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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 14, 2014 2:06:08 GMT -5
youre obvioulsy not german or argentinian because that was not a boring game...i cant believe even for the non-partisans it was boring?! Really? There was 1 goal in 120 minutes of football and no matter how much the commentators have tried to build it up, Gotze's goal wasn't all THAT good. I disagree with it being a goal 'that deserved to win the world cup' as was said numerous times on the coverage here in England. Again, it was alright, but nothing that took more skill than goals that fly in without much notice week in, week out in the EPL. so without lots of goals it cant be an exciting/entertaining game? thats a pretty bleak view of football. lots of stuff happens in between the goals getting scored. it was an alright goal. yes, in leagues goals get scored like that all the time, but there are 10 matches a week for that to happen in, against all types of mediocre teams. this is the world cup final. not really comparable...
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Post by globe on Jul 14, 2014 2:10:20 GMT -5
Even if that incident with Neuer and Higuain wasn't a pen, how the ref could give is as a free-kick to Germany is beyond me, bizarre.
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Post by Marcos on Jul 14, 2014 2:16:42 GMT -5
It's clearly not a penalty. Neuer hits the ball first and the contact with Higuain is inevitable. It happens! Couldn't be any happier for the germans. They deserved this cup so much. Brazil is very thankfull for that 7-1 match. That will sure teach us a whole f*ckin lot of stuff. Country of football? That's Germany!
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Post by Marcos on Jul 14, 2014 2:21:22 GMT -5
Just a curiosity: Brazil, Italy and Germany waited 24 years for their 4th world cup. Such a cool coincidence.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 14, 2014 6:34:58 GMT -5
Really? There was 1 goal in 120 minutes of football and no matter how much the commentators have tried to build it up, Gotze's goal wasn't all THAT good. I disagree with it being a goal 'that deserved to win the world cup' as was said numerous times on the coverage here in England. Again, it was alright, but nothing that took more skill than goals that fly in without much notice week in, week out in the EPL. so without lots of goals it cant be an exciting/entertaining game? thats a pretty bleak view of football. lots of stuff happens in between the goals getting scored. it was an alright goal. yes, in leagues goals get scored like that all the time, but there are 10 matches a week for that to happen in, against all types of mediocre teams. this is the world cup final. not really comparable... No, there doesn't have to be lots of goals for a match to be considered exciting, I've seen enough football over the years to know that, you're putting words in my mouth there a little bit. I just didn't feel that there was much "stuff [that] happen[ed] in between the goals getting scores" last night that was particularly exciting
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 14, 2014 7:50:17 GMT -5
Look at the pic Eva posted. But it doesn't really matter, it's the same, hitting with thigh or knee on other player face is, at least, dangerous. is it dangerous? Yes, but that's the only way keepers can do to protect their bodies. Imagine if any striker could run over any keeper when he jumps in the air like that Ronaldo versus France without any consecuences to the striker. That could give an awful lot of injuries to keepers. That's what players who hit with the elbow on other face say... Just protecting themselves... Neuer could have done what Barthez did, for example. I posted a pic of a play in which the ball was touched before to explain that it doesn't matter if the tackle or charge is dangerous or excessive. It's all about Neuer mowing Higuaín down with way too much strength. And talking about hitting the ball first or imagining his purpose is a joke, there's nothing of that on the rules. TV commentators agreed it was penalty. At least here.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 14, 2014 8:02:33 GMT -5
Ain't no party like a Kraut rock party!
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 14, 2014 8:06:09 GMT -5
so without lots of goals it cant be an exciting/entertaining game? thats a pretty bleak view of football. lots of stuff happens in between the goals getting scored. it was an alright goal. yes, in leagues goals get scored like that all the time, but there are 10 matches a week for that to happen in, against all types of mediocre teams. this is the world cup final. not really comparable... No, there doesn't have to be lots of goals for a match to be considered exciting, I've seen enough football over the years to know that, you're putting words in my mouth there a little bit. I just didn't feel that there was much "stuff [that] happen[ed] in between the goals getting scores" last night that was particularly exciting didnt mean to put words in your mouth. just misinterpreted your meaning. maybe because i had a vested interested in the outcome i was a little more nervous, which manifested itself into excitement? there was some fantastic defense happening tho...
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 14, 2014 8:11:32 GMT -5
is it dangerous? Yes, but that's the only way keepers can do to protect their bodies. Imagine if any striker could run over any keeper when he jumps in the air like that Ronaldo versus France without any consecuences to the striker. That could give an awful lot of injuries to keepers. That's what players who hit with the elbow on other face say... Just protecting themselves... Neuer could have done what Barthez did, for example. I posted a pic of a play in which the ball was touched before to explain that it doesn't matter if the tackle or charge is dangerous or excessive. It's all about Neuer mowing Higuaín down with way too much strength. And talking about hitting the ball first or imagining his purpose is a joke, there's nothing of that on the rules. TV commentators agreed it was penalty. At least here. the barthez clearance was a very different situation. he didnt have to jump as high or go as fast to get to the ball. you cant get the height neur got with both legs vertical. plus barthez landed directly on top of ronaldo (because of little to no momentum) which is dangerous in itself. refs are allowed some level of interpretation of the rules during a match. the game isnt played exactly by the book at all times... and considering that even refs are arguing this situation at the moment, im not sure its quite as cut and dry as either of us think. which was my initial point to mimmi (i think). that this wasnt just a blatant penalty/sending off...
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 14, 2014 8:21:52 GMT -5
He "had" to? Or he did and chose to jump like that? Again, it's like lifting the foot a lot cos he has to do it to control the ball, or a scissors hit cos it's the only way to hit the ball. It's fault even if the other player is not touched cos it's dangerous. And it's on the game laws.
I know it's just interpretation, my point is that the GK can't do anything he wants to just cos he's inside the box.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 14, 2014 8:36:05 GMT -5
He "had" to? Or he did and chose to jump like that? Again, it's like lifting the foot a lot cos he has to do it to control the ball, or a scissors hit cos it's the only way to hit the ball. It's fault even if the other player is not touched cos it's dangerous. And it's on the game laws. I know it's just interpretation, my point is that the GK can't do anything he wants to just cos he's inside the box.true, but they can get away with alot more than your normal outfield player... its not really like a high foot because hes not lifting his leg for the ball. his leg is only that height because hes allowed to handle the ball. anyway, like i said, if refs cant even agree im not sure any of us are in a position to be sure we're correct. its all just opinion.
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 14, 2014 9:00:22 GMT -5
Referees are pros, they're paid to see that. And he did, that's why he gave the ball to Germany, cos the other option was penalty.
but yeah, this is just like a drinking chat.
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Post by Crazy Joe Davola on Jul 14, 2014 9:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 14, 2014 9:42:58 GMT -5
Referees are pros, they're paid to see that. And he did, that's why he gave the ball to Germany, cos the other option was penalty. but yeah, this is just like a drinking chat. of course dude. part of the reason i love football. spirited debates... he did have one other option of doing nothing at all and just giving the throw in to argentina. which is what i personally think shouldve happened. i definitely dont think it was a germany freekick in... finally seen a good picture of the punch and one thing im relieved about is that he was definitely inside the box when he cleared it.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 14, 2014 9:47:42 GMT -5
is this the official one or just some fella from epsn's team? how does neur win the golden gloves but fail to make the team?! silva ahead of lahm?! hummels at left back?! vidal over kroos?! some strange choices...
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Post by Crazy Joe Davola on Jul 14, 2014 9:50:40 GMT -5
is this the official one or just some fella from epsn's team? how does neur win the golden gloves but fail to make the team?! silva ahead of lahm?! hummels at left back?! vidal over kroos?! some strange choices... i don't know who made the list. God bless.
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Post by UGHF on Jul 14, 2014 9:54:26 GMT -5
Bastian Schweinsteiger I salute you.
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Post by MG on Jul 14, 2014 9:58:44 GMT -5
Always tough on refs to call 50/50s and thats exactly what happened here. A knee to the head is dangerous play no matter what the circumstance and it should result in a free kick regardless if he touched the ball first. If he had of gone up without the knee I can assure you he would of got a free out.
The goal wasn't a wonder goal or anything but definitely a worthy winner, well done Gotze, such a big moment for such a young man.
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Post by MG on Jul 14, 2014 10:19:27 GMT -5
is this the official one or just some fella from epsn's team? how does neur win the golden gloves but fail to make the team?! silva ahead of lahm?! hummels at left back?! vidal over kroos?! some strange choices... That is a pretty poor attempt for whoever drew it up. I personally would have Navas is the team, Lahm was one of the best players of the tournament per usual and Hummels in ahead coz he scored a few goals (saying that Lahm was in midfield a bit). Kross was superb throughout and anytime Schweinsteiger was on the field he was brilliant. My MOTM for the final easily, not playing the first few games cost him a place in a lot of "best of" teams. I like Vidal but he wasn't 100% fit. Mascherano was Argentina's best player imo, Messi winning Golden Ball was a joke, wouldn't even be in my best team. DeVirj off holland was great through as was Blind but like Lahm played a midfield as well. Rodriquez/Robben/Muller no argument about. Hard to leave Shaqiri out and I would have Neymar in there. Always a load of options after a tournament and its good there is a lot, shows that it was a great world cup!
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Post by Manualex on Jul 14, 2014 13:27:09 GMT -5
Was this final boring? If you answer yes the you must watch the one Argentina and Germany played in 1990! You will fall asleep
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Post by eva on Jul 14, 2014 18:45:13 GMT -5
FIFA's best XI:
Neuer; De Vrij, Hümmels, Thiago Silva, Rojo; Kroos, Oscar, Lahm, James Rodríguez; Robben and Müller.
Seems a bit more fair than the one above, but Thiago Silva and Oscar? Seriously??? If you want to pick someone from Brazil you gotta choose Neymar. Garay did a far better job in that position I wouldn't pick Rojo either, even though he had a good tournament, Blind was better overall.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 14, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Was never a penalty. Wasn't a foul.
Goalkeepers are trained to jump that way. All Goalkeepers jump that way. It was a 50/50. Not even debatable.
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Post by MG on Jul 14, 2014 21:08:02 GMT -5
Was never a penalty. Wasn't a foul. Goalkeepers are trained to jump that way. All Goalkeepers jump that way. It was a 50/50. Not even debatable. Surely the fact it's a 50/50 makes it debatable?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 14, 2014 21:30:24 GMT -5
Was never a penalty. Wasn't a foul. Goalkeepers are trained to jump that way. All Goalkeepers jump that way. It was a 50/50. Not even debatable. Surely the fact it's a 50/50 makes it debatable?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No. A 50/50 ball means a play where both players have an equal chance of getting to the ball, and it's likely someone will end up hurt (in theory, the player who holds back and is less committed), it does not imply a foul, or reckless behavior, or debatable call. Likewise, two players jumping for the same ball, and their heads collide, but one playing is significantly more hurt than the other is a 50/50, is not a foul, and happens all the fucking time.....Part of the game.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 14, 2014 21:41:23 GMT -5
Was never a penalty. Wasn't a foul. Goalkeepers are trained to jump that way. All Goalkeepers jump that way. It was a 50/50. Not even debatable. Surely the fact it's a 50/50 makes it debatable?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Just for the sake of making my description above official: "A 50/50 ball signifies a 50/50 chance at getting to the ball. This happens often during the game where a soccer player and an opposing player each have an equal opportunity to get to a loose ball. Most often, 50/50 challenges are won by the player who exerts the most effort to win the ball. The saying often reads that hussle and effort make up for talent. This is frequently the case on the soccer field. The more aggressive and hard working the team the better the chances of success." www.justplaycleats.com/why-setting-goals-in-soccer-is-so-important.htmlAnyone who thinks that was a foul is either blinded by denial, or doesn't understand the sport. It's not even remotely controversial.
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