, with Liam coming up with some other words and Noel providing the rest. As you probably know the credit on the finished product reads (N.Gallagher) Working atm so can't think off the top of my head of any others on DM itself, though of course there are other Oasis songs with similar stories. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 24, 2015 12:38:01 GMT -5
what tunes did the Real People contribute to Definitely Maybe? Did Noel borrow a melody or something? Columbia was supposed to have been a combination of a melody and the "There we are/now here we are" lyrics coming from Anthony Griffiths, with Liam coming up with some other words and Noel providing the rest. As you probably know the credit on the finished product reads (N.Gallagher) Working atm so can;t think off the top of my head of any others on DM itself, though of course there were other songs with similar sotries. Supersonic as well,but... The other songs are Whatever,Rockin' Chair and Don't Go Away which we all know about |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 24, 2015 12:39:40 GMT -5
Columbia was supposed to have been a combination of a melody and the "There we are/now here we are" lyrics coming from Anthony Griffiths, with Liam coming up with some other words and Noel providing the rest. As you probably know the credit on the finished product reads (N.Gallagher) Working atm so can;t think off the top of my head of any others on DM itself, though of course there were other songs with similar sotries. Supersonic as well,but... The other songs are Whatever,Rockin' Chair and Don't Go Away which we all know about Oh how I miss his worldy wise and witty Youtube (and everywhere else) banter Wouldn't be surprised if he claimed Elsa the Rottweiler wrote Supersonic....... |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 24, 2015 12:57:52 GMT -5
Columbia was supposed to have been a combination of a melody and the "There we are/now here we are" lyrics coming from Anthony Griffiths, with Liam coming up with some other words and Noel providing the rest. As you probably know the credit on the finished product reads (N.Gallagher) Working atm so can;t think off the top of my head of any others on DM itself, though of course there were other songs with similar sotries. Supersonic as well,but... The other songs are Whatever,Rockin' Chair and Don't Go Away which we all know about Don't Go Away is an obvious one, yeah. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 24, 2015 13:10:34 GMT -5
according to oasisblues Supersonic as well,but... The other songs are Whatever,Rockin' Chair and Don't Go Away which we all know about Don't Go Away is an obvious one, yeah. Can't see Whatever as a Realies tune though - As given in settlement Neil Innes and David Bowie via All the Young Dudes which both well predate The Real People. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 24, 2015 13:13:36 GMT -5
Don't Go Away is an obvious one, yeah. Can't see Whatever as a Realies tune though - As given in settlement Neil Innes and David Bowie via All the Young Dudes which both well predate The Real People. I think the story was that they showed him the melody to the Neil Innes song on the piano and he later wrote a song based on that |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 24, 2015 13:15:28 GMT -5
Don't Go Away is an obvious one, yeah. Can't see Whatever as a Realies tune though - As given in settlement Neil Innes and David Bowie via All the Young Dudes which both well predate The Real People. There have been several discussions about this subject, and I've personally always thought they might have been a bit bitter and frustrated about the fact that Oasis made it and they...didn't really. I once made a very good post on this which was well thought out and all, but I'm too lazy to go find it and I don't like repeating myself too much. |
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Post by justicewall65 on Nov 24, 2015 16:36:13 GMT -5
Don't Go Away is an obvious one, yeah. Can't see Whatever as a Realies tune though - As given in settlement Neil Innes and David Bowie via All the Young Dudes which both well predate The Real People. why is Don't Go Away obviously derived from the Real People in some way? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 24, 2015 16:39:04 GMT -5
Can't see Whatever as a Realies tune though - As given in settlement Neil Innes and David Bowie via All the Young Dudes which both well predate The Real People. why is Don't Go Away obviously derived from the Real People in some way? Listen to the chorus. |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 25, 2015 6:20:58 GMT -5
It is one of those accents it helps to grow up around I can imagine! I love listening to it, though, even from before I fell in love with several (Greater) Manchester bands. I've always had a thing for certain British/Irish accents. Music to my ears, even if I sometimes do not have the faintest idea what is being said. I understand people from Manchester better than londonders, coz i learnt english with Oasis, listening to Wibbling rivalry especially |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 25, 2015 6:22:36 GMT -5
why is Don't Go Away obviously derived from the Real People in some way? Listen to the chorus. This one is too obvious, cant believe they didnt get credit for it |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 25, 2015 12:35:46 GMT -5
This one is too obvious, cant believe they didnt get credit for it I have a feeling that this may be connected to a settlement reached over an earlier Oasis song (Rockin' Chair) which was supposed to be based on an as yet unheard Real People tune called Growlin' Old. The settlement gave Chris Griffiths a 10% songwriting credit and publishing share, which in itself is unusual, and IIRC although the settlement was confidential it also was supposed to have been a 'full & final' type affair, with Growlin' Old perhaps buried as a release as part of the agreement. If it was a full and final settlement in 1995/96 then this would prevent any further claims by the Griffiths brothers against Noel in relation to songwriting, which would explain why the 1997 released Don't Go Away on BHN was never disputed. Obviously not being privy to the details of the settlement I cannot say for certain, but I suspect that this is not too far from the mark. |
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Post by Rivers on Oct 25, 2019 6:42:58 GMT -5
So many times I've heard about this story of the Don't go away rip-off, but I just listened to this...I don't really get it. So ok, he gets a little bit of lyrics in a 5 min song with complete different melody... Is that enough to get songwriting credits? Can you copyright "Don' go away/Say that you'll stay/Forever and a day"? I don't thing it undermines Noel's genius at all.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 25, 2019 6:59:47 GMT -5
So many times I've heard about this story of the Don't go away rip-off, but I just listened to this...I don't really get it. So ok, he gets a little bit of lyrics in a 5 min song with complete different melody... Is that enough to get songwriting credits? Can you copyright "Don' go away/Say that you'll stay/Forever and a day"? I don't thing it undermines Noel's genius at all. Melody and lyrics is 99% the same on that bit of the chorus which is the main hook of the song, so yeah, it's a ripp off |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 25, 2019 7:06:23 GMT -5
So many times I've heard about this story of the Don't go away rip-off, but I just listened to this...I don't really get it. So ok, he gets a little bit of lyrics in a 5 min song with complete different melody... Is that enough to get songwriting credits? Can you copyright "Don' go away/Say that you'll stay/Forever and a day"? I don't thing it undermines Noel's genius at all.I don't think anyone has suggested that. Just that he's been a bit naughty at times. |
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Post by bt95 on Oct 25, 2019 8:11:48 GMT -5
So many times I've heard about this story of the Don't go away rip-off, but I just listened to this...I don't really get it. So ok, he gets a little bit of lyrics in a 5 min song with complete different melody... Is that enough to get songwriting credits? Can you copyright "Don' go away/Say that you'll stay/Forever and a day"? I don't thing it undermines Noel's genius at all. I am staunchly behind anyone's ability to copy another artist if they do it right. And I don't mind it in this instance either. But it's a direct rip. |
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Post by vespa on Oct 25, 2019 10:31:03 GMT -5
They’ve took some minor bits from the real people over time and the influence early on was there but make no mistake there’s too much credit goes there way to the point you think they wrote def maybe , they just helped guide the sound nothing else
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