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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2015 9:31:49 GMT -5
Yeah but he released If I Had A Gun with the last album and that tanked. While WAL and TDOYAM, which are slightly less safe, did pretty well.
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Post by asimarx on Jan 27, 2015 9:37:32 GMT -5
Folks, 10" vinyl: 2 b-sides Sorry, but where exactly is this mentioned? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2015 9:37:49 GMT -5
Yeah but he released If I Had A Gun with the last album and that tanked. While WAL and TDOYAM, which are slightly less safe, did pretty well. It certainly did Bomb. I think Noel assumed it would be some sort of hit, maybe the type of success of WAL. It was going to be the first single off HFB but he changed his mind and wanted to be different thinking if he really needed it, he had a sure fire hit single in If I Had A Gun. Didn't work out that way. WAL was the hit. |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jan 27, 2015 9:46:46 GMT -5
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 27, 2015 9:46:59 GMT -5
Yeah but he released If I Had A Gun with the last album and that tanked. While WAL and TDOYAM, which are slightly less safe, did pretty well. It certainly did Bomb. I think Noel assumed it would be some sort of hit, maybe the type of success of WAL. It was going to be the first single off HFB but he changed his mind and wanted to be different thinking if he really needed it, he had a sure fire hit single in If I Had A Gun. Didn't work out that way. WAL was the hit. Just noticed you are closing in on 10,000 posts |
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Post by lamboasis on Jan 27, 2015 9:48:07 GMT -5
Folks, 10" vinyl: 2 b-sides Sorry, but where exactly is this mentioned? I was guessing. Anyway if it's like Columbia it will be a 10" vinyl with TDOTL only |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2015 9:48:51 GMT -5
It certainly did Bomb. I think Noel assumed it would be some sort of hit, maybe the type of success of WAL. It was going to be the first single off HFB but he changed his mind and wanted to be different thinking if he really needed it, he had a sure fire hit single in If I Had A Gun. Didn't work out that way. WAL was the hit. Just noticed you are closing in on 10,000 posts Yeah it does appears that way. Not sure what that says about me. Kinda a dubious honor.  |
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 27, 2015 9:53:06 GMT -5
We haven't had 2 'proper' b-sides on a vinyl single since TIOBI in 2005 Nothing proper about The Quiet Ones. That tune is so horrible I'd rather not hearing it. IMHO, of course. I wonder what made Noel change his mind about the third single, but he probably choose the more commercial tune... Just checked and the vinyl of TIOBO only had PMDTW and not TQO. Thinking about it all the 7" singles only ever had one b-side, you had to buy the 12" version back in the day to get the extra track and then the cd version had a fourth track. Meaning that the last oasis vinyl single to feature 2 'proper' b-sides was SCYHO way back in 2002! Jesus fucking christ they got lazy!!! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2015 10:01:52 GMT -5
Nothing proper about The Quiet Ones. That tune is so horrible I'd rather not hearing it. IMHO, of course. I wonder what made Noel change his mind about the third single, but he probably choose the more commercial tune... Just checked and the vinyl of TIOBO only had PMDTW and not TQO. Thinking about it all the 7" singles only ever had one b-side, you had to buy the 12" version back in the day to get the extra track and then the cd version had a fourth track. Meaning that the last oasis vinyl single to feature 2 'proper' b-sides was SCYHO way back in 2002! Jesus fucking christ they got lazy!!! Very lazy. For a band that claimed to have so many songs written, they sure had a problem scrapping together b-sides. Noel and Andy claimed over 40 songs were written around DBTT. Where the hell are they? I have to assume some went to DGSS, HFB and BE. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 27, 2015 10:04:10 GMT -5
There's no need to throw away good songs on bsides anymore, they probably kept them for BE and HFB or for future compilations.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 27, 2015 10:11:04 GMT -5
There's no need to throw away good songs on bsides anymore, they probably kept them for BE and HFB or for future compilations. Well there is really, to reward your loyal fans who religiously buy your singles, both today and over the last two decades |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 27, 2015 11:22:28 GMT -5
There's no need to throw away good songs on bsides anymore, they probably kept them for BE and HFB or for future compilations. Well there is really, to reward your loyal fans who religiously buy your singles, both today and over the last two decades I agree, but Noel doesn't bet on the fan base, coz he knows you'll end up buying the record anyway (most probably). He wants to attract new, younger audience, the kinda audience that stream records. Those dont care about extra tracks, they want the track that's on youtube. Beady Eye did the opposite, putting countless of great extra tracks as bonus and look how that turned out. The fan base was here, mostly, but no new fans. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 27, 2015 11:25:35 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken these were the release dates from Amazon.com: - Revolution Song: Feb 16th, one week before Mighty I's vinyl release - Riverman: Feb 23rd, one week before the album and on the same day of Mighty I vinyl single and now, the HMV Exclusive of The Dying of the Light on Feb 16th as well... It's strange. Why is Riverman available before the album? Is it a single? It doesn't look like it is. And why Revolution Song is being released one week before the Mighty I single drops? Breaking news! Riverman isn't more listed to be available on 23th February. Surprise... www.amazon.com/dp/B00OGJMTFK/ref=dm_ws_tlw_trk1Noel's management decided the Riverman sax was too way out for Radio 2 listeners so opted for a safer Oasis-lite third single. You can't have a fookin sax on a single Noel. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 27, 2015 11:26:50 GMT -5
Just noticed you are closing in on 10,000 posts Yeah it does appears that way. Not sure what that says about me. Kinda a dubious honor. AKA... Get A Life ;-) |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2015 11:42:56 GMT -5
Noel's management decided the Riverman sax was too way out for Radio 2 listeners so opted for a safer Oasis-lite third single. You can't have a fookin sax on a single Noel. Sad, but probably what happened |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2015 12:03:23 GMT -5
Noel's management decided the Riverman sax was too way out for Radio 2 listeners so opted for a safer Oasis-lite third single. You can't have a fookin sax on a single Noel. Sad, but probably what happened A 6 minute single is probably never a good idea. I'm still a believer that the only real single that matters is the one that comes out long before the album. Once it's out, you can cherry pick from their off iTunes. Everything is a single at that point and it's hard to generate real buzz for a particular track. I expect hardly any impact from Noel singles the rest of the album cycle. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2015 12:08:16 GMT -5
Yeah it does appears that way. Not sure what that says about me. Kinda a dubious honor. AKA... Get A Life ;-) |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2015 12:39:30 GMT -5
Sad, but probably what happened A 6 minute single is probably never a good idea. I'm still a believer that the only real single that matters is the one that comes out long before the album. Once it's out, you can cherry pick from their off iTunes. Everything is a single at that point and it's hard to generate real buzz for a particular track. I expect hardly any impact from Noel singles the rest of the album cycle. True, which is a shame, because singles that come out when the album has been released are a good oppertunity for more people to become more aware of the album, and to see there's more to it than ITHOTM. But you're right, once an album is out everything is everywhere on the net. It will prevent people from buying singles, just like an album leak will prevent some people from buying the album |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 27, 2015 12:54:32 GMT -5
I had a feeling we wouldn't be getting Riverman so soon the second TDOTL was announced for the 16th. Oh well A bit relived to be honest. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2015 12:57:18 GMT -5
A 6 minute single is probably never a good idea. I'm still a believer that the only real single that matters is the one that comes out long before the album. Once it's out, you can cherry pick from their off iTunes. Everything is a single at that point and it's hard to generate real buzz for a particular track. I expect hardly any impact from Noel singles the rest of the album cycle. True, which is a shame, because singles that come out when the album has been released are a good oppertunity for more people to become more aware of the album, and to see there's more to it than ITHOTM. But you're right, once an album is out everything is everywhere on the net. It will prevent people from buying singles, just like an album leak will prevent some people from buying the album I remember the good old days (aka....the dark ages). The only places to hear a song or album was: A) Buying an album or single in the shops B) Hearing it on radio C) Seeing it on MTV/VH1/MuchMusic D) Knowing a kid in school who had that album you can't find anywhere There was no Internet when I got into Oasis. When I graduated high school (2000) there was still dial up. Not to mention the Internet was not as developed and user friendly as it is today. When I got to college and got Ethernet, everything changed. I could find anything on Napster (until it died in 2001). It's cool being able to listen to anything in seconds but there was a sort of Innocense and sense of adventure lost in this new musical world. I'll probably never stand in line at a record shop at midnight to get a brand new album. Those times have faded away. Now that excitement only comes via "Leak Day". For the times they are a-changin'.................... |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 27, 2015 13:09:53 GMT -5
Yeah the excitement for BHN, for instance. Now that was a massive day.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2015 13:44:15 GMT -5
I've only bought a cd once or twice in my life. I've downloaded the rest. I used to make these horrible compilation CDs with emo music and such. And then I got an iPod and a proper laptop and then even that was gone.
I can even remember cassettes. But I was a bit too young for that. I can remember I had two though.
The internet took away experiences like that, and screwed the charts and the music industry, but I'm very happy that it exists. When I hear a song but don't know who the artist is or what the title is, I can find out within 2 seconds! Thanks to the internet I have gotten to know so many bands and artists I wouldn't have heard of otherwise. I think it's amazing, that you can find basically anything on the internet.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 27, 2015 13:45:26 GMT -5
True, which is a shame, because singles that come out when the album has been released are a good oppertunity for more people to become more aware of the album, and to see there's more to it than ITHOTM. But you're right, once an album is out everything is everywhere on the net. It will prevent people from buying singles, just like an album leak will prevent some people from buying the album I remember the good old days (aka....the dark ages). The only places to hear a song or album was: A) Buying an album or single in the shops B) Hearing it on radio C) Seeing it on MTV/VH1/MuchMusic D) Knowing a kid in school who had that album you can't find anywhere There was no Internet when I got into Oasis. When I graduated high school (2000) there was still dial up. Not to mention the Internet was not as developed and user friendly as it is today. When I got to college and got Ethernet, everything changed. I could find anything on Napster (until it died in 2001). It's cool being able to listen to anything in seconds but there was a sort of Innocense and sense of adventure lost in this new musical world. I'll probably never stand in line at a record shop at midnight to get a brand new album. Those times have faded away. Now that excitement only comes via "Leak Day". For the times they are a-changin'.................... I totally get what your saying, but arguably 'leak day' is actually more intense as it can happen at any time. Every morning from now until then I will wake up and instantly check my phone for the leak. News is going to start coming thick and fast right about now |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2015 13:47:34 GMT -5
Leak day is entertaining. I've read a lot of the Leak Lounge when HFB was released, and it was entertaining. And it gives me a kick to read other peoples reactions before I hear it myself. I don't know, it just has that something, you know?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2015 13:51:23 GMT -5
Is it time to fire up a Twitter account covering this? Wasn't the last one @nghfbleak?
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